Something happened to someone who is not very close, I remember he came to me asking me about Bitcoin and how to get involved, I remember it was a bad timing for me and I told him to go online and do his own research.
Now he is a victim to a WhatsApp group that opened a exchange and told him to invest through them, I never knew he had up to $3000 for investment, he never sound like someone who is ready to invest a lot and secondly I thought he was a time waster, now he can't withdraw his Bitcoin from the fake exchange.
I am thinking that leaving behind and not teaching people can make them a prey to scammers, if I have just thought him the right things about Bitcoin he might have not get scammed.
No matter how much you tell others to do their research about Bitcoin some are not very good at it, call it illiteracy or other but it is what it is, should we start turning those who are not so good with finding answers away? Is that a right thing to do? I don't even know why I am feeling bad for this person, I could have saved him though.
I guess we are talking about adults, people who are supposed to know how the world works. If they want to invest in something they don't know/don't understand without even doing a proper research, it's kind of difficult to feel pity for them. Of course scamming people is wrong but if you're putting your money somewhere then do more research, try to be sure about what you're doing instead of always looking for a shorcut. |
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Ho scritto chiaramente che stavo estremizzando? comunque vedi poi cosa sta facendo in Africa da tempo, lì non è che per imporre una futura sua CBDC avrebbe bisogno di chissà quali credibilità, la impone e punto.
Comunque volevo capire se c?era dell?altro oltre a questo discorso.
Vi do una notizia molto brutta: in cina esiste una CBDC, lo yen digitale. Se non lo sapete, io si che ho un amico qui in paese che ha sposato una cinesa, loro usano wechat e altri programmi per pagarsi fra di loro. Usano pochissimo gli yen veri. Se non è questa una cbdc ci siamo poco secondo me. Beh, se usano we chat usano una società privata per fare transazioni, non la banca centrale. Magari in Cina cambia poco, ma la differenza è sostanziale. La CBDC è moneta di Banca Centrale, che spiazza totalmente la moneta privata, o bancaria, come possono essere, a esempio, le carte di credito. Un paio di appunti: i cinesi fanno di tutto con WeChat già da almeno 10 anni, ricordo fin dalle prime volte che andai a Shanghai che volendo pagavi pure la ciotola di riso comprata da un banchetto al lato della strada con WeChat, impressionante direi. L'altra cosa è che essendo un'app cinese condividono tutti i dati col governo quindi sì, da un lato non sono sicuramente una banca ma dall'altro il governo controlla tutto e sa chi, come e quando ha spostato soldi. |
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quando qualcuno mi dice "perche non vai a vivere in citta?" gli rispondo che sarebbe da pazzi per me, ormai sono arrivato a pensare che la gente vive la frenesia della città come uno status symbol e non perchè è davvero necessario essere frenetici nella maggior parte del tempo in una giornata. E' tutto deleterio e andarsi a cercare un malessere non fa altro che farti sentire ogni giorno peggio. Oggigiorno un po' tutto è diventato uno status simbolo, incluso vivere in certi posti piuttosto che altri. Ho amici che fin da quando eravamo adolescenti erano fissati col vivere a Milano semplicemente perché c'erano più cose da fare rispetto al nostro paesino, ed era vero ovviamente, peccato che poi quando si sono effettivamente trasferiti la parola divertimento è sparita dal loro vocabolario dato che per poter pagare l'affitto del buco dove vivevano dovevano risparmiare pure i centesimi. Però oh, quando ci parlavi non mancavano mai di ricordare che loro vivono a Milano. Io sono per l'idea che è meglio essere ricco tra i poveri piuttosto che povero tra i ricchi, a me importa vivere bene la mia vita, non impressionare le persone. Ale88 in accordo al 100%, la gente vive per impressionare il prossimo ed è assurdo e oltremodo triste. Personalmente mi potrei permettere una gran bella macchina ma giro con il mio catorcio (visto che una macchina di 10 anni viene definita tale), potrei prendere indumenti di alta sartoria invece sono strafelice e sto bene con dei comunissimi vestiti da negozio dietro l'angolo. La casa si me la sono fatta in un angolo di tranqullità e di dimensioni ben vivibili, con verde e degli animali domestici, che nella loro ingenuità sono una spettacolo: ti aspettano e aspettano solo te. Francamente non so se sono ricco o povero, questa è una definizione del tutto soggettiva, conosco gente che ha milioni e rincorre continuamente i soldi e gente che con cento euro in mano si crede il re del mondo...forse meglio essere una persona che si comporta normalmente in mezzo ai poveri, i ricchi tante volte sono talmente ricchi da avere nella loro vita solamente i soldi. Però mi sento ricco la sera quando mi gusto il silenzio (e leggo questo forum  ) La vera ricchezza è avere una buona disponibilità finanziaria e stare bene con se stessi. Ognuno ha idee diverse di quanti soldi ci vogliano per vivere bene dato che c'è chi sogna di cenare con ostriche e champagne tutte le sere mentre io, ad esempio, con una pizza o un piatto di pasta sono felicissimo. Al tempo stesso spesso si lavora sempre di più per comprare sempre più cose, un'altra abitudine che ho preso da tempo è chiedermi se abbia veramente bisogno di quell'oggetto e che differenza farebbe nella mia vita: al momento vi scrivo da un MacBook Pro del 2014 e uso un iPhone 7 nonostante ogni anno mi legga le recensioni dei nuovi modelli. Perché non li ho ancora cambiati? Perché funzionano benissimo per l'uso che ne faccio, e quei soldi preferisco investirli. Questo forum sicuramente mi ha aiutato tanto in questo cambio mentale, ti rendi conto di come normalmente si viva una viva superficiale e consumistica. |
