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881  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 20, 2023, 03:49:07 PM
Overall I was counting on India to get a 180-ish total but i have a feeling that it would be tough to defend this total.

This is the same ground where last year Ireland almost chased down a 225 score against the same opponent so in my reading it should be a tight one.

Atm the odds are not juicy enough for Ireland but i won't mind betting lunch money on them if they lose a couple of quick wickets in the powerplay.  
882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 20, 2023, 02:37:34 PM
Decent power play for Ireland. India won't be too disappointed either as they have a fine batting lineup.

At the current rate, India should touch the 160 mark easily but they would like to stretch this to 185-190 and try to give some buffer to their bowlers, anything above would be a bonus.
883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 20, 2023, 12:01:43 PM

Traditional wisdom says that, at least on paper, X(full member) A team should be strong against the associates so overall it's good for cricket.   
Very true. It's good to see more and more of these associate nations slowly and steadily rising with time.
Props to the New Zealand Cricket Board that they sent a team there, otherwise test playing nations hardly play any cricket against an associate.

Normally these fixtures are dull to watch but still, we need more matches between Full members and Associates and T-20 is the best format for such tours.
884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 19, 2023, 06:08:24 PM
It's a big win for the associate team but we shouldn't forget that Kiwis sent a rookie team on this tour and it's becoming a norm for everyone.

Having said that it's still a wonderful achievement for UAE as this win came against a full member. Traditional wisdom says that, at least on paper, X(full member) A team should be strong against the associates so overall it's good for cricket.   
885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 19, 2023, 04:32:58 PM

No reason to blame them for the initial burst as it was their right but at the same time, they also knew that it was fool's errand and they wasted a fair amount of time.

The next Championship trophy is also scheduled in Pakistan and i bet this story will repeat again, maybe it would be wise if they can follow the hybrid model same as the Asia Cup.

The same thing is definitely going to be repeated. And again, I believe it is going to be two countries hosting the championship trophy. But I hope that is going to be a better fixture.
A proposal that beckons is to allocate the initial half of the tournament to take place in Pakistan, while the latter half shall unfold in another captivating destination outside Pakistan.. Not one match here and the next match there. And of course Pakistan is in the right to ask to host the tournament. But if the situation in Pakistan gets better, I think Pakistan might be able to host the whole tournament. But Pakistan will have to give the touring players a huge amount of security in any case.
I won't be surprised if it's UAE (gulf) + Pakistan or Srilanka/Bangladesh + Pakistan.

Overall both scenario makes sense but Gulf pitches seems to be dead and most of the results depends on the toss so there is a fair chance for the latter scenario but at the same time it would also depend on the profit margin aka tax situation.

886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 19, 2023, 02:32:18 PM
Ramiz Raja is the one who talked about national dignity but Najam Sethi talked about money. The new government of Pakistan didn't even bothered to resist rather agreed on everything proposed by BCCI. Now India will not come to Pakistan for Asia Cup but Pakistan will go to India for World Cup. Next is icc championship trophy and same episode will be repeated by India.
Previous PCB Chairman Raja is taken strict action and stood on Asia Cup if India come to Pakistan. Pakistan Will go to India for the world cup but now current PCB chairman Najim is not taken a stand on the Asia Cup. I think The main reason is Asia Cup is not an ICC event. ICC champion trophy 2025 will be held in Pakistan. And every team come to Pakistan if any team doesn't come BCCI and another team. ICC will take action against him if which team doesn't come to Pakistan for the champion Trophy.
I am not going to lie here but a fair amount of people in India were counting on such tactics but it was bad luck (For Indians) that PCB caved.

BCCI or overall India in general wants Rambo (Immi) kind of people in charge of PCB (Pakistan). I won't dwell much on it but imagine what would happen if Pakistan actually boycott the World Cup.

If you can grab the gist of it then i won't mind a productive discussion.
887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 19, 2023, 10:44:29 AM
Great to see Bumrah bowling well again. Ireland batted like crap, but they were bowling well(Especially Young) though they wouldn't win regardless of rain interference thanks to such a low target.

Ireland can actually win atleast 1 match in this series if they bat well and provide a proper target for the Indians.

Injury has taken its toll on Bumrah. I am not sure whether he will be the same bowler ever again. He took two important wickets, but speed as well as swing has gone down.
One thing is for sure. He needs to retire from at least 1 format, my guess would be ODI after the WC.

Retiring from the test won't make any sense because he only plays in the SENA countries so 4-5 test every year should be alright. Then there is T-20, due to IPL.
888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 19, 2023, 07:48:22 AM
As far as i know, at the start revenue sharing model was proposed in the ACC meetings for the Asia Cup, which is the norm when we have multiple hosts but PCB was reluctant to move things in positive ways.

They were also given the choice that they are free to host the tournament without India but this proposal was also rejected and we know the reason already.

