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481  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: December 18, 2023, 12:37:30 AM
~snip~

Obviously, he just started his international career, but I am talking about Mukesh exceptionally because he is having clear action, not so long run up that makes him a perfect test bowler because he can bowl long, and also he got ability to seam movement too off the pitch if there is any assistance.

I went for nap after the 8th wicket because the result is obvious, and later I checked highlights and found Rutu dismissed early on LBW but to me, it looked like going down and 99% such reviews will be umpires call, and I don't know how these umpires call working now. Roll Eyes

Sai Sudharsan played extraordinary, had a little bit of luck early on, and Iyer is getting better and better at No.4.


BCCI prefers not to airdrop bowlers/ batters in the Test format and they have to grind through the India A system first, that's a policy. 

Mukesh has no experience of India A so first he needs to play at least some matches for them and perform. Same with Arshdeep, he did appear in the County but it won't be enough. Avesh has experience but in a current lot, he's at the bottom of the pecking order.
482  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: December 17, 2023, 03:41:03 PM
Arshdeep and Avesh Khan should face serious consequences, it was supposed to be a 100-overs match but these 2 criminals turned this into a T-20 match.

Not the best way to wrap up the Sunday. If not spectators then at least think about the cash strapped broadcasters. If you finish the game too early, How are these poor folks supposed to cash in the Primetime slot?   

So you are implying that the performance should be like Mukesh's  Cheesy

To be honest, Mukesh was unlucky and he got the wicket on the very first ball of the match, but they didn't review it due to the double tap and then also he bowled really well and keep beating the bat but went zero under the wicket column.

And he looks like a perfect candidate for the test match, he got clean action so not injury prone and something similar like Shami, hopefully he will keep his performance standard upwards so when the time comes he will be on the slot.
One can look for a replacement in Dinda Academy  Grin

Jokes apart, i don't think these guys are ready for the test cricket. Avesh Khan might be ready against lower ranking team but still, he's also way down in the pecking order. Likes of Krishna (My choice) and Saini (if he's fit) will take the spot if the main seamers are not available.
483  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: December 17, 2023, 12:56:43 PM
Arshdeep and Avesh Khan should face serious consequences, it was supposed to be a 100-overs match but these 2 criminals turned this into a T-20 match.

Not the best way to wrap up the Sunday. If not spectators then at least think about the cash strapped broadcasters. If you finish the game too early, How are these poor folks supposed to cash in the Primetime slot?   
484  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 17, 2023, 04:31:31 AM
The pitch is looking spicy now, with lots of inconsistent bounce. Short balls reaching waist high, good length balls picking up and batters are getting hit.

Fair to say Australia already has 150 extra runs on this pitch. One of the Pakistani batters needs to do Pujara here, just pad up all his body with an arm guard and offer himself to Starc-Cumdog-Hazelwood.
485  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 16, 2023, 05:01:58 PM
Pakistani fans should not be disappointed with these results in Australia. You guys are not alone, almost every visiting team gets the same treatment whenever they tour Australia.

Before Proteas used to win and compete against Australia in Australia, nowadays it's just India so according to traditions at one time, Aussie only allows one team to win or compete in Australia and everything is going according to plans, your time will also come.

I don't think Pakistan will win the Test match against Australia, but I guess the match will be competitive. Pakistan have a strong batting order. However, Pakistan's overall performance against Australia was poor. The bowlers did not perform well, while the performance of the batsmen was very poor. While Australia managed to score 487 runs in the first innings, Pakistan scored only 271 runs. Pakistani bowlers are not doing well in the second innings as well. Pakistani bowlers picked up two wickets quite quickly but Usman Khawaja and Steven Smith batting very responsibly. Australia lead by 300 runs at the end of the third day.
We have only 2 days left so let's see if it's competitive or not so far it was hardly a contest. Maybe in patches but for a small amount of time in the 3rd inning.

The good thing is, there is no hope for Pakistan in this tour so they can only up their game from here, even one draw with a fighting performance from the bat or ball (Not rain, delay etc) would earn them respect from fans around the world. 

486  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 16, 2023, 03:19:33 PM
Pakistani fans should not be disappointed with these results in Australia. You guys are not alone, almost every visiting team gets the same treatment whenever they tour Australia.

Before Proteas used to win and compete against Australia in Australia, nowadays it's just India so according to traditions at one time, Aussie only allows one team to win or compete in Australia and everything is going according to plans, your time will also come.
487  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: December 16, 2023, 01:57:41 PM
Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.
Lol love the Anant-Moitra example but anyway.

My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.

488  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 15, 2023, 06:00:22 PM
I am impressed with Khurram Shahzad, yesterday he bowled quite beautifully and he was the only disciplined guy in the Pakistani bowling lineup. Didn't watch his spell today so don't know how he reacted to the 2nd new ball.

