I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD. I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?  This forum, Facebook, Twitter, no matter the platform, usually these people only show up during bear markets to remember others that bitcoin lost, for example, 50% of its value, of course without mentioning that it's still worth way more than 3-4 years ago otherwise they know hat what they are saying makes no sense. Probably many of them missed out big time and now they see other people making money and they can't accept it, so they hope other people will fail just like them. |
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I don't want to cash it all out at once or gradually. That was a stupid act because the bank or anything related to the government would be able to find out that there were large transactions in my account. I prefer to cash out like I do every month and keep the rest in my digital wallet.
I don't know where you live but probably you are supposed to declare every single cash out you make, unless we are talking about $100/month. If your bank has any suspect about that money they can flag you even for very small transactions because for them it's always better to flag rather than not do it, so be careful. If you declare everything then of course you're totally fine. |
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What will I do?
1. Always try to use a new address to receive payments
2. Try not to publish your bitcoin address to the public. Regarding the first point, it depends who is sending you the bitcoins: if it's always the same person/company I don't see why keep changing the address, I see more problems than advantages in that case because it could create some kind of confusion. And the second point, you can even have a specific wallet just for that use case, so there is no direct connection with the main wallet you use and then use a mixer or a no-KYC exchange as bridge before sending the BTC to the main wallet. |
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Ora bitcoin non pare affatto un rischio e di conseguenza non offre gain elevati.
Beh, insomma, parliamone Sicuramente oggigiorno BTC è molto più sicuro rispetto al passato perché abbiamo la (quasi) certezza che i principali governi non hanno intenzione di proibirne il suo uso, e questo è importantissimo perché vuol dire che chiunque possa fare le cose alla luce del sole, quindi l'ipotesi di un'adozione di massa rimane sempre una possibilità. Al tempo stesso il mercato viene ancora manipolato, probabilmente meno di un tempo, ma non è sicuramente un mercato per gente debole di cuore. Sul lungo periodo si è quasi certi del guadagno, il problema è sopravvivere a quel lungo periodo perché ben poche persone hanno la mentalità da hodler quindi spesso finiscono col vendere in perdita perché a livello mentale non ne possono più e preferiscono svendere e smettere di pensarci. Anche la mentalità da holder verrà superata, se Bitcoin diventerà un asset “tradizionale”. Non mi riferisco alla (deleteria, a mio parere) filosofia che dice che i satoshi non si toccano mai ( cosa sarebbe successo se Hal e Lazlo fossero stati degli holder?), ma proprio alla possibilità di fare “gambling” sui mercati finanziari. Non credo che l’adozione di Bitcoin implichi un “controllo” da parte dei governi “Fiat”. Forse questi avranno l’illusione di poterlo controllare, ma il “walled garden” nei quali gireranno i Bitcoin “puliti” sarà sempre a rischio rottura, nel senso che alla fine i Bitcoin non possono essere controllati. Sono assolutamente d'accordo che se i BTC non girano allora tutto questo non avrebbe senso, però credo che con la prossima bull run, se dovessimo effettivamente passare i $100k, vedremo più movimento: un conto è vendere 5 BTC a $10k, che sono $50k alla fine, non sono pochi soldi ma neanche tanti; vendere quegli stessi 5 BTC ad almeno $100k vorrebbe dire portarsi a casa mezzo mln, è una cifra che cambierebbe la vita a tanta gente, perfino nei paesi del primo mondo. Holdare quando arrivi a vedere certe cifre è difficile, soprattutto perché poi sappiamo che c'è una buona possibilità che il prezzo torni a scendere quindi volendo uno può anche vendere, ricomprare, e tenersi la differenza. |
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To your point about moving to another country: This would be very problematic on multiple levels for me, one of which is that, thanks to the Communist, Obama, who managed to ram FACTA into law, it's very difficult for an American to open a bank account overseas, let alone deposit millions of dollars into one. If you're an American and you want to move abroad to avoid paying a lot of money in taxes then you should buy a second citizenship, like St Kitts & Nevis, St Lucia, etc, and then renounce to the American citizenship. It's a very big step and it would be worth only if you could actually save a lot of money in taxes because just buying a second citizenship easily costs $150-250k depending on the country. There are also countries like Portugal that have a special investment program called Golden Visa (I think) but you need to wait 5 years before being able to apply for the citizenship so if you're in a hurry or let's say you want to sell everything during the next bull run you can't wait that much. |
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It is captivating for us all to witness the evolution of a DDC (decentralized digital currency) that has the ability and potential to change the financial world forever but there is a question that needs to be tabled properly for the purpose of awareness and well preparedness for the future and that is "is it possible for BTC to be accepted and adopted as a dominant currency in the nearest future".
