If I say that I also support unvaccinated illegal immigrants staying out of the same spaces as unvaccinated U.S citizens, does that help? I'm not "afraid" of infection, statistically it'll never happen to me, but its an absolutely real possibility. I'm not pretending that every single unvaccinated child will catch the plague, but all it takes is one to screw over a lot of people. The same could happen with immigrants as a source of contagion, but that doesn't mean we ignore the pinhole until we've shored up everything else. The problem is that with a single case that occurs, who foots the bill? Who is held responsible, and makes everything right?

Its not media, its thousands of years of human history that have taught us diseases are bad. Telling me to shut up and deal with you doing whatever you want is dismissive in itself, what about my right to not catch your diseases? Now you are stripping me, and using your minority defense to make your point infallible. Anti vaxers are not a minority group, they are just reckless. The point I keep trying to stress, you don't have to get vaccinated. Just don't expect everyone to respect your decision. I don't have to bathe, and if I don't bathe for a few years, I don't get the right to get pissed off when they kick me off the subway. If you don't give a shit about your community, you aren't welcome in your community.

My only point is that you only get to live exactly how you want, with whatever you perceive as your rights, if you live on your own. Don't expect that you can force your bullshit on others, any more than I can force mine on you. That doesn't mean we have to live harmoniously as neighbors however, and a community can tell me to leave for not bathing, and they can tell you to leave for being unvaccinated. A homeowners association can tell you to leave for not having the right color doors, your recourse is to not live in that homeowners association if you don't want to abide by their rules.

We obviously don't care much about each other's opinions even after making our claims. Thats cool, we nor our opinions will likely never effect each other in any way. I'm alright with watching it play out. Shoot me a pm with I told you so when it all works out in the end.

If someone is selling a drug that causes addiction during the first dose, I don't think the person can be blamed for the subsequent times they take the drug.

The ethics of legalizing (or prohibition) of drugs boils down to the harm to society (or lack thereof) when specific types of drugs are legalized. To get an idea as to the harm legalization of drugs does to society, take a look at San Francisco, Portland, or parts of Washington state. All of these places have prevalent drug use and drug dealing is largely ignored by police. The drug use often happens within large homeless camps that are very unsanitary to the extent that you should not use the shoes you wear if you visit one. 
Yes, that was his public mission, however behind the scenes this was not the case. There were many scams on his platform, including exit scams, but perhaps you cannot blame him for this. When people stole from him, he allegedly tried to have them killed, but was unsuccessful because he was dealing with an undercover LE informant. When a second person stole (hundreds? of) thousands of dollars from various users in his site, he allegedly tried to have him killed, but failed to perform enough due diligence to even realize these people don't exist. IIRC, his business was insolvent for many months (if not longer) before it was forced to close due to multiple unexpected business expenses over many months. The murder for hire was not proven, however the undercover agent did know the location/identity of the person who had stolen from Ulbtict.

As long as the signature itself is SFW, and after clicking on it there is a SFW landing page to protect accidental clickers, I don't see the issue. Anyone with exceptionally strong objections due to religion, country of residence, etc, can simply turn off signatures.

I can make things up if you'd prefer? Actually, I meant my comment on fear mongering in your benefit. I don't trust any news sources or studies without reading the raw data. I don't know anything about how many illegal immigrants from the Mexican border are Mexican, Mongolian, or Moroccan, again I could make some stuff up if you'd like, but I'd rather just say I don't know enough about it. I'm skipping over the subject not because its not significant, but going back to my point previously, we don't get to just disregard certain things because there are other potentially more significant or important cases elsewhere.

I could say that improper diet is responsible for more than half of a million deaths per year in the U.S alone. For that reason, immigration doesn't matter, vaccination doesn't matter, automobile safety doesn't matter, and africanized honey bees don't matter, but again if we are constantly shifting goalposts, there is no point in discussing anything at all.

Here is what I'm claiming:

1) Lack of vaccinations lead to diseases that otherwise wouldn't exist.

2) Those responsible for infecting others with diseases that otherwise wouldn't exist are solely responsible for the cases that they transmit.

3) In the case that a disease is transmitted, and a non statically insignificant case where permanent damage is done, the one who transmitted it is responsible.

4) The financial and life toll associated with lack of vaccination outweighs your right to infect others.


Here is my conclusion, being told to go away because the rest of the population doesn't want your diseases is not unreasonable. Strapping you into a chair and forcing vaccinations on you is unreasonable. The needs of a society outweigh the rights of an individual, and if you disagree you should not have those rights forcibly stripped from you, but given the option to politely go elsewhere.

If your point is that other unvaccinated individuals are coming in illegally anyway, why does that suddenly invalidate all other concerns? Shouldn't we be just as concerned about them as unvaccinated U.S citizens?


