I am here to ask utopianfuture release the 48000 Nxt I gave him for awarding the best Nxt client (that should supports windows too) until April 15th.
Perhaps he can open a poll for selecting the best one inquiring the tech board to assist in making the decision.
I am going to transfer the bounty to the technical or the infrastructure committee and they will decide how to use the reward. |
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Hi Guys, on the original post it had something about doing something to help NEM. I posted and PM'd OP about hosting a NEM Node and got a confirmation that would be intouch a little closer to launch. However do not see myself on the stakelist?
I PM'd utopianfuture but I know he will be busy so posting here if anyone else can pick it up.
Thanks.
Are you in the registration thread ? if so where is your post ? |
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So of the people on the waiting list, what kind of people will most likely get in? Considering what they can bring to the table. And will they have to provide solid proof that they are who they say they are?
Maybe Utopianfuture should recruit 100 good people or so.
it take us long time to wait with no new information and we do not know whether we were take as a backup investor ，we need to know the truth here. I would recommend inviting Sr. members of this forum to participate with a share of NEM. There is no advantage to allowing the newbie "this coin great" members who are most likely sockpuppets anyway. +1 +100 will they get a free stake? I think that their donation/ fees should be at least higher than the last fee (0.075BTC or 750NXT) sent in for stakeholders. That's a clever interesting idea. What say you dev?  I like the auction idea and we could probably do so to the public for a part of open slots. Qualified people in the waiting list should be offered a stake at a fixed price though. |
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The waiting list ends here. Thanks for your interest.
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So of the people on the waiting list, what kind of people will most likely get in? Considering what they can bring to the table. And will they have to provide solid proof that they are who they say they are?
Maybe Utopianfuture should recruit 100 good people or so.
It depends on how many open slot we have but generally open slots would be available to the waiting list in the first come-first serve basis as long as you are not a sock-puppet. |
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I am going to close the waiting list by the end of today. The waiting list has been open long enough and there are already more than 300 account name putting there to fill in any open slots we have.
After the closing of the waiting list, the NEM fund raising is considered officially over as NEM stakeholder list is now closed to newcomers.
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A NEM stakeholder to sell, pm with a offer.
So you're selling a stakeholder ? slave trader ? |
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TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid... I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see. At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt. @ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3 Staropramen  you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so? Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin. because I 've watched the entire registration phase . I've watched the refunding discussion . those are only small fish have been caught there. What about the deposit at the beginning about dgex ... BTER ... vircurex that the people are but they were smart , the can not catch you . Or the people without which they had to pay at the beginning of what I have just told you , the veteran member all have multiple accounts ! But me and that it's just what bothers me a Coin adorns itself as fair. NEM is not fair, but it can be good! And that is the reason why I follow NEM . NEM can be something big without it must adorn themselves with fairly. You know how people will talk about it later and take the FAIR apart. I have my 2 stakes but am only later joined because I 've been thinking if I want it at all. I also did not Germany Coin chosen even if there is the FREE , I think it sucks. I opt only for what I think it is useful. I take nothing free I 'll take it consciously . I still did not see anything other than you are saying it is possible. It was possible to invest 2 BTC in Nxt and got 100 million Nxt from original distribution. It was possible to buy 1 million Bitcoin at some point too. I knew about Bitcoin in 2010 when I did a research about different form of currency. I had quite a big amount of saving back then too. By your logic, I would be a Bitcoin multi-millionaire by now. It was possible is different from what was actually being done. Maybe you want to put some more thought on this distinction before making any speculation. The debate about fairness is such meaningless discussion that I don't intend to enter ever. What should be discussed are developers, innovations, and community. The spread of 3000 stakeholders first of all is about to build a strong and big community. We would be successful if we manage to do that. |
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TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid... I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see. At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt. @ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3 Staropramen you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so? Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin. |
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TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300
Since you have so much to say about NEM distribution. I have a suggestion for you about Nxt distribution. Correct Nxt wiki. It said Nxt has 73 founders which is totally bullshit. There was 73 accounts sending money to BCnext. Some people sent multiple times. Nxt original founders was probably less than 20 people. |
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Is this being given away? i saw a thread where people were requesting it
There is a waiting list and we are likely to have around 200 slots or more for the waiting list. It won't be free though. The donation/ fee should be at least higher than the last fee (0.075btc) sent in for stakeholders. |
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Client have to be easily accessible, meaning that general people could adopt and use it. Notebooks and desktop computers aint nowadays even used in every household, i know many folks who just mainly use their tablets and smartphones. I dont know about rest of the world, but in Finland banks have very sophisticated clients/internetbanks and with all the NFC and other mobile payments systems, competition is fierce.