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I don't really understand how people can trust random people on forums to contact them on WhatsApp or Telegram. But sadly it's still happening. I suppose internet security should be taught at schools at least. I don't really know how to teach older people about that.
If you think about it, it's not only about bitcoin: how many people send money to strangers after a phone call because they actually believe whatever lie they've been told? Or people meeting other people online, they never meet in real life, and yet they send money over money to some stranger. Oftentimes the people involved could be old, naive, alone, many different life situations that bring them do to something that other people would never do. |
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quando qualcuno mi dice "perche non vai a vivere in citta?" gli rispondo che sarebbe da pazzi per me, ormai sono arrivato a pensare che la gente vive la frenesia della città come uno status symbol e non perchè è davvero necessario essere frenetici nella maggior parte del tempo in una giornata. E' tutto deleterio e andarsi a cercare un malessere non fa altro che farti sentire ogni giorno peggio. Oggigiorno un po' tutto è diventato uno status simbolo, incluso vivere in certi posti piuttosto che altri. Ho amici che fin da quando eravamo adolescenti erano fissati col vivere a Milano semplicemente perché c'erano più cose da fare rispetto al nostro paesino, ed era vero ovviamente, peccato che poi quando si sono effettivamente trasferiti la parola divertimento è sparita dal loro vocabolario dato che per poter pagare l'affitto del buco dove vivevano dovevano risparmiare pure i centesimi. Però oh, quando ci parlavi non mancavano mai di ricordare che loro vivono a Milano. Io sono per l'idea che è meglio essere ricco tra i poveri piuttosto che povero tra i ricchi, a me importa vivere bene la mia vita, non impressionare le persone. |
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Previously, not only did the world consider bitcoin a highly volatile and high-risk asset, but even those of us who invested in bitcoin considered it a high-risk asset. But I think we should gradually change that concept as well as change the way we call it, bitcoin is no longer a risky asset. Recently AllianceBernstein, an asset manager with $699 billion, called bitcoin a safe haven and even more attractive than gold.
For me, this is the first time I've seen a traditional company admit and call bitcoin a safe haven and consider it superior to gold. What do you think about this and should we stop calling bitcoin a risky investment? I never trust whatever a big company says because, in my opinion, they are doing it just because they are going to have some kind of personal gain. Yesterday was gold, today is bitcoin, tomorrow it could be some mineral used to build smartphones, who knows. Of course it's great to see that there is a better understanding of what bitcoin is instead of the classic FUD but let's not think that those companies are there to help us or giving us actual advices. |
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I am a small investor. I was not connected to this forum but I used to buy and invest in various coins. A few days ago I bought $870 worth of Bitcoin when the price of Bitcoin was $25000. Today it has increased to around $1200-1400. It was one of the happiest days of my life. People do various important things with their earned money. I also did one of the most important things of my life with the money I earned from my investments. My most important job is to get married. I got married in a family and all wedding expenses and wedding party arrangements were done with my bitcoin investment money. In the country where I live, $1400 is about 2 lakhs money, which can cover the entire cost of a wedding. If I hadn't invested in Bitcoin I might not have seen this happy day and party with my friends. Writing about bitcoin and bitcoin forums may never end. First of all congratulations on your wedding! Second thing, I feel like you've been kind of lucky in this type of situation because the price moved in the right direction (for you), but I wouldn't rely on taking this type of risks again in the future if you actually need the money to do something. If you're buying for long term holding then it's different. |
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A real and serious nvestors won't be called investors if they don't explore every inch of what would be their investment.