As you said, I'm not paying much attention to the fear mongering statistics of political propaganda trying to support their claims one way or another. Take a look at sources prior to the eradication of infectious diseases to make conclusions about them. People today have the right to be idiots, because they were never actually faced with threats. The reason Mexico is more vaccinated than the U.S, is because they had been dealing with actual epidemics far more recently than us. People under 60 didn't watch their friends and family deal with these diseases, so they are a non issue, that is until they resurface. We forget just how fortunate that we are that we don't live in a time where 50% of children die before they hit age 5, it really wasn't that long ago.

such nonsense, why should they invade the usa?

everything is about sovereignty.

they are arming these countries because their governments are afraid of the usa destabilising them with constant regime changes.

russia and china also like human rights, and having a good and innovative economy.

I don't know enough about the actual non fearmongering statistics regarding illegal immigration, and am not in a position to respond. I'd be happy to point out the CDC's statics that seem to conclude that Mexico has a higher vaccination rate than the U.S, but most of that data is for children, and I have not validated the legitimacy of their data.

I would agree with you if the tiny majority demanding bodily autonomy were absolutely isolated, and had no risk of spreading diseases that they obtained by choice to those that did not make the same choice. I support the choice not to be vaccinated, I do not support the choice to put others at risk because of it though.

Consider the choice to stop bathing. No one can force a person to bathe, but you may find out that you are no longer welcome in public places. Why is that understandable, but when a health risk is at stake, its oppressing a minority group? Again, its all fine and good as long as your choices only effect you when they effect others, it is not acceptable.

does it matter weather maduro or guidao is the countries placed money printer?

in any case the purpose is in order to delude the public. that he (maduro/guidao) is king and they are supposed to be money earning cattle.

jes you can have a burocratic and efficient banking system with jewish bankers which are actually quite good. but whats the problem is why is it important how the person in power in that respective country looks like. why cant the usa live with maduro? russia can live with both, but it prefers to have continuity instead of contstant hick hack. so there is at least reliability

Russian intervention is better than US intervention
It will help the country with all certainty.
Russia is working to find peace all over the world.
It has worked on its terrorist warriors in the Middle East.

Frankly, my offer stops the argument that "encryption isn't enough."

I'll leave it open until 4-15-19.

I don't know that they have a rule just like that. I searched about Sharia law and it not cleared to me. So you're saying that Muslims are forbid to live in west? Oh, FYI Manila, Philippines is at the East.

Actually we haven't, at all. Islam does not require participation in a political system. Muslims can honor their religion in their own lives, but they have no right to come to a Western nation and then impose Sharia law, even upon other Muslims within the Western nation. This is why Sharia is incompatible with Western nations. Muslims should be welcomed, Sharia law should be destroyed.

So disagree with the fact that all are terrorist or even 5% or any percentage.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.

A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.

These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.

The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.

so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.

look at bitcoin how controversial it is.

Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.

So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.

Me either. Muslims and Christians are on the same page in Manila. There's a peace in my country at that part only. They are living peacefully. But in the later part of Mindanao, there could be some chaos sometimes. But, we suppose to live harmoniously.

I agree, there should be a clear separation of state and church and anyone who believes a religious law should prioritize over the country's constitution should be made to take mandatory counselling and sessions

Quite frankly no one would love to live by the rules and laws of an old religion whose laws were derived from the culture of ancient times. The solution isn't to exclude people but to educate them. They think their books are words of God which can't be questioned. This makes their mind vulnerable to radical ideologies where they love their afterlife more than real life.

They need to be educated that we all got only one life and there's no afterlife as such. To succeed, one must do hard work in this world itself through education and using brain and not by blind beliefs. Youths of poor countries should be given jobs and a scientific attitude should be instilled.

Sad that politics won't let that happen as they need votes and vote banks.

P.s : I'm an agnostic and a globalist.

No one has a right to compromise public safety. Saying that threat X statistically will claim 1,000 lives vs threat Y will statistically claim 100 doesn't mean we can just ignore threat Y. We could save far more lives ignoring nearly all hot-button issues combined, and focusing on proper nutrition, but that doesn't mean there is no point in anything besides nutrition.

This topic isn't about people in Rockland County being forcibly strapped to chairs and injected full of chemicals, its about them being told, you aren't welcome here because you are a threat to public safety. Those that have enjoyed their decades of lack of crippling diseases should change, just because others are willing to take the risk? You don't have to be forced to put anything inside your body if you don't want to, just don't feel indignation when others tell you they don't want to come in contact with you.

Owning a snotty tissue with measles virus on it will get you sent to prison for a while, why is having the child that produces those snotty tissues acceptable?


This isn't vaccination related, its travel related, but check out the SARS outbreak in Toronto in the early 2000s. It didn't affect hundreds of people, but it shut the city down pretty well. The doctors that didn't quit were quarantined along with those they came in contact with. They don't really want little Jimmy going to the hospital if he comes down with something that could kill the other patients with weakened immune systems, and quarantine is awful expensive. 

Let's assume that those on this forum are quite knowledgable about encryption. That's fair. So this is a decent place to discuss the subject.

I'm willing to post a simple encrypted message, and to the first that breaks it, ....1 bitcoin.

Must pay 0.001 BTC in advance entry fee and notice they will try.

All out in the open and public.