Hosting the tournament without India would mean that the revenues go down by 80% or more. So such an option is not viable. Anyway, without the India vs Pakistan clash, what is the point in even having the Asia Cup? Revenue sharing model works with GCC nations such as Oman and United Arab Emirates, but when it comes to South Asian nations such as Sri Lanka, the terms and conditions would be much more unfavorable. Pakistan initially wanted Oman as the co-host, but other ACC members raised the issue of unfavorable weather.
If you have the hosting rights and you are relocating the tournament to another venue then the deal favors the original host, it's definitely not 50-50 so that's my reading.

Anyway, Asia Cup is a done deal and shouldn't face any issues atm but the Champions trophy drama is going to be fun because it comes under the ICC. Btw did you notice, BCCI never made any fuss when they moved the last T-20 Asia Cup to Dubai? One could say tax benefits but BCCI never took a penny and all profits were handed out to ACC.
889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 19, 2023, 05:35:52 AM
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The next Championship trophy is also scheduled in Pakistan and I bet this story will repeat again, maybe it would be wise if they can follow the hybrid model same as the Asia Cup.

This is really a big headache. The schedule and logistics gets quite complicated, if the matches are being hosted in two different countries that are thousands of kilometers apart from each other. It creates additional headache for the fans, as well as for the TV broadcasters. All this could be avoided. PCB could just enter into a revenue sharing agreement with any of the other countries and then shift the matches there. Or else, ICC need to talk to BCCI and make sure that they don't have an issue with Pakistan hosting major ICC tournaments. The current situation is not viable in the long term.
As far as i know, at the start revenue sharing model was proposed in the ACC meetings for the Asia Cup, which is the norm when we have multiple hosts but PCB was reluctant to move things in positive ways.

They were also given the choice that they are free to host the tournament without India but this proposal was also rejected and we know the reason already.
890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 18, 2023, 05:45:21 PM
@fuguebtc  Not some but a billion people didn't want their team to visit Pakistan for the Asia Cup. It was very clear from the start but all parties, especially PCB wasted a lot of time. Although their grievances were genuine but dick measuring contest with the BCCI on political grounds wasn't necessary, recently it happened with the WC fixtures too.

Yeah, hard for players to travel back n forth for just 1 match. It's final so no one can do anything about it. Now ACC must take extra care of players when traveling, maybe provide Charter flights.
   

I am actually not going to blame the Pakistan Cricket Board in this situation. If it was me or anyone else I can guarantee that they would have done the same as well. Of course, the Pakistan Cricket Board is going to want to host when it is their turn. So of course, I don’t think we can actually playing Pakistan Cricket Board. Simultaneously, I acknowledge that Pakistan may not be an optimal choice for hosting the Asia Cup.

I know that the fixture is already made and there is nothing that can be done about it. I hope there are not going to be any problems in this tournament. But people should learn from their mistakes.
No reason to blame them for the initial burst as it was their right but at the same time, they also knew that it was fool's errand and they wasted a fair amount of time.

The next Championship trophy is also scheduled in Pakistan and i bet this story will repeat again, maybe it would be wise if they can follow the hybrid model same as the Asia Cup.
891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 18, 2023, 05:30:06 PM

India is the best team in cricket game it is ok but they are not much better than Australia they may be much stronger team than England but relative to Australia they are almost close to Australia.
In white ball cricket, India is lagging badly, maybe they are in the top-4-5 and it's not an achievement at all.

In test cricket tho, they are at the top of their game despite losing 2 WTC finals. In the last 7-8 years they are the best touring side and we all know how dominant they are at home, hence the best team.

892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 18, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
Bowlers doing an exceptional job for India.

Bumrah looked decent after a long break and picked up 2 wickets which is good, although those wicket-taking deliveries were not jaffa. So far Arshdeep is showing his accuracy with wide yorkers, it's always good to watch. Also good to see Bishnoi spinning the web.
893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 18, 2023, 01:50:41 PM
Inexperienced team but looks nice on paper with a decent batting lineup and a couple of all-rounders. Even debutants give some sort of confidence, especially the Rinku.

Wish he was batting allrounder, things could have been simpler in the long run. Dube is alright and peaking with the bat but he needs to bowl as well. For Bisnoi it would be crucial series as competition for leggie in the squad is becoming tough.

894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 18, 2023, 06:13:01 AM
@fuguebtc  Not some but a billion people didn't want their team to visit Pakistan for the Asia Cup. It was very clear from the start but all parties, especially PCB wasted a lot of time. Although their grievances were genuine but dick measuring contest with the BCCI on political grounds wasn't necessary, recently it happened with the WC fixtures too.

Yeah, hard for players to travel back n forth for just 1 match. It's final so no one can do anything about it. Now ACC must take extra care of players when traveling, maybe provide Charter flights.
   
895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 18, 2023, 05:08:12 AM
Lol Ditto!

In general, all names i came across when i read posts here, Sithara's normally post about random T-20 leagues even random fixtures, mostly associate matches.