Certainly NEM have to be better than those systems of we want to create complete currency system/finance platform.
We definitely shouldn't forget about smartphone users here. It's a vast and growing market. +1000 I think a smart device wallet should be THE focus of NEM. Apps are the way all computers are moving. The main stream app stores started with IOS and then Android, but even now the big players are in it. Windows now has a app store, Mac has an App store, even Ubuntu has an app store! And for smart devices, app stores are basically the only choice, and yes, it of course needs to be one click. Whatever the interface, the guy from Finland makes great points. I'll be fair, I spend a lot of time on my desktop, but people like me (and probably you are dinosaurs in a way). I am a professor in another high tech country, and basically all of my students use their cell phones as their primary computing device. There is no going back to the desktop after this. The focus of the NEM client should 100% be mobile. We need to launch with a great android app, and hopefully an IOS one too. If not an IOS app, than a portal that can be accessed via IOS. Yes, I know this is asking a lot. It is also the way towards success. Mobile app per se is not a problem. The big question is what kind of functionality should be expected in a mobile application. Our desktop client is likely to have a big range of functionality and while making a mobile app for a simple send/ receive NEM and messages is not difficult; mobile interface would probably not be suitable for complex interaction. So best strategy here is to make a full-feature desktop client separately from mobile applications. The questions here are that what kind of functionality do you expect for a mobile application ? send/ receive NEM; send/ receive messages what else ? |
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I was advised by my cousin that told me how to get signed up for this NEM currency that I should go online and I should go on this board and that I should post in this thread if I wanted to keep my place in line for this IPO or else someone would steal it from me. Why would this happen?
This is not an IPO. You are expected to contribute so you might not be suitable if you are new to the crypto scene. I do mean every stakeholders are expected to contribute in building NEM. It does not necessarily mean you need to contribute something right now since you could help NEM in the future by running nodes, spreading the words etc. The key word is that stakeholders are expected to contribute at some point. If you think of it as an IPO and you are an investor, then NEM is not for you at this phase. In short, stakeholders = contributors. Investors = someone putting money in and expect others to do the works, coding, promoting etc. This should be made clear. I'm still a bit confused by this statement! What should i do exactly to Contribute in NEM? Very good question. What's the consequence for "not contributing?" And who determines what a contribution is and how it is scored? *EDIT* Cleared a bit in above post. It doesn't make sense to me. For example, I got my stake for advertising for nem on another forum. Others had to pay for theirs. Are you now saying the folks that had to pay also have to work for it? i wouldnt see that as fair.. some people will help. others wont.. just have to live with that. i cant really do anything other then donate when i get my coins.. if you disallow someone on the basis that they cannot contribute code, marketing ect ect you could be turning away some of your biggest doners.. and also it would look very very bad... no envy movement. would the less skilled not envy the skilled in this situation...? all you can do is prevent sock puppets! you should focus on that and not what the person has to bring to the table. you have thousands. if nem is good on launch i think you will see a huge amount of devs migrate to nem instead..... I think you should read the other following clarifying posts before reply. Participation is stressed as a principle as opposed to investment. There is no paying but only sending in fee/ donation. There is no paying because it was not an IPO. Aside from the ideological reason of what NEM is and should be, there is a legal reason as well. I don't want NEM to be considered as a security which NEM would pretty much is if there is an IPO and buying shares/ stakes during the fundraising. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_and_Exchange_Commission_v._W._J._Howey_Co. (the link should include the dot at the end of the sentence) |
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Is Etherium really as revolutionary as this guy makes it out to be ? Can some of the more knowledgeable posters please enlighten me on how they are so much better than both NXT & NEM potentially ( since Etherium is yet to be released)
