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1401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / [ANN] NEM : 4 billions coins - (part 1, this thread is no longer used) on: January 19, 2014, 03:09:00 AM
Following this announcement https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4836183#msg4836183, the registration thread has moved here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.0

NEM is the New Economy Movement

A groundbreaking crypto-currency that gives control of their economy back to the people and establishes them as sovereigns over their own destiny.  A currency is an expression of a political ideology and social attitude.  Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency.  We are more than a cryptocurrency, we are a New Economy Movement.

NEM :: Descendant of Nxt  -  NEM - New Economy Movement


Completely Fair Distribution - Equal Shares for ALL
No arbitrary distribution. Decentralized. The most egalitarian coin. Show your love to NEM.

NEM - development team

Opticalcarrier is an experienced distributed network technician with deep knowledge of the crypocurrency world. He is involved with NXT since the beginning and is now in command of a major part of NXT node infrastructures. He will take the lead role on building the NEM network infrastructure. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165191

Jaguar is a highly experienced programmer; He shared the winning bounty for making JAVA signing codes for NXT; He has also been contributing important insights to the NXT source code flaw finding efforts. Jaguar will be responsible for NEM's technical direction. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=183319

Thies is relative newcomer to this forum but he is experienced in Java, large system architectures and other different technologies driving OSGI enterprise, JEE6, Integration Bus technology. He will work with Opticalcarrier and Jaguar on technical aspects of NEM. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=189273

UtopianFuture will work as NEM organizer/ promoter. He will monitor overall progress of NEM project and ensure NEM's core concepts of fairness and the egalitarian principle are implemented. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182582  

A note on organization:

NEM will follow the principle of fluid organization. We believe the NEM's core principles of fairness and equality will attract many other talented developers and helpers. So while all of us are committed to NEM, we would welcome others developers/ helpers to join us and make NEM a success.

NEM discussion thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0
NEM forum https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewforum.php?f=58&sid=f9b9689593f761096779bfca849bcde6
NEM reddit page http://www.reddit.com/r/nem/
NEM bounties : see in the discussion thread or in forum
NEM ongoing stakeholder list at end of page 85 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0; huge file 1379 stakeholders at the end of page 85.

HOW - TO

The fundraising is especially designed to promote fairness and egalitarianism. This is the first funding scheme of this type ever and we believe it is revolutionary in its effort to bring egalitarianism to the crypto industry.

If you do not have a Bitcointalk account yet, you need to create one to reserve a stake spot. Do not lose the account password, because you will need to access the account later to claim your share.

In the first 20 pages, stake spots are reserved only by showing "interest". After page 20, a fee has been introduced for late adopters. People who join after page 20 will still be distributed an equal share of NEM but they have to pay a fee to join in. Then after every 10 pages, the fee will be adjusted as a multiple of the initial fee. Another way to reserve a stake spot is to promote NEM to the outside community. Condition of promotion for a stake spot will be revised every 10 pages by the development team. We would greatly encourage you to spread NEM's idea to mainstream people outside the cryto-community even when you have already reserved a stake spot.

After we reach a critical mass, we will launch the NEM genesis block, (we plan not to have more than 4000 accounts in total, see FAQ below). A total of 4 billion NEM will be distributed equally to all adopters. That means every stakeholder will have an equal and fair share of NEM when NEM blockchain officially starts. Then you can sell- buy NEM freely and let the market forces determine the price.

One Bitcointalk account is entitled one stake spot. If you send more than the required amount at one time or multiple times, we will consider it a donation to NEM.  


History of the fund raising :

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First 20 pages   : free to join in
pages 21-30     : fee = 0.001 btc or  10nxt
pages 31-40     : fee= 0.002 btc or 20 nxt ;
pages 41-50     : fee= 0.004 btc or 40 nxt
page 51-60       : fee= 0.008btc or 80nxt
page 61-70       : fee=0.016btc or 160nxt
page 71-80       :fee=0.0025 or 250nxt
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How to join after page 80. Two ways

1. Pay a fee to join in
    
    Send 300 NXT to the address      14343293611098709683
    Send 0.03 BTC to the address    1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ

    Counter sockpuppet measure: Sending address could be checked and if there were already two payments made to NEM's addresses before, then the third payment would be considered a donation. This measure comes into effect at page 81 and does not apply retroactively. So DO NOT SEND the fee to NEM from an exchange, you would need to withdraw to your account first. Thanks for your understanding.  
 