We have all watched how both small scale and large scale businesses have started to accept the idea of bitcoin as a form of payment for good and services. Now the big major companies these days like TESLA for example are making big transactions with bitcoin making btc look viable and acceptable for exchange even in the future and we all know that this is only possible because they find it more easy and secure for their digital transactions with low transaction fee compared to the normal bank transaction system. But then how can we ignore that bitcoins journey towards being dominant means of transactions Is faced with challenges such as concern on price volatility. That aside several countries are still trying to steer how to regulate the cryptocurrencies and these actions can crucially impact the value/utility of BTC, well this is what i think.🤷♀️
What is your opinion on this topic?
I'm not sure bitcoin could actually become "the dominant currency", I see it more as a very good alternative to the other currencies. I'm not even sure how governments could react in case bitcoin actually starts to become too popular, especially countries like the USA and China. Anyway we are very far away from any kind of mass adoption, many things could change if/when big companies like Amazon, Apple, etc, will start accepting BTC. |
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Yes, it is true that Bitcoin has changed the lives of many people, but more importantly, it has also changed people's attitude towards the nature of money.
That is so true! Thanks to bitcoin I started learning more and more about the financial world, how to properly manage money, keeping under control the expenses, making a DCA plan for both BTC and ETFs, all things that before discovering bitcoin I had no idea they existed because no one ever taught me how money is supposed to be managed. What I've learnt thanks to bitcoin is priceless. |
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Prudenziale o no mi sembra che eravamo qui ad ascoltare plan b che diceva assolutamente che btc sotto i 100k o i 50k era impossibile dopo il 2023, e invece Eravamo chi? Utilizzare il termine "impossibile" parlando di BTC poi è la cosa più lontana dalla realtà dato che tra tutte le cose che esistono al mondo è tra le più imprevedibili, sia nel bene che nel male. Beh mi ci metto anche io, nel senso che leggevo e la sua teoria sembrava piuttosto buona... non ero l'unico, poi sappiamo com'è andata Le teorie le leggo anch'io ma giusto per curiosità personale, alla fine si tratta sempre di previsioni quindi ci sono un sacco di incognite impreviste. Plan B ha (aveva?) sicuramente una teoria interessante ma era estremamente ottimista, magari fosse tutto così semplice come la faceva vedere. |
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Ora bitcoin non pare affatto un rischio e di conseguenza non offre gain elevati.
Beh, insomma, parliamone Sicuramente oggigiorno BTC è molto più sicuro rispetto al passato perché abbiamo la (quasi) certezza che i principali governi non hanno intenzione di proibirne il suo uso, e questo è importantissimo perché vuol dire che chiunque possa fare le cose alla luce del sole, quindi l'ipotesi di un'adozione di massa rimane sempre una possibilità. Al tempo stesso il mercato viene ancora manipolato, probabilmente meno di un tempo, ma non è sicuramente un mercato per gente debole di cuore. Sul lungo periodo si è quasi certi del guadagno, il problema è sopravvivere a quel lungo periodo perché ben poche persone hanno la mentalità da hodler quindi spesso finiscono col vendere in perdita perché a livello mentale non ne possono più e preferiscono svendere e smettere di pensarci. |
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When we gamble what we are looking after or expecting is money which is [profit] and when buy bitcoin and invest what we are looking after is [profit] and when you so many people they skip bitcoin investment to gamble and some uses very big amount of money to gamble whereas the same amount of money will achieve some fraction in bitcoin investment. So I come with this question to know the thing between this option or words I presented the one that done you more harm, if bitcoin has done you more harm during the times you invested in bitcoin you can tell the public and if gambling has done you more harm by losing in gambling frequently you can also tell the public.