I think if Ethereum is really what it promises, it is that big of a deal. The way I see it is like this. In the short term, it doesn't matter. In the short term from a functionality perspective, they will all have the same functions. The lead developer of Ethereum mentioned this in an interview recently. Both will have multi-sig functions and asset exchanges and other key aspects. Things that bitcoin simply can't do because its code is not designed for it. So in this aspect, NXT has somewhat of a 1st mover bump. But.... Ethereum is designed basically to do anything and everything in the future, most of which hasn't been designed yet, or for that matter even thought of yet. So, it is very possible that in 5 years, NXT will find itself in the "Bitcoin" situation of not being able to meet the needs of a new market. A platform that was revolutionary and great at the time, but eventually limited for what it needs to do. And then again.... maybe it won't. Maybe it will prove very versatile and adaptable. But I see a very long "blue-ray vs HD DVD" battle coming up between "Ethereum vs Ripple vs NXT" with honorable mention of NEM. (and then trailing after that counterparty and bitshares) Ethereum and NEM are late to the game, but both have advantages that if leveraged can really be a big factor. Ripple and NXT are here now, both with advantages and disadvantages that makes them very polarized and hated/loved in the community. It all depends on how bad their decisions are and how much NEM can monopolize their failings. On top of that, NXT has already quasi-set a framework for NEM to follow. This is not a bitcoin vs litecoin type of battle. It is going to be much closer than that. One things for sure, NEM has the chance to be the people's 2.0 platform, but it will not be easy and we will really need to work as a community to make it happen. PS. You asked for "knowledgeable" and well...... that probably isn't me, I am a newbie, but I thought I would give it a go. hahaha Ethereum : impractical idea - no practical use cases Ripple: outdated model - limited appeal Mastercoin+ Counterparty: unsuitable foundation - limited functionality Invictus Bitshare : fragmented products, lack a correct vision Exo: dubious fundamental Bitcoin: still great but the old King with new problems popping up everyday NXT: XXXXXX NEM: the 2015 King - best developers- best innovation - best vision - best community Disclaimer: comments are with guaranteed objectivity as long as you understand there is no objectivity in forum writing. It is supposed to be an exaggerated joke that can hold a certain percentage of truth. Disregard the troll but the key point is that I and NEM has no inferior complex toward NXT, Ethererum, Bitshare etc. |
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Is Etherium really as revolutionary as this guy makes it out to be ? Can some of the more knowledgeable posters please enlighten me on how they are so much better than both NXT & NEM potentially ( since Etherium is yet to be released)
I think if Ethereum is really what it promises, it is that big of a deal. The way I see it is like this. In the short term, it doesn't matter. In the short term from a functionality perspective, they will all have the same functions. The lead developer of Ethereum mentioned this in an interview recently. Both will have multi-sig functions and asset exchanges and other key aspects. Things that bitcoin simply can't do because its code is not designed for it. So in this aspect, NXT has somewhat of a 1st mover bump. But.... Ethereum is designed basically to do anything and everything in the future, most of which hasn't been designed yet, or for that matter even thought of yet. So, it is very possible that in 5 years, NXT will find itself in the "Bitcoin" situation of not being able to meet the needs of a new market. A platform that was revolutionary and great at the time, but eventually limited for what it needs to do. And then again.... maybe it won't. Maybe it will prove very versatile and adaptable. But I see a very long "blue-ray vs HD DVD" battle coming up between "Ethereum vs Ripple vs NXT" with honorable mention of NEM. (and then trailing after that counterparty and bitshares) Ethereum and NEM are late to the game, but both have advantages that if leveraged can really be a big factor. Ripple and NXT are here now, both with advantages and disadvantages that makes them very polarized and hated/loved in the community. It all depends on how bad their decisions are and how much NEM can monopolize their failings. On top of that, NXT has already quasi-set a framework for NEM to follow. This is not a bitcoin vs litecoin type of battle. It is going to be much closer than that. One things for sure, NEM has the chance to be the people's 2.0 platform, but it will not be easy and we will really need to work as a community to make it happen. PS. You asked for "knowledgeable" and well...... that probably isn't me, I am a newbie, but I thought I would give it a go. hahaha Ethereum : impractical idea - no practical use cases Ripple: outdated model - limited appeal Mastercoin+ Counterparty: unsuitable foundation - limited functionality Invictus Bitshare : fragmented products, lack a correct vision Exo: dubious fundamental Bitcoin: still great but the old King with new problems popping up everyday NXT: XXXXXX NEM: the 2015 King - best developers- best innovation - best vision - best community Disclaimer: comments are with guaranteed objectivity as long as you understand there is no objectivity in forum writing. |
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I don't think that is the same as saying someone is not suitable but I guess that's up for interpretation. I do mean every stakeholders are expected to contribute in building NEM. It does not necessarily mean you need to contribute something right now since you could help NEM in the future by running nodes, spreading the words etc. The key word is that stakeholders are expected to contribute at some point. If you think of it as an IPO and you are an investor, then NEM is not for you at this phase.
In short, stakeholders = contributors. Investors = someone putting money in and expect others to do the works, coding, promoting etc. This should be made clear.
Could clarify this? 1. What do you expect? 2. When do you expect this? 3. How are you going to enforce stakeholders to contribute? 1. Pretty much anything that helps NEM. e.g. - running a node
- spreading the word
- joining the swarm team
- discussing ideas in the forum
- ...
simply stuff you do when your excited about something. 2. I guess whenever you have time and feel like it. Many people are discussing things and sharing ideas already. 3. Don't think it will be enforced. It's just very much encouraged. I don't get why this is causing such a fuzz.Okay, then we are clear on those points (if UtopianFuture (NEM) agrees) This is causing "a fuzz" for me, because it gets emphasized again and again, so I had to ask. I think Pat are pretty much on the point. In a way, NEM structure and fundraising is uniquely different from all other so call IPO so it is good that people are worked up and ask questions since that is opportunity to clear all the muddied issues. For number 3, there is no practical enforcement. In my interpretation, participation is not restricted to the past or the present. It could be some type of participation in the future. So unless the community has a different interpretation of participation and get really warmed up to that idea and and cook up a practical way to enforce it, things will stay the way they have been so far. |
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I find it impertinent first to attract the people to get great attention, and now that NEM seems to be very popular to tell people that they should participate, and that newcomers in the cryptoscene are not suitable!
Sorry for this harsh words, but that's my opinion, and I think I'm not the only one!
Anyway, I stand behind NEM, and will do everything to support this project!
+100000 Yeah. Telling people that are part of a movement they should participate - that's outrageous Who said newcomvers are not suitable ? Please always quote the post you're refering to. Sometimes it feels people are just making stuff up. He did not make this up, UP said that a couple of pages back. There is nothing wrong for a call of participation, but suggesting a stakeholder he might not be suitable is not cool. Everyone was welcome to be a stakeholder, its NEMs most attractive draw. I understand UP has to deal with a ton of crap and any one can loss their cool once in a while and I hope its just that. There is no difference between newcomers and veterans. I would welcome both as always. There is a difference between participants and investors. If you are an investor and looks for an investment, NEM is not for you at this phase. Investors are welcomed when all NEM are distributed and trading starts. Additionally for a similar reason, there was no NEM IPO but rather "a call for participation". For all other fundraising, you send in a certain amount of money and you get an equivalent of coins/ shares etc. the more money you send in, the more coin you will get and that's how an IPO looks likes as you buy the shares in the public offering. There was no NEM IPO in that sense. In NEM fundraising, the fee/ donation is more like to establish the eligibility to participate. Stakeholders are participants not investors. There is a certain subtlety in my wording and there is a good reason for that. I hope everyone understand and support NEM. |
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I find it impertinent first to attract the people to get great attention, and now that NEM seems to be very popular to tell people that they should participate, and that newcomers in the cryptoscene are not suitable!