    After you send the fee, include the transaction hash in your reply post in this thread, to confirm your stake reservation.
    Donation is welcome but not necessary

2. Promote NEM to receive a stake pot without fee

+ Link this thread to any public forums or social media sites such as twoplustwo and Reddit ; Facebook ; Twitter; tennis, sport, fitness, Flickr, Pininterest etc. anywhere with decent traffic so that people can hear about NEM  ; or makes a comment in any crypto related articles so the readers know about NEM. You have to show proof of your work in your reply post in this thread, then you have reserved a stake spot.  Please be considerate when you promote NEM to the outside community.

+ Make a logo, currency symbol for NEM and post in your reply thread, then you have reserved for a stake spot and you can also get a development stake spot. See bounties for more information.

+ Make a fun meme for NEM and post in your reply thread, then you have reserved for a stake spot. This condition temporarily stops since we had quite a few memes in the last 10 pages. Could make a comback later.

+ Translate this thread to any other language and post it to one of that language's community, then you have reserved for a stake spot.

+ Make a video for NEM, then you have reserved for a stake spot.

The fee to join in will be 350 NXT or 0.035BTC after page 90. The fee will be increased by 50NXT or 0.005BTC after every 10 pages until the fundraising is over.


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Integrity guaranteed. NXT, BTC sent to this project won't be touched until an official date for the genesis block is announced. This project is serious and will go forward. The money collected here will be dedicated 100% to NEM developers to make the genesis block and other supporting apps. It all goes to make NEM a feasible project.

If you want to use escrow, feel free to ask Anon136 to hold your money until an official date for launching the genesis is announced. Show proof that he holds your fund, then you reserve a stake spot.  

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NEM is likely to be a fork of Nxt code. I love NXT and I admire the brilliance and vision of NXT inventor BCNext. His idea of a decentralized world is beautiful and in that world we should have more forks of his work such as NEM.

NEM as a fork of NXT could have following features

NEM 100% Proof-of-Stake (PoS) currency.  Coins are earned solely by charging transaction fees.  Unlike other currencies with PoS mining, NEM's PoS mining does not cause monetary inflation.  The total amount of NEM in circulation is 4 billion.  NEM is resistant to +90% attacks via its transparent mining algorithm.

NEM improves different features of Bitcoin, removes some disadvantages (e.g. bloated blockchain) and resolves a big environmental issue.  Time between blocks is one minute.  This increases the rate of orphaned blocks, but makes it more convenient for the users.

NEM doesn’t use so-called “scripts” aka predicates.  This simplifies and accelerates transaction processing. Advanced features like multisig will be created on top of the core as 3rd party services.

NEM is routable through Tor and I2P anonymous networks.

Some improvement over NXT could be possible:

Block Chain stored in database

Secure Wallet

Bitcoin like Addresses

Multi Precision arithmetic

NEM as a fork of NXT could have following features

- Decentralized Alias System / DNS - Register names and assign them to URIs.  URIs can be anything from web addresses to NEX account numbers.  These aliases will be tradeable in the near future.

- DDoS Protection

- Decentralized Asset Exchange / Colored Coins - This allows gateways to issue assets on the NEX network.  These assets can include cryptocurrencies (BTC, LTC, etc), fiat currencies (USD, EUR, RMB, etc), stocks and other assets.

- Transparent Mining - Transactions are encrypted.  Only PoS block generator can decrypt transactions.

- Arbitrary Messaging

- Instant Transactions

- Decentralized Marketplace / Auction - Buy or sell goods/services in a distributed manner.  All listings are broadcast to all nodes on the network in P2P fashion.