Bowling in Australia is not an easy task for the subcontinent bowlers, most of the time bowlers from our part of the world get too excited with the bouncy wickets. Extra bounce and fast paced pitch give them the illusion of being fast (Similar to SENA spinners in India) so they try extra hard and in doing so they leak runs like a club cricketer, some do learn the art if they are given a long rope but for the new guys only time can tell. 

I've noticed this with Afridi, if batsmen start attacking him he goes into his shell and looks quite average and it happens in every format. Having said that today he bowled a good spell with the 2nd new ball but he's nowhere close to what he was 2 years back. Naseem is injured so no point talking about him but he could've been effective here because he take care of his line n length. Regarding Haris, i won't say much as i don't consider him a Test bowler.

In Pakistan there is no dearth of talent. But once some talented player lands in the national team, they don't know how to groom him. I will be very disappointed if Khurram Shahzad and Aamer Jamal ends up like Muhammad Hasnain. They change the format of their first-class competition every 2-3 years and as a result of that there is no stability. That maybe one of the reasons. And regarding their weakness in Australian pitches, I am surprised as many of these players are used to Australian conditions (they participate in the Big Bash League).
Well, i am not sure about this argument of "dearth of talent" anymore. It seems like more of a coping mechanism to me with a mix of nostalgia.

In my recent memory of the last 7-8 years I am yet to see their bench strength who are consistent enough to call -so called natural talent-. One time wonder for sure but in the long run I don't see anyone. One could call it a failure of management or whatever but it's fucked up situation and not a new phenomenon.

 
489  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 15, 2023, 01:59:52 PM
I'd have trusted these folks more if they had used the word "Discipline" with the Pakistani bowling lineup but that wasn't the case at all.

Jamal did wrap the tail and 6 wicket haul in his debut series is commendable but tbh he was all over the place and offered plenty of freebies in every over, his wicket ball for Alex Carey was peach tho and could've rattled any batter in the world.

Both Aamer Jamal and Khurram Shahzad were a bit wayward at times, and given the fact that they were playing their debut test perhaps the nerves got the better of them. Despite that Jamal got a spectacular 6-wicket haul and without that Australia would have got to a 600+ total. But then what about Shaheen Shah Afridi? He is the most experienced bowler in Pakistan squad and he returned figures of 27-7-96-1. He was neither economical, nor successful. I guess in order to take wickets, he need Naseem or Haris at the other end.
I am impressed with Khurram Shahzad, yesterday he bowled quite beautifully and he was the only disciplined guy in the Pakistani bowling lineup. Didn't watch his spell today so don't know how he reacted to the 2nd new ball.

Bowling in Australia is not an easy task for the subcontinent bowlers, most of the time bowlers from our part of the world get too excited with the bouncy wickets. Extra bounce and fast paced pitch give them the illusion of being fast (Similar to SENA spinners in India) so they try extra hard and in doing so they leak runs like a club cricketer, some do learn the art if they are given a long rope but for the new guys only time can tell. 

I've noticed this with Afridi, if batsmen start attacking him he goes into his shell and looks quite average and it happens in every format. Having said that today he bowled a good spell with the 2nd new ball but he's nowhere close to what he was 2 years back. Naseem is injured so no point talking about him but he could've been effective here because he take care of his line n length. Regarding Haris, i won't say much as i don't consider him a Test bowler.

Haris Rauf understands his body condition and if he focuses on his financial security by prioritizing T-20, then there is nothing wrong with it.

He has virtually no FC experience, The last time he played a test match on his debut series he gave up after a couple of spells and had to leave the ground so he clearly can't ball more than 10 overs in a test match. Pakistani fans should understand this and management should leave the poor guy alone, On top of that FFS they must stop shaming him and they need to come up with a better solution. Pakistan is lucky that he's not in the team otherwise they could have been 1 bowler short for the next 4 days.
490  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: December 15, 2023, 12:59:49 PM
Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.

Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.


https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cricket/exclusive-bcci-readies-plans-to-launch-a-tier-2-white-ball-tournament-similar-to-ipl-11908511.html
491  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 15, 2023, 12:32:28 PM
I know there is no issue with the pitch as it's on the flatter side but Aussie comms keep saying that it's a tough pitch for batters.

I mean, c'mon. The first inning score is about to touch the 500 mark and these guys saying it's tough to bat on? Do they think that listeners are dumb or something?
Lol! You're right. They ended up posting a huge target of around 487 runs though they could have surpassed 500 if it wasn't for Jamal ripping into the tail-enders. He performed admirably though he needs to stop leaking so many runs.

Warner and Marsh were the highlights. Pakistan could lose the first test by an innings if they don't bat smartly.
I'd have trusted these folks more if they had used the word "Discipline" with the Pakistani bowling lineup but that wasn't the case at all.

Jamal did wrap the tail and 6 wicket haul in his debut series is commendable but tbh he was all over the place and offered plenty of freebies in every over, his wicket ball for Alex Carey was peach tho and could've rattled any batter in the world.
492  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 15, 2023, 05:12:40 AM
It would have been a much better contest if it was PM XI vs Pak.