But for me I think gambling is the one that done people more harm than bitcoins investment, because almost every day people gamble with different platforms but its few of people that invest in a day or weekly, I will like us to discuss these.
Gambling is bad when it becomes an addiction otherwise it's just another way to spend money: going to a pub and spending $50 in alcohol is pretty much the same that betting $50 on a football match, they are both things that you can do because you enjoy them but you must know you need to limit yourself. I used to bet on football matches in high school because it was fun doing it with my classmates but when I noticed I was starting to spend too much time thinking about the next bet I decided it was time to stop and I never made bets again. Bitcoin could be a bet if you buy for the short term, if you hold then it's an investment. |
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Prudenziale o no mi sembra che eravamo qui ad ascoltare plan b che diceva assolutamente che btc sotto i 100k o i 50k era impossibile dopo il 2023, e invece Eravamo chi? Utilizzare il termine "impossibile" parlando di BTC poi è la cosa più lontana dalla realtà dato che tra tutte le cose che esistono al mondo è tra le più imprevedibili, sia nel bene che nel male. |
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Bitcoin investment, this is the opportunity for someone who wants to invest in bitcoin to invest in bitcoin without looking back, because anyone that invest in bitcoin now will make a profit during bullrun, the price of bitcoin is fluctuating and it does want to up since the price has being to twenty six thousand [26] is over one month or less than one month the price is being unrotational for price, I think that any one that plan to become a billionaire in bitcoin this is the opportunity to invest in bitcoin against next bullrun.
The way I'm looking at next bullrun am thinking that the bullrun will be something that will push bitcoin price to approach hundreds thousands [100] for the price, but people will not invest now. I split my funds currently to different of coins expecting that if I don't make profit in any of the coins when bullrun comes I will surely make profit in bitcoin because bitcoin price now is no longer going downward or going upwards, but any move the price will make to go up the price will increase, I'm expecting the price of bitcoin to rise in 2025 and 2026 so any investment in bitcoin should be expected till next two years or three years time. Summary, invest in bitcoin and forget about the investment and hope that you will make profit after some years coming.
The human brain and psychology work in interesting ways, many times we know it's the right time to do something but for some reason we don't because we prefer to wait for a better opportunity, and maybe we are lucky enough to actually get that better opportunity and we think there is going to be even a better one, but oftentimes there is not, and we simply miss it. For me buying BTC below $30k is a great deal, of course $25k is better than $30k but if we reach $+100k who is going to care at that point? |
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This is one thing I have said in comments in other threads but I think it deserves a thread in itself to comment on, even if we can only speculate. I have searched and I see that it is usually claimed him to have lost them as most likely. In a quora thread the voted as best answer is: Statistically speaking, Satoshi Nakamoto is (in order of likelihood) either dead, in prison, incognito or not able to find the keys to his wallet.