- Distributed Storage

- Multi-signatures

- Blockchain Shrinking

- Two-phase Payments

- Voting System

- Reputation System

- Decentralized Mixing Service

- Distributed Computing

- Smart Contracts

- Hardware Wallets

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NEM needs you to spread the word.
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Codes from "opensource" or "decompiled" version of NXT are available
Initial NEM codes can be found here https://github.com/NxtEM/nem

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In the future:

If you can run a NEM node, it will help us stabilize and secure the network.  If you have invested in NEM, it is beneficial to you to run a VPS to help to secure the NEM network.  Hallmarking your node helps the network, but is not absolutely necessary
How-to directions on running a hallmarked VPS NEM node
How-to run NEM on your Raspberry Pi

Security Tips

NEM videos : upcoming
NXT videos go to NXT thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.0

Join in if you want to be a part of NEW ECONOMY MOVEMENT. 4 billion coins will be issued. That's right there will be 4 billion of NEM instead of 1 billion. We thought NXT is like gold which can be used in valuable transactions while NEM is like silver and can be used everyday.

Disclaimer:

- While we are committed to the idea of " Completely Fair Distribution - Equal Shares for ALL "; the fund raising terms are subject to changes upon the discretion of the development team.
- There is no refund. Nothing comes out of NEM's receiving addresses until the genesis block is launched. We are committed to move the project forward. However, in the unlikely event that the project disintegrates and no one picks it up, the remaining development fund will be sent to a charity of the community's choice.  
- No contractual promise is made to anyone.
- Be patient

FAQ:

1. How many shares of NEM would I get ?

There is no specific number yet. Our current formula is number of NEM per stake spot = 4 billion/ (total account stake + development stake). At the moment we are aiming for roughly 3-4000 accounts in which 5% is development stake, but it could be more, could be less depending on the fund raising.

2. What is the difference between regular stake and development stake ?

No difference except that development stakes are reserved for NEM developers/ helpers and they can use their regular accounts for these stakes.

3. I am an investor. Can I give you 50 BTC to get a bigger stake in NEM ?

NO - NEM's egalitarian principle means no single stakeholder should receive much more NEM than another stake holder regardless of how rich he is

4. How could you prevent multiple buy-ins ?

In short - We can't. Multiple buy-in will be possible with multiple accounts. We also want you to have the ability to buy a NEM stake for your loved ones so they could all join the movement. However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered.

Detail explanations are here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg4661493#msg4661493
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg4671768#msg4671768

5. I contribute to NEM development so much more than some others. Why don't I have more (development) stakes than him/ her ?

Initially I would make decisions on allocation of development stakes with input from the development team and the community. So this blame falls on me. I will try my best to follow NEM's principle of fairness and equality but mistakes can sometimes happen and some people might be unhappy. On the other hand, NEM is also NO ENVY MOVEMENT. Volunteerism is greatly appreciated. it should be kept in mind that NEM-ers do not envy the rich; NEM-ers do not envy the talented; NEM-ers do not envy the beautiful because we all are beautiful people Smiley

6. Can you compare NEM to NXT, Mastercoin, CounterParty Protocol and Ethereum ?

A brief comparison to NXT is made here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg4675997#msg4675997. To compare with others, in short NEM is the first crypto-coin that no wealthy person or early adopters can obtain a significant percentage of by using money to buy-in or by using a huge mining rig. That to me symbolizes a great sense of fairness and egalitarianism. There will also no one with many  NEM available for "dumping" when it starts on an exchange. That means there will be a significant financial upsides to NEM. On the technological front, NEM would have its own blockchain and features developed by the development team.
1402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt full feature clients - progress tracking thread on: January 19, 2014, 02:42:59 AM
I sent salsacz 100K for him and you UtopianFuture to supply your attempts pushing the PR.

And here I am to give you ~48K more to use for awarding the best opensource client for windows (on which I ll need a short report)
please provide the Nxt account to send you the 48K fund!