Now it's easy to find information about bitcoin, and also we have a strong growth history, but at first you need to be a visionary rather than an investor. Let's not forget that those who began buying the first bitcoins over 10 years ago were mainly kids and nerds, I'm pretty sure almost none of those were investors, but they've been able to see something that others didn't. Let's not forget that people like Buffett, probably the best investor in history, is still against bitcoin, and I'm pretty sure he did his researches about it. |
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I feel that when Bitcoin is reaching peak prices, all news sites cover the news. As a result, lot of new users come to Bitcoin. As a result, this can be a good time to invest in promotion of crypto affiliate programs. The chances for conversions will be higher as Bitcoin popularity will already be in mind of people.
Let's say that it doesn't take a genius to answer your question Yes, of course during a bull market people are more willing to invest, more willing to take risks because they see everything going up, so it's the best time also for any kind of affiliate program. The average Joe invests only when prices go up, not when they go down. |
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I saw something on Quora that worried me. Someone said that he lost 1200 BTC to scammers. Then, I saw some people sharing/claiming to be experts in recovering lost bitcoin. They shared their contact details like Telegram IDs and WhatsApp numbers. I have a suspicion that the person who lost the BTC might be the same one giving out those contact details or advices. They could be trying to trick others in the future who search for help online. Google might suggest similar questions on Quora, and people could end up sharing their private keys with scammers. So, if you are new to all this, be careful. Don't trust random people claiming to be experts on Quora or anywhere else. They might just be trying to get your private information. This question: https://www.quora.com/I-just-lost-1200-BTC-to-scammers-now-How-can-I-recover-my-BTC-backscroll to see more answers like these. Many posts on Quora are simply fake, and I'm not talking about bitcoin only. I didn't even open the link you posted but it's clear that there is behind the same person, I mean let's be serious, who runs a legit business only using an app like Telegram? Unfortunately I am sure that there are many people that somehow will fall for this type of scam. |
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I would agree that if a bitcoin ETF does get shut down for some reason that the last thing everyone should be doing is going out and selling theirs. This is of course called "panic selling" and is typically always the wrong idea for "investors". It would seem to me that an ETF is now inevitable, so if it doesn't pass this coming round for whatever reason, it's only a matter of time until it does.
If people will really sell their bitcoin just because the ETF(s) didn't get approved then it means the market is not as mature as I thought. Bitcoin doesn't need the ETFs, of course it's a great way to bring more money into the market but just like we made until this point without the need of any ETF, things won't change in the future, bitcoin is bigger than all that institutional stuff. |
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Il mercato è senz'altro maturato, ma i nuovi arrivati ci saranno sempre (per definizione) e pensano di avere le capacità per non farsi fregare restando ammaliati da qualche nuova miracolosa shit.
Finché non ci rimangono incastrati... e così imparano.
E' sempre la solita storia ormai, la conosciamo bene.... Beh alla fine dei conti l'unico modo vero per imparare è perdere dei soldi, e lo dico per esperienza personale: diciamo che alla fine, considerata la situazione attuale, mi reputo fortunato, ma se penso agli "investimenti" fatti anni fa se avessi avuto un po' più di esperienza ed intelligenza sarei in una situazione molto migliore. Ma capisco che d'altra parte è così che funziona, alla fine mica possiamo pensare che qualsiasi novellino faccia barcate di soldi sapendo a malapena quello che sta facendo. |
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Bitcoin as the father of all cryptocurrency have hard it ups and down since it came into existence, but what I observe lately is the misinformation about Bitcoin that got me worried like in this time and age, people still take Bitcoin as a scam.