At least someone is following T-20 format seriously. All i know about BBL, PSL, The 100 and SA t-20. When it comes to details then I only follow IPL.

LOL.. it is strange that you doesn't consider the Caribbean Premier League in the same level as BBL and PSL. For heaven's sake CPL came much before the PSL and the 100. SA20 is a very recent invention. On top of that, CPL is one of the most popular foreign leagues as far as Indian audience is concerned. And I believe that it has a higher viewer-share compared to either BBL or PSL. Anyway, I keep track of all the T20 leagues around the world and it gives an idea in which way the sport is moving. My prediction is that bilaterals will become history in another 5-6 years and franchise T20 leagues will become more prominent.
Actually, i just don't know anything about the Caribbean league. In fact, for foreign leagues, my overall T-20 viewing experience would be around just 10 overs at best. So it's just my ignorance as i am not much into T-20 leagues, except IPL.

Considering ICC going with the ICC tourney every year and almost all cricket boards are trying to build their own T-20 leagues so it's obvious that bilateral will die for sure and for the right reasons.
896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 17, 2023, 06:58:29 PM
Sometimes I do think that the Caribbean Premier League does not get as much recognition as it should just because the West Indies team is not doing very well in cricket. What Do you guys think?
Honestly, I have never heard of this league before until now. The IPL craze spawned domestic leagues across the world, but what primarily helped India was their population while the same cannot be said about some other countries like WI.

Not being able to qualify for the upcoming WC didn't exactly help their case either. They need to improve drastically in multiple departments in order to attract more viewers.
Lol Ditto!

In general, all names i came across when i read posts here, Sithara's normally post about random T-20 leagues even random fixtures, mostly associate matches.

At least someone is following T-20 format seriously. All i know about BBL, PSL, The 100 and SA t-20. When it comes to details then I only follow IPL.

897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 17, 2023, 01:43:23 PM

I was implying that senior players were missing from the Indian squad.
No, you were right. I misread it, my bad.

Sithara007, I am going to be blunt about the broadcasters, not hyping the Asia cup. Some of them are just straight up, not happy with asia cup even being played in Pakistan. that’s why they are simply not happy about it.
Not sure if that's the case.

The most possible reason, promos etc got delayed because of drama between BCCI and PCB. A fair amount of discussions were going on and at some point, there was no surety of the Asia cup.
898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 17, 2023, 04:21:43 AM
Aha, I doubt that. It's India A Emerging vs Ireland, not India vs Ireland so it won't be one-sided series. I'd be very surprised if it's a dud.

Well.. you can label the squad as India A or India Emerging, but officially it is the Indian senior team. Jasprit Bumrah got an opportunity to captain the team, with Ruturaj Gaikwad as the deputy. Sanju Samson gets another opportunity despite repeated failures. Yashasvi Jaiswal and Tilak Varma will be hoping to continue with their good form with the bat. So will be Arshdeep Singh and Mukesh Kumar with the ball. India lost against West Indies due to the absence of senior players. But Ireland is so pathetic right now, that they would get defeated even by an Indian U-15 team.
Last time these 2 teams played against each other in Ireland. India barely won the 2 match series. 2nd match, in particular, was extremely tight so i won't underestimate Ireland. Back then too India sent an emerging team but they had in-form batters and Hooda played some blinders there.

Which senior Windies player was missing? Mayers, Pooran, Powell, Hetmyer, Holder, Alzarri etc all were playing. Unless you looking at the likes of Narine and Russell.

899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 17, 2023, 02:51:38 AM
Asia Cup is coming soon but not seeing any hype from the broadcasters, atm they are busy with useless bilateral series against Ireland. Guess we'll start seeing some promo during the Ireland series.

And 1 good news for Indian fans, there are some reports coming out that Rishab Pant played in a practice match, not sure about the field but he did come to bat.

The broadcasters doesn't seem happy about the tournament, and it is understandable. The schedule is messed up. Some of the matches are taking place in Pakistan, and some in Sri Lanka. And this just adds complexity to the logistics for broadcasters. On top of that, too many India vs Pakistan matches are scheduled to happen in the next few months (including one in the upcoming Asian Games cricket tournament). BTW, I don't know what India is going to achieve by playing against Ireland. It is going to be a completely one-sided series.
Guess uncertainty around the tournament and participation of teams added more headaches to this. They should be happy tho, as far as I understand it should be Diwali time for them and they must milk it.

Aha, I doubt that. It's India A Emerging vs Ireland, not India vs Ireland so it won't be one-sided series. I'd be very surprised if it's a dud.



900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 16, 2023, 03:36:01 PM
Asia Cup is coming soon but not seeing any hype from the broadcasters, atm they are busy with useless bilateral series against Ireland. Guess we'll start seeing some promo during the Ireland series.

And 1 good news for Indian fans, there are some reports coming out that Rishab Pant played in a practice match, not sure about the field but he did come to bat.
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