Hey you can send it to my donor acc 3041433146235555849. Since this is a private donor's fund, it is going to the best opensource client regardless the previous rounds of funding. I would set the date to award this amount on March 1.

bybitcoin, is it  from your personal fund or from multiple donors ? I am going to give an update in the first page.
1403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NEX :: descendant of NXT on: January 19, 2014, 02:17:54 AM
Hey frictionless, when is the genesis block? Shouldn't we go to the market as soon as possible ?

Nxt doesn't have a genesis block,  only a initial distribution of coins.   So we got to wait until people express interest.

We don't want to cut short the distribution to abruptly.  That was really a bad move by the originators of NXT.

No I don't want all the beggars who contribute nothing have all the coins. How about I send you 10$ I take 200 million NEX and we have a genesis block tomorrow?

Dude.... by offering a bribe... you are automatically disqualified!!

No 1 million NEX for you.

Sorry I take my 10 $ back. Please give me my  1 million Roll Eyes please please
1404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NEX :: descendant of NXT on: January 19, 2014, 02:13:46 AM
Hey frictionless, when is the genesis block? Shouldn't we go to the market as soon as possible ?

Nxt doesn't have a genesis block,  only a initial distribution of coins.   So we got to wait until people express interest.

We don't want to cut short the distribution to abruptly.  That was really a bad move by the originators of NXT.

No I don't want all the beggars who contribute nothing have all the coins. How about I send you 10$ I take 200 million NEX and we have a genesis block tomorrow?
1405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NEX :: descendant of NXT on: January 19, 2014, 02:08:46 AM
Hey frictionless, when is the genesis block? Shouldn't we go to the market as soon as possible ?
1406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 19, 2014, 02:03:20 AM
Good luck with this. I purchased some NXTs in an exchange and tried to install the wallet. Talk about unintuitive. I sold them back. Maybe this will turn out alright for you all, but right now NXT makes Bitcoin seem user-friendly.

Easier to use clients are coming soon. Bitcoin wasn't user friendly at first either, the initial builds had no GUI at all, only command line.

Do you remember the btc/usd rate at that time?

Things have changed since. People are more aware of what a distributed network can do now.
1407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NEX :: descendant of NXT on: January 19, 2014, 01:53:11 AM
I am in. Frictionless, give me my coins. I have only 100 NXT. Can I have 1 million NEX ? Thanks
1408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT mythbusters on: January 19, 2014, 01:05:43 AM
How is NXT closed source? are you smoking crack?


Show me the source, Luke!

When you do, I'll have a new IPO,  1 billion The Next NXT (TNN) coins issued!

This argument about the source not being open is getting tired. Java code can be easily decompiled with a few clicks and on top of that the NXT devs make no attempt to obfuscate the code (unlike eMunie).

Like I said, still a myth "NXT is open source".

So now you are claiming code that is decompiled is "open source".  Man, you NXT folks are full of it. 



Hey what are you eating today ? too hot ? Mexican food ?
1409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT mythbusters on: January 19, 2014, 12:17:54 AM
How is NXT closed source? are you smoking crack?


Show me the source, Luke!

When you do, I'll have a new IPO,  1 billion The Next NXT (TNN) coins issued!

https://github.com/slothbag/nxt-decompiled
1410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 03:34:53 PM
sold 437nxt for 0.27btc Grin

Who's the buyer. You should ask him to average it down. He will surely be a winner eventually  Smiley
1411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Trading Thread for Nxt :: Descendant of Bitcoin on: January 18, 2014, 03:27:54 PM
responded to all pm, if not please inform me,

sorry I was at a bitcoin birthday party.

- lophie

Done and sold out, OK so lophie is a freaking old member and well respected, when he sells you buy you don't ask if this was real -_-! , Grats to buyers and I suggest you HOLD and for the others.... good luck (NXT)<----[see what I did there?] time


lophie is the man of honor. If you have a deal with him, no need to ask to escrow, just go ahead to send him money. He will do it right for you.
1412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 02:34:46 PM
does anyone else find it hard to believe that someone could brute force 20 characters of true random?

71828182845904523536 looks random, but actually is cracked within a few ms.