I wouldn't deny that in my early days of investment, I really was unconvinced by the presentation i had about Bitcoin, which I took it as one of these fraudster trying to milk the general public as mmm did, but with time, after doing some research and finding I discovered how misinformed I was about it.
Right now most people are like me years back, they are totally misinformed about Bitcoin, the best I do for them right now is to educate them about it, which some even told me what they think Bitcoin was, which is totally untrue about it.
but in as much as am trying to share knowledge about Bitcoin to those who lack it, I don't try to force it on anyone so they won't see me as a scam.
The fact that in 2023, almost 2024, there still are people who consider bitcoin a scam is kind of mind-blowing. Not only we have internet, now we even have AI, so if you really don't understand what bitcoin is and how it works just ask the AI and it'll do all the work for you. We live in a time where ignorance is a choice, if people want to live without learning ok, that's fine, at the end of the day not everybody can be smart. |
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Would it be a satisfactory quantity if I had 0.1?
Considering the maximum available number of bitcoins, that we all know it's 21 mln and several of them are lost forever, and the number of people in the world, yes, I would say that simply owning 0.1 BTC is to be considered a satisfactory quantity. For some people it could be a little amount but for many others is a dream. |
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You can find physical stores and currency exchanges all over Europe, the US, and parts of Asia where you can just walk up to the counter and buy or sell bitcoin. There's actual staff at the storefront in these locations, not just an ATM machine and I've seen them in busy areas of most major cities in Europe and America. The ones I've visited tend to be grubby little shops down side streets though in some places they're getting more mainstream. Sometimes I think we need to migrate to a crypto friendly country.
Instead of just picking up and migrating to a new country, why not try to make some changes at home first? Get involved with the local government or community groups and see if you can help create a better environment for crypto. I'm not saying it'll be easy or happen overnight. And maybe you can't do it alone, but by joining together with others who want the same things, you'd be surprised what can happen. At least give it a shot before you go packing your bags. While I agree with you at the same time I can also understand the frustration of the OP: maybe you live in a first world country run by an actual democracy, so you have all the rights to protest against your government and your politicians but unfortunately in many other places in the world is not like that, it could even cost your life. |
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Let me explain. When I say that your crypto portfolio should have more than just Bitcoin, I'm addressing Bitcoin enthusiasts who want to make short-term gains while staying invested in Bitcoin as their primary asset.
Here are a few reasons why:
• Bitcoin is a volatile asset, and its price can fluctuate wildly in the short term. This can make it difficult to generate consistent profits by trading Bitcoin alone.
• By diversifying your portfolio with other cryptocurrencies, you can reduce your overall risk. Some altcoins may be more volatile than Bitcoin, but they may also offer the potential for higher returns.
• Some altcoins have specific use cases that could make them more attractive to investors in the short term. For example, some altcoins are focused on developing decentralized finance (DeFi) applications, which are becoming increasingly popular.
If you're a Bitcoin enthusiast who wants to make short-term gains, I recommend that you consider diversifying your portfolio with a few other altcoins. This will help you to reduce your risk and increase your chances of generating profits.
What do you think?
I bought some altcoins in the past, sometimes it turn out to be a good investment and other times no, it wasn't good at all. If you want to buy some altcoins I would suggest to buy something that is somehow reliable like ETH or BNB just to mention a couple, for sure I wouldn't buy Shiba or other meme coins. Anyway for me the easiest thing to simply stick with bitcoin, if I have some extra money I prefer to buy more BTC rather than any other altcoin. |
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I looked for traces of Satoshi on the Internet. I've read all of his posts since 2009. He is sublime. If you read his writing, you can feel his passion. I have a little bit of bitcoin. I'm pretty relieved just to have Bitcoin. But if you look back at history.. Yahoo lost to Google. Yahoo was great, but Google was even better. Satoshi gave us a gift called Bitcoin without any greed and went somewhere. The problem is, new geniuses are born all the time, and technology advances. Bitcoin is not physics. It's blockchain technology. Which means that bitcoin is not an immutable law. A better technology than Bitcoin could emerge. What should we do if someone gives us a better system than bitcoin as a gift and leaves? It performs better than Bitcoin, and it even has the perfect decentralization of Bitcoin, which we value highly. Bitcoin was created in 2009, and now it's 2023. Cars made in 2009 cannot be better than cars made in 2023 or later. What if someone with as much genius and passion as Satoshi is creating a system better than Bitcoin?