My personal opinion is that he is incognito; I see him clearly as someone who lives alone with a dog, doesn't like doing housework, grows zucchinis in the summer, hates shoveling snow, has arthritis in his knees, doesn't own a smartphone, his neighbors think him odd, he loves buying discount books at the flea market on Sundays, he's active on the internet under a plethora of pseudonyms and will likely release some of his coins when bitcoin reaches $1,000,000. There are three possibilities: 1. He still has the private keys. 2. He does not have them or cannot access them (this includes his death without leaving them in inheritance). 3. He got rid of them on purpose, as a donation to the rest of Bitcoin holders. Recall his "lost Bitcoin is a donation." Obviously I am referring to the million Bitcoins or so attributed to him for having mined them at the beginning. If Satoshi is still alive (or if they are still alive) I am sure he has a good amount of Bitcoin but that nobody links with Satoshi's name. I think the most likely is option 3. Just as he started up Bitcoin for humanity and stepped away from the project I think at some point he purposely disposed of the keys to those Bitcoins, either for privacy, as a donation, or both. I find it hard to believe that someone as careful as he was would lose the keys and not have multiple backups. Option 3 would be the the case scenario for all of us, especially for him (them?) because it means he's still alive, and I really wish he can see where bitcoin is today and how much it has grown over the years, nowadays almost everybody knows what bitcoin is, 6-7 years ago the situation was way different! Anyway we must hope those bitcoins will never move otherwise it could really be a big problem... |
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Quanto varrà btc a marzo 2026? Dico la mia: sui 50.000$
Prudenziale. Se nel 2026 bitcoin dovesse essere sotto 100.000, per me sarebbe una delusione. Nel 2026 avremo ETF, bull run da halving (e conseguente storno), se siamo fortunati qualche upgrade tecnologico (non credo, ma non si sa mai). Sicuramente più adozione e consapevolezza. Lo scenario che proponi è sicuramente realizzabile, ed anzi ottima occasione per raccogliere più sats, ma ritengo che uno scenario “razionale” possa essere attorno ad una cifra molto più alta. Azzarderei dicendo che Plutosky, forse, ha calcolato 50k come cifra post prossima bull run. Tipo, sparo a caso io un 150k per fine 2025, per poi fare un ipotetico bottom a 50k per marzo 2026. Almeno io l’ho interpretata cosi la sua predizione. Edit: O magari fillippone hai considerato 50k troppo poco come bottom della prossima bull run? Se fosse il bottom sarebbe accettabile, se invece il pensiero è che avremo una lenta e costante crescita per i prossimi 2-3 anni per arrivare a neanche il doppio del valore odierno (circa $27k) nonostante halving e ETF, senza dimenticare l'inflazione, allora vorrebbe dire che è successo qualcosa perché saremmo ancora ben sotto l'ATH precedente dopo 6 anni, cosa mai successa prima. |
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I grandi imprenditori della Storia, che sono i primi e più importanti investitori , hanno impegnato tutte le loro energie e la loro esistenza in 2-3 progetti al massimo. Spesso hanno dedicato tutta la loro vita ad uno solo di essi. In parte per istinto, molto grazie all'osservazione della realtà, ad analisi, studi...hanno previsto dove andava il mondo e sono andati "all in" con la loro idea. Steve Jobs quando ha avviato Apple non si è preoccupato di "diversificare". Non ha aperto, oltre ad un'azienda di informatica, anche una pizzeria, un'edicola e un negozio di scarpe..perchè sai...se va male con i computer almeno vendo giornali e prosciutto e funghi... Beh ma non penso che si possa mettere sullo stesso livello una persona che crea la propria compagnia e ha un progetto con chi invece investe, quindi l'unica cosa che gli importa è avere un ritorno, che poi si stia parlando di computer o di pannolini non importa, sono due situazioni completamente diverse soprattutto a livello di impegno richiesto: se cerchi di creare una compagnia come Apple hai bisogno di giornate di 25 ore perché ti dedichi anima e corpo, ovviamente non ti passa manco per la testa di pensare ad altro perché hai un obiettivo ben chiaro. Se hai parecchi soldi invece che vanno "solo" investiti cambia tutto dato che mica ti devi mettere a lavorare per il settore nel quale investirai. |
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The purpose of Bitcoin is not to invest...