Did he only use alph-numeric characters ?
1413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 02:20:26 PM
does anyone else find it hard to believe that someone could brute force 20 characters of true random?

Theoretically speaking, someone looking for 20 character passwords may hit it on their first attempt, it's like playing the lottery. It's the part of NXT I dislike the most.

Theoretical yes. Practically it is impossible if you have some idea about mathematical probability. I am sure the chance you hit a existing 20 random password is smaller than the chance you win mega-power ball lottery twice in a row.

I could provide some solid mathematical calculations if there is a bounty on it.
 
1414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
Hi all,

Just had my wallet password hacked/stolen.

500k from my wallet (86162509365658888) was moved to this address 6122084737303019172.

I'm guessing no one can really help on this. (Yes running AV and on an OSX system)

Just a reminder to use really long passwords. Sad

If you dont mind me asking can you tell us more about your password. How long was it, was it real words, did it contain real words, did it contain true random. The more information the better. I would like to gauge the progression of the rainbow tables.

20 random characters generated by my password manager.
does anyone else find it hard to believe that someone could brute force 20 characters of true random?

NO WAY to brute force a  20 characters of true random. That is the surest thing above everything else.
1415  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Hi all,

Just had my wallet password hacked/stolen.

500k from my wallet (86162509365658888) was moved to this address 6122084737303019172.

I'm guessing no one can really help on this. (Yes running AV and on an OSX system)

Just a reminder to use really long passwords. Sad

The transfer was on January 14 and just now you came here and announce it ?
1416  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 02:00:01 PM
Shouldn't we reward the BTER owner for this promotion?

Yes.


Everybody says YES, but how to find who he is and what his Nxt account?

I sent the following email to support@bter.com:

Quote
Sir,

The Nxt community at bitcointalk.org is currently discussing your
recent addition of NXT to your exchange.  We would like to offer a
reward of NXT to your company for your work.

Please see:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4581279#msg4581279

Would it be possible to post your company's official NXT address on a
page located at bter.com?  Thank you.


Sincerely,
xyzzyx

while this is very cool in general, why putting the bter-owner into a corner
where others could say this is a paid job. doesn't seems this like an interest
conflict? is this wise or do i missing something and this is usual?


It is just unnecessary. Generally,  people giving money to exchange is to ask them to list their coins not after the exchange already list the coins. Besides, Bter is an already established exchange, so it is not like they need some money to support the developments like NxtChg
1417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 12:30:47 PM
1 account, 10 million.

9 anonymous people are chosen.

3 get the first part of the password.
3 get the second part of the password.
3 get the last part of the password.

So to send money, we just need to contact 1 of every group.  This needs to be a diverse group so that no one can figure out other people that might be in the group of chosen ones.

Make a script that allows input of the password parts and then executes it.

Or better yet, use some sort of screen sharing where each person then enters their password phrase. Everyone can view at the same time.

I like wesleys's idea much more than the idea of having 10 separate account controlled completely by 10 people. To summarize,  I going to put forward this proposal:

1. BCNext create a completely secure account holding 10 million fund

2. BCNext choose 9 trusted password holders who pledge 1. to never reveal the password or his names; 2. to follow the rules of funding; 3 to act expediently when the his password is required

3.
Following wesleyh's proposal  

3 get the first part of the password.
3 get the second part of the password.
3 get the last part of the password.

4. The funding for a new project would follow my concept  of "open bounty" outlined here

Anyone can step up and present his/ her idea, propose a bounty and let the community decides. So we continue the tradition of asking for bounties in a decentralized fashion as we have been already doing in nextcoin and nxtcrypto forums so far. But now funding would be a bit easier to come by since we have common pool in addition to private donors's fund.

This will work easier when we have the voting system in place. A person presents his/ her idea, propose a bounty and action plan, and set up a vote. Community can ask questions in the meantime and when the voting is over, the project will be funded if the vote passes the majority. A democratic and decentralized method of funding projects.

We can even implement this type of "open bounty" even when the voting system is not yet in place. In fact, we actually did it one time already with the case of Maco's android app as the overwhelming majority refused to fund his 500K NXT request for his app. So we actually had a precedent in place already. Let's continue the funding process in this type of decentralized fashion instead of giving one person/ or group the authority of giving out the funds.