Sorry for this harsh words, but that's my opinion, and I think I'm not the only one!
Anyway, I stand behind NEM, and will do everything to support this project!
There is a consequence (legal) to use the term IPO and consider NEM as an investment. It is not correct as well because of the way NEM is conceptualized and NEM is a decentralized entity. The term that I has been using so far is "a call for participation"and that means all stakeholders should contribute to build NEM network and NEM community. This idea was there since the beginning but it might not get the attention so I stressed it again from times to times. To the question of what to contribute. It is entirely up to you. Since NEM is decentralized, no one has any formal authority over others. If you are a developer and want to work on NEM codes with other core developers then we would be very happy to have you. But it is not necessary and you are welcome to contribute in a simple, small and individualistic way. It is perfectly fine as long as you don't consider yourself an investor and expect others to produce certain results. |
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There are many merits and failings of both brain wallets and desktop wallets. To be honest, I think it's just a matter of personal preference...
It's an interesting discussion, but I think it's pretty much a finality that NEM will be using a desktop wallet system. A poll on the forum a while back, plus a general browse on forums, shows that desktop wallets are preferred by the vast majority of people.
Perhaps the fact that this discussion is happening indicates that a new wallet system is needed, a hybrid of brain and desktop wallets. Perhaps something for the NEM developers to think about in the future?
I'm not one for online wallets to be honest. In fact i'm not one for anything "online" based as i feel i have far less control over the security of whatever it is in question (Whether that be software or, in this case, currency) A hybrid would be ideal. This to me was the biggest downfall of NXT as online storage has more cons than pro's. Offspring for Nxt (Win/Mac/Linux) supports local wallets, I believe: https://github.com/incentivetoken/offspringTrue. You can save your coins on your PC with offspring. At its core, NXT is using a brain wallet. I'm not sure how you can save coins to your PC, unless you are referring to backing up the pass-phrase? Even so, it seems like they could still be unlocked by the network. Or am I missing something? You know BTC is a brain wallet too right? The wallet of the QT is just a clientside implemention... The more you know  I am not the tech guy but I think you are mistaken. Private-public key design is different from brain wallet design. Why do you think that? With Bitcoin you can generate a private key offline without compromising the security (no need 1 out transaction to secure the account as in the case of NXT) Alright, it is not my intention to evaluate the security strength of different design. However, it is well-established that brain wallet as the term commonly used is not Bitcoin private-public key design. https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/3840286http://bitscan.com/bitnews/item/the-pros-and-cons-of-brainwallets |
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I was advised by my cousin that told me how to get signed up for this NEM currency that I should go online and I should go on this board and that I should post in this thread if I wanted to keep my place in line for this IPO or else someone would steal it from me. Why would this happen?
This is not an IPO. You are expected to contribute so you might not be suitable if you are new to the crypto scene. I do mean every stakeholders are expected to contribute in building NEM. It does not necessarily mean you need to contribute something right now since you could help NEM in the future by running nodes, spreading the words etc. The key word is that stakeholders are expected to contribute at some point. If you think of it as an IPO and you are an investor, then NEM is not for you at this phase. In short, stakeholders = contributors. Investors = someone putting money in and expect others to do the works, coding, promoting etc. This should be made clear. |
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