First of all you need to find someone who is willing to give up for free his creation, like Satoshi did. Then you need to build a community that actually believes in your product and understands its value. Doing the same thing that bitcoin did is not easy at all, it takes a lot of efforts, sacrifices and time. And especially becoming so decentralized like bitcoin is another extremely hard thing to achieve. Sometimes I feel like people really underestimate bitcoin. |
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This is a confirmation that Bitcoin is safer and better than many conventional investment portfolios.
Anyone still doubting the freedom, comfort and peace that Bitcoin offers is probably yet to embrace reality. One of bitcoin's main characteristic is being your own bank, and on one side is nice because in theory no one can get your bitcoins, on the other hand it also means that if you lose access to your funds nobody can help you, so I wouldn't call that "comfort and peace". Let's be honest, for many people this could be too much, if the majority of your funds are in bitcoin your life is tied to those 12/24 words, without considering of course the possibility to be hacked or making some mistake. |
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Mi viene da pensare che tu sei il forum e il forum sei tu. Veramente ha avuto un impatto molto potente nella tua vita.
Cosa ne pensi del forum? Hai un rapporto di amore e odio o solo di amore? Come mai trovi affascinante scrivere e leggere.
Così però esageri e magari mi suona come presa per i fondelli. Comunque si, il forum ha avuto un impatto decisamente forte. E non nascondo che chi mi conosce bene sa che dedico parecchio tempo. é un rapporto di amore, ovvio, anche se un pò sbilanciato, perchè nonostante mi sforzi mi pare di aver ricevuto da questo forum molto di più di quanto abbia dato. Certamente come conoscenza: ho imparato tantissimo e sono grato. Poi insomma,a l'idea di poter "dialogare" direttamente con Satoshi, o per lo meno i suoi post, mi emoziona sempre un pò. Chissà Hostfat, che con Satoshi ci ha dialogato davvero! Poi, ovviamente, inutile girarci intorno, le varie sig, concorsi etc sono la ciliegina sulla torta, ma starei sul forum comunque, dato che anche ci stavo prima quando non c'era nessuna gratificazione pecuniaria. Possibile presa per il culo a parte (in effetti @bastisisca il tuo post lascia molto spazio ad interpretazioni ) direi che hai dato al forum ben più di quanto tu abbia ricevuto, ed il numero abnorme di merit che hai ricevuto sta lì a testimoniarlo. Ricordo male o sei tipo il terzo utente per merit ricevuti in tutto il forum? La sezione italiana neanche la menziono perché sei fuori categoria in pratica |
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I have read many articles exaggerating bitcoin price prediction's from both those who claim to be professionals and diverse bitcoin enthusiasts which I felt the necessity within to drop this piece figuratively.
We are expecting too much from bitcoin in just a short time of about 13years since it's creation. By logic bitcoin is just a teenager who has not yet attained the status of adulthood like the forex market for example, yet it has penetrate and saturate the financial market (global economy) becoming the talk of the town in the internet like it has been here 50 years ago.
The high expectations should be moderated so we can be able to appreciate the milestone growth bitcoin price has made. Commensurable with its age bitcoin price is doing great and only those who are not highly expectant setting their price scale at a great distance of 100k, 150k, 200k will care to appreciate the feat, some even predict as high as $1M in the next bull run and when the price doesn't go even close as expected they complain that the performance of bitcoin has been poor.
And this can be so discouraging for investors that planned on long term hodling with such a high expectancy. Learn to treat bitcoin like a teenager that's just coming up and still has its future ahead of it and stop the unequal comparison with other financial instruments like gold that have been around for decades.
A number of persons might suggest i move the topic to speculation board, however I fondle it also suites here because the topic is not giving a prediction for BTC price but otherwise.
I agree with you, people tend to forget how new bitcoin is after all. We live in an era where we are used to have everything fast, and we want it now, that's why there are so many people who lose money while they try to get rich pretty much overnight with some ridiculous investment, people have no patience so they say that bitcoin doesn't work/it has failed because they have expectations that are just too high. |
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