5. When a project get funding, a time will be set so that the pass holders can coordinate and send the necessary fund to the project with funding. Make a script that allows input of the password parts and then executes it.

6. A guideline could be as follow (credit nxtberry)

I would also like to see an efficient donation/reward/funding program approx like this:
* 10 NXT donation to new nxters for basic testing
* 100 NXT reward for minor NXT promotion
* 1000 NXT graphics, branding, major promotion etc.
* 10000 NXT minor development, larger graphics work, applets, wide media promotion etc.
* 100000 NXT larger development / significant projects funding, milestone events

That's the proposal to deal with all the funding issue and all the unclaimed coins. Please support this proposal and end this debate in consensus. Please suggest modification as needed.    
1418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Trading Thread for Nxt :: Descendant of Bitcoin on: January 18, 2014, 03:55:28 AM
500'000NXT @ 0.000035btc

Rush sale and accepts fractionals => 1 btc

Pm
1419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 03:51:34 AM
Why it's so important to decide and to it right now what to do with that 10M. Everything goes just fine! Let's just go with the flow.

Does anybody have a great idea? Let's vote if it should be done and then vote how much we should spend on it. What can be easier?

Somebody suggested to make a photoshoot with girls to advertise Nxt. Let's do it. Share ideas of the photoshoot, draw sketches etc. Then vote for the best idea and size of a bounty. And so on with the rest of unclaimed money.

I have something similar in mind. It is like a concept of "open bounty". Anyone can step up and present his/ her idea, propose a bounty and let the community decides. So we continue the tradition of asking for bounties in a decentralized fashion as we have been already doing in nextcoin and nxtcrypto forums so far. But now funding would be a bit easier to come by since we have common pool in addition to private donors's fund.

This will work easier when we have the voting system in place. A person presents his/ her idea, propose a bounty and action plan, and set up a vote. Community can ask questions in the meantime and when the voting is over, the project will be funded if the vote passes the majority. A democratic and decentralized method of funding projects.

We can even implement this type of "open bounty" even when the voting system is not yet in place. In fact, we actually did it one time already with the case of Maco's android app as the overwhelming majority refused to fund his 500K NXT request for his app. So we actually had a precedent in place already. Let's continue the funding process in this type of decentralized fashion instead of giving one person/ or group the authority of giving out the funds.
1420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 18, 2014, 02:48:26 AM
Okey, take a look from the other side: it will be greatest anti-PR.
Just imagine: instead of writting code for multisig, devs just create code hacks to emulate multisig. Ugly code hacks.
"Hey, they premied 1 billion coin in code, now they spend coins in code, next time they block your coins in code! Greatest scam in history!!! Do Jean-Luc piss by BCNext's command?  Shocked" (Sorry, Jean-Luc, it is joke Smiley )

This, this, this. I can't believe the hypocrisy of insisting that the community should implement multisig, followed by a ludicrous proposal to FAKE multisig for the sake of coin distribution.

BCNext should eat his own dog food. If he wants to distribute coins this way, he should prioritize the implementation of a Nxt feature that supports its implementation for EVERYONE.

I can accept the anarchic, inconsistent, and schizophrenic method by which bounties and rewards are being distributed, but this implementation of a distribution mechanism is the worst I've heard.

Again: I think the IDEA is great. The specific method of IMPLEMENTATION is stupid. Really stupid.

Frankly, I think the whole idea is just a test, and the fact that so many people are ready to +1 it just because the idea (allegedly) came from BCNext is, IMHO, proof of failure.

I don't mean to malign Nxters. I listened to a Bitcoin podcast today that illustrated that most a Bitcoin adopters are far more ignorant than the average Nxt adopter. But we can do better.


If BCNext has some problems of holding the fund until we have voting and multi-signs in place, the most logical way is to just send them back to the genesis. It certainly not the most popular idea https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418695.0 ; but as I said it is actually the most logical solution, imho.
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