They are just piling runs here, 476/7 and counting but I don't understand why comms for the most part keep pointing out that it's a tough pitch to bat on. I know Pak's bowling looked pretty toothless so far but the pitch is not tough at all, especially for the home team. There must be some tired legs in the Pakistani camp but hope they cross at least 300 runs in their inning.

The pitch is not an issue, but may turn bad by the end of the second day. Aamer Jamal has already taken 4 wickets in just 19 over and I feel another one is coming to him shortly. Already the youngster is looking motivated after taking 4 wickets and a fifer would be great for his stats. Already the scoreboard is looking good for the Australian side and if they are able to add another 30 runs then it won't be easy for the Pakistani batters.
 
I know there is no issue with the pitch as it's on the flatter side but Aussie comms keep saying that it's a tough pitch for batters.

I mean, c'mon. The first inning score is about to touch the 500 mark and these guys saying it's tough to bat on? Do they think that listeners are dumb or something?
493  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 15, 2023, 04:58:47 AM
It would have been a much better contest if it was PM XI vs Pak.

They are just piling runs here, 476/7 and counting but I don't understand why comms for the most part keep pointing out that it's a tough pitch to bat on. I know Pak's bowling looked pretty toothless so far but the pitch is not tough at all, especially for the home team. There must be some tired legs in the Pakistani camp but hope they cross at least 300 runs in their inning.
494  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: December 14, 2023, 05:04:53 PM


Surya continues to shine in t20, he should be tried with giving same batting position in odis too, just imo.
He's already 33yo and I believe we have seen enough of SKY in ODI.  Grin

He's not going to play in the next ODI WC anyway so why not try and nurture some young players and let SKY focus on just the T-20 format or maybe, just maybe (Although i don't want it) some tests appearance here n there, only for vibes when someone in the middle order is injured.  Tongue
495  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: December 14, 2023, 03:52:53 PM
Another belter of the pitch with short square boundaries and Jaiswal showing that he has a good head on his shoulder. Gill with his back punches and strong wrists could've been dangerous here but only if he was wise enough to stay on the crease.

India going with over 9 runs per over but I believe they need to crank up those numbers more. This Proteas batting lineup can chase a target of 200 against our dibbly dobbly bowling attack easily, fingers are crossed for Arshdeep and Kulli. They are not bad bowlers per se but Proteas batters are just not respecting these 2 in particular.  Grin
496  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: December 14, 2023, 03:35:38 PM
@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.
Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
497  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 14, 2023, 12:11:13 PM
Quite surprised to see Khurram Shahzad opening the bowling for Pakistan. Apart from Shaheen Shah Afridi, they have selected a very inexperienced bowling squad for this test. Shahzad is playing in his first ever test match (also the first match for Pakistan national team). Recently he performed really well in Pakistan domestic cricket, while playing for Faisalabad. Aamer Jamal is also playing his first test match, and he represents Lahore Whites in domestic cricket. BTW, pitch at Perth Stadium seems to be batsmen friendly and Australia may end up with 400-500 on board by day 2. 

Naseem Shah is unfit while Haris Ruaf preferred playing BBL then to play this test series against Australia. In absence of these 2 main pacers, Pakistan left only with these options. So far Aussie batting has destroyed Pakistan bowling and main reason is David Warner who is not out on 150. Aussies have made 289 runs so far and by stumps they will make 350/375. I don't think Pakistan batting has so much depth that they can chase down 400 or 500 against Aussie bowling lineup.
Haris Rauf understands his body condition and if he focuses on his financial security by prioritizing T-20, then there is nothing wrong with it.

He has virtually no FC experience, The last time he played a test match on his debut series he gave up after a couple of spells and had to leave the ground so he clearly can't ball more than 10 overs in a test match. Pakistani fans should understand this and management should leave the poor guy alone, On top of that FFS they must stop shaming him and they need to come up with a better solution. Pakistan is lucky that he's not in the team otherwise they could have been 1 bowler short for the next 4 days.
498  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 14, 2023, 04:37:19 AM
For the Pakistani team, this is going to feel like a long 3 match series, similar to their last tour.

Last time as well they came with an inexperienced bowling attack and some big brains in management thought that it would be a good idea to repeat the same masterstroke. Warner the home track bully will cement his place for another season.
499  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 14, 2023, 02:54:49 AM
^^ He might be a rookie but he's bowling hard length which is interesting because it's his first tour or maybe both openers taking their sweet time because they didn't face him before.

Having said that, so far he's bowling a lot better than Shaheen. After the injury Shaheen looked like a completely different bowler, his speed went down and his swing is nowhere to be seen.
500  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: December 13, 2023, 09:30:52 PM
~snip~
At least something positive came out of it, which was about to happen once the Olympic tag came along with the cricket. 

It'll still take some time because atm few teams are participating in it but it's an amazing update and I am sure more associate teams will follow the same, not in the short term but surely things will look juicy in the next 4-8 years as far as local participation in the squad is concerned.
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