What makes us think that Bitcoin can't have more than one purposes? It can be used as a payment method when possible since it provides seamless and decentralized payments and it can also be used as an investment asset since it is volatile and can provide significant profits on investments. Like it or not, up to now, bitcoin has truly become an asset, an investment rather than a currency. We need to accept that change and adapt to it. We can't just stick to the original notion that Satoshi created bitcoin just to be a peer-to-peer currency and refuse to adapt when things are changing in the other direction. Furthermore, as you said, bitcoin can be used for many purposes, and that is what makes bitcoin superior, why don't we make the most of that to bring more benefits to ours? For me, bitcoin is an investment and can also be a currency...depending on the situation we will use it accordingly. To become a currency bitcoin needs more adoption, and to have more adoption we need more people understanding why bitcoin is unique and can actually change lives, and in a certain way if the price keeps going up because less people are willing to sell, more people will talk about bitcoin and will also become interested in it. Being an asset it could just be part of the process at the end. |
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I don’t know if I’d blame Blackrock solely for this recent drop in price. It makes sense that big players would want the price to drop though. Knowing that a ton of BTC from mtgox will be sold at any price as soon as customers get their hands on it, the logical thing is to get the price as low as possible to advantage of that coming scenario.
I wouldn't. Bitcoin price has been manipulated by whales way before BlackRock would join the game, let's not forget that until a few years ago BlackRock's CEO (or someone in a very high position) openly declared that bitcoin was a scam, so they are pretty much the last people who changed their mind. Will they try to manipulate the market in the future? Probably. Can they now? I don't think so. |
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I came to know that hardware wallets go dead if they are not in use for more than 1 year Where did you find this type of information? I've never heard about such thing, and exactly what do you mean when you say that hardware wallets "go dead"? The coins are stored on the blockchain, if you don't move them they are just going to stay there forever, they can't disappear, and the seed phrase doesn't have any expiration date so I'm really struggling to understand what you mean. |
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I smell fear in this statement, fear of the government and it's co-partners about the extent of the financial freedom and privacy bitcoin has without regulatory policies handed over to people. And this freedom is looking like a threat to the government's sit of economic control creating all sorts of lies trying to deceive bitcoiners in giving out their freedom in exchange for a promising bitcoin priceless value.
We know cbdc with their inimical monetary policy control on distribution and issuance. There's no privacy in financial transactions with CDBC individuals financial details are easily accessible at anytime.
In a digital world where privacy is a key challenge having CDBC gain access and saturate the bitcoin market will only mean doom for bitcoin vision.
IMO bitcoin doesn't have to become priceless only when cdbc enters the market, as for me bitcoin is already a priceless asset to my use I don't know about you.
Besides the fact that many of this financial gurus keep making statements just to avoid being forgotten, I think that he was talking more in a figurative way, it doesn't mean it literally but it's more about the fact that the privacy bitcoin gives you (both for transactions and storage) is priceless, so of course that has an impact on the price but, at least in my opinion, he wasn't talking about that. |
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Alla fine per molti italiani me compreso, potendo disporre di un pacco di sodi così, “conviene” restare in Italia.
Troppo bella e troppo abituati a certe bellezze del vivere qua. Non vengo da Marte e quindi conosco bene i limiti, i difetti e i disfunzionamenti italiani… ma personalmente mi toccherebbero il giusto se avessi una paccata di soldi, o meglio, pagherei questo prezzo per poter poi godere appieno di quelle cose che difficilmente potrei trovare oltre confine, cose di cui penso ne sentirei sempre la mancanza. C'è una cosa che dico sempre quando parlo con gli americani: se non devi lavorare, l'Italia è il miglior paese del mondo dove vivere. Il rapporto qualità/prezzo che c'è è difficile da trovare in altri paesi, ovviamente questo è dovuto al discorso degli stipendi più bassi rispetto ad altri paesi, quindi la situazione è difficile per tanti nativi ma facile per gli expat, alla fine è lo stesso discorso che si può fare per posti tipo Bali, Tulum, etc, con la differenza che in Italia saresti comunque in Europa. Per alcuni qua questo momento è già arrivato, mi piacerebbe davvero tanto potessero trovare la voglia di raccontare la loro esperienza. Le loro scelte riguardo a dove hanno preferito vivere e perché.
Chissà un giorno qualcuno si voglia palesare…
Chi è sparito dal forum perché ha fatto tanti soldi dubito verrà qui a raccontarlo Secondo me comunque ben pochi si sono trasferiti per davvero all'estero. |
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