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581  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 17, 2023, 08:21:20 PM
Well, Indian fans are biased for their cricketing heroes but they are not braindead for sure, i understand you used this as an example but still no matter how big a player is if he's playing with 50 or 70 SR in ODI then he'll face criticism, and for the right reasons. One example is see fans react to Kohli in the T-20 format, he faces criticism over his SR regularly but in the ODI virtually never.

I don't follow Indian cricket too much but I follow them when they play against my country or play in an ICC event. I did not know that fans criticize him for his T-20 Strike rate. Before we criticize any player, we have to understand the match situation. I wouldn't talk about Virat's strike rate if I saw Indian already had five wickets and he was playing as an anchor player there.

Do you know Mahmudullah Riyad from the Bangladesh cricket team (He was the top run geter for Bangladesh in this World Cup)? And Tamim Iqbal? There are some plastic fans in Bangladesh who criticize them for their low strike-rate innings. They do not understand that Tamim always loses his partner when they start the innings and Tamim has to bat slowly. Mahmudullah plays at number seven and most of the time Bangladesh cannot even play 50 overs. So, Mahmudullah had to bat slow because he want to play as long as he can.

Anyways, I guess you are the one (and Sinthara too) I enjoy discussing cricket in this thread. Most of others are coming here to give us a overview of a match. It's like they are writing a short report. LOL.
Sithara is a cranky individual so careful sometimes she can be dangerous lol

Speaking of Bangladesh cricket, i am not going to sugarcoat at all. They are biggest disappointment on-off the field, virtually no performance but plenty of unnecessary drama and a big letdown for the cricketing community.

Likes of Sakhib, Das and Mustafizur still have some juice with some dignity but if i am being honest then everyone else seems a prime candidate for tablagi jamat similar to Rizwan or an extremely selfish player and due to recent events, You can also add Shakib to that selfish list.
582  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: November 17, 2023, 02:55:53 PM

Rohit Sharma on fire 🔥
Shubman Gill on fire 🔥
Virat Kohli on fire 🔥
Shreyas Iyer on fire 🔥
Kl Rahul on fire 🔥
SKY on fire 🔥
Shami on fire 🔥

If so many players of a team perform like a burning fire, then this year's World Cup trophy can definitely be expected for that team.
No need to jinx it tho lol, pata chale ki b***n chod sab phush ho jaye Sunday ko. Bada wala KLPD ho jayega.  Grin

One generation already lived through 2003 heartbreak so don't want to see another generation to witness the same experience or maybe some might call it a mental trauma.
583  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: November 17, 2023, 12:09:42 PM
I am not sure what good this can do to the Pakistani team. He will be replaced by whom? The most prominent name that I am hearing is that of Shaheen Shah Afridi, but I am quite skeptical about his role as the captain. Even as an opening bowler, there have been numerous occasions when he crumbled under pressure. I would rather go with someone with a bit more maturity, such as Fakhar Zaman or Mohammad Rizwan. At least I would prefer a batsman rather than one of the bowlers. Shaheen Shah needs more time to learn maturity.

It was all because of his father in law (Shahid Afridi) efforts. Shaheen was Pakistan main bowler in this world cup and he along with Haris was a total disaster.
PCB also appointed new Chief Selector i.e Wahab Riaz and Muhammad Hafeez was given the role of Director of Men's cricket team. All coaching staff is replaced or few already resigned. That's why Mikey Arthur was coaching Pakistan team via Zoom session. He knew that he can be sacked on any fine morning.

Babar stepping down from captaincy is good for him. Having said that, it's kind of hilarious and surprising to see that within an hour of his resignation, PCB appointed new captains for all formats. It's like everything was pre planned and they were ready with everything.

No discussion or pretending to set up a committee whatsoever, just another normal day at PCB's office.

He probably was given option that you step down yourself or we remove you from captaincy. Everything was already planned.
Oh well, it's not like he's the first captain to resign without any drama and considering how PCB works, he won't be the last. 

Wahab Riaz and Hafeez getting a big role in PCB looks strange to me. Last year these guys were playing PSL and guess one of em already had his name drafted for the next season, i could be wrong but it's a hilarious situation if they feature in the PSL.
584  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: November 16, 2023, 05:34:03 PM
^^ I think they have a pretty good and competitive team in the T-20 and plenty of young talent in the mix so it's more than enough for a short burst. Not sure if the inclusion of Shoaib Malik would be a wise decision if they green light him.

Meanwhile, BCCI and CA are playing another T-20 bilateral series just after the ODI WC, looks like an audition for IPL and 2024 WC so expecting 2nd string squads for both teams.

No surprise there. Even before the start of the ODI World Cup, both the BCCI and Cricket Australia arranged a bilateral ODI series between them and it helped both the teams to properly prepare ahead of the tournament. The timing is just around right, as the IPL is some 3-4 months away. And usually in bilateral T20I matches, both the teams usually rest most of their star players and give opportunities for the second string players. So we can expect players such as Sanju Samson, Shahbaz Ahmed, Avesh Khan and Rituraj Gaikwad to be included in the squad for this series.
Useless bilateral but surely good for young players as they hardly get a chance to represent India in internationals.

IDK where but I do remember reading that they are looking at Rutu Gaikward and another guy (Forget his name) as potential captain for this series, not Sanju. Starting to think that there must be something going on in between management and Sanju.  Tongue
585  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 16, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
Also, i don't think discussions about personal achievements are completely fair. The dude has scored more than half of his tons in chasing targets successfully and no other player comes close. The kind of consistency he provides in the ODI format is unmatchable so i believe fans should cut him some slack.

I don't disagree with you either. I know he is one of the best batters of all time. I know about his achievements and what he did. But I guess you got what I pointed out. I was talking about this particular match which is the Semi Final of the World Cup and what I believe is, that this is not the match where some one should play for their personal achievements.

I do not have any problem if he plays with 50-strike rate. I don't have any problem even if he plays with 50 strike rates in the World Cup Final too. But that does not look good when someone pick such match for personal achivement. You might have different point of view.
Well, Indian fans are biased for their cricketing heroes but they are not braindead for sure, i understand you used this as an example but still no matter how big a player is if he's playing with 50 or 70 SR in ODI then he'll face criticism, and for the right reasons. One example is see fans react to Kohli in the T-20 format, he faces criticism over his SR regularly but in the ODI virtually never.

Also, in the cricket field context matters, like in low scoring matches where every batter is shitting bricks. One batter scoring 80 odds runs with 50 SR is pure gold. On the other hand, if it's an absolute road then even 117 runs with 103 SR looks okayish (Kohli), not bad enough to attract any criticism but not as great as 105 runs with 150 SR (Iyer). 

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For a few moments it looked like we'd have some tight finish but now we are back to normalcy.

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Ah 1 more down, can we expect some twist?
586  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 16, 2023, 01:47:22 PM
Proteas had one strength in this WC, batting first and outbat their opponent and putting them out of the game convincingly but here comes the knockout and they are back to their usual stuff of choking.

Dream run and tons of potential but looks like their journey ends tonight and seems to be a one sided victory for Australia, only a miracle or some ridiculous bowling spell could save the SA.
587  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: November 16, 2023, 11:04:14 AM
Babar Azam step down as captain from all three formats and guess who has replaced him as captain? Shaheen Afridi will captain Pakistan in T20 while Shan Masood will captain Pakistan in Test format. Shaheen shah has a strong lobby in PCB who is backed by his father in law Shahid Afridi. Despte his poor performance in ODI World Cup he has given the role of captaincy in T20 format. Shan Masood who was not even part of Pakistan test team is now included as captain.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/babar-azam-resigns-as-pakistan-captain-in-all-formats-1408942
Babar stepping down from captaincy is good for him. Having said that, it's kind of hilarious and surprising to see that within an hour of his resignation, PCB appointed new captains for all formats. It's like everything was pre planned and they were ready with everything.

No discussion or pretending to set up a committee whatsoever, just another normal day at PCB's office.
588  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 16, 2023, 10:46:14 AM
He was but I think one batter is allowed to run a ball inning when other batters around him going over 120-140 SR for example Gill and Iyer. Both of them especially the latter built his inning around Kohli. One played an anchor inning and the other opted for an aggressor so it worked out perfectly.

I understand it that's how things work generally. But we are talking about an ICC tournament and we are in a Semi-Final match where no one should look for their personal achievement. Fortunately, things went well for India and they have scored very well in the last five overs. They almost reached the 400 total. About anchor innings, we need anchor innings once we see they lose a couple of wickets. But India has enough wickets in hand and they are playing a Semi-Final match of the World Cup! You might have a different point of view, but as a responsible player, no one should look for their personal achievements in such matches. It's fine if they do it in other tournaments.
It's not like I don't agree with you but sometimes it's necessary to play the anchor inning and it's not like it's the first time for Kohli. He played such innings many times when the team is batting first, one potential reason is when the team bats first, you are never sure about what's the good target to set and it's true for every team. At the same time when Kohli chases the target, it's a completely different ball game. He still plays an anchor inning but he goes into beast mode after scoring 50 and almost every time ends his inning with a high SR. His career SR is 93

One must also look at the anchor inning build-up and how one finishes his inning. In the case of Kohli, his first 50 runs came in 59 balls and the next 67 runs came in 54 balls and he ended his inning with 103 SR which isn't juicy or provides enough adrenaline rush in the context of the high scoring match but its hardly considered as bad inning.     

Also, i don't think discussions about personal achievements are completely fair. The dude has scored more than half of his tons in chasing targets successfully and no other player comes close. The kind of consistency he provides in the ODI format is unmatchable so i believe fans should cut him some slack.
589  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 15, 2023, 03:11:24 PM
Did Shami just drop the World Cup?

Still a mountain to climb for the Kiwis but this drop catch of Williamson might cost dearly and hurt badly if this partnership keeps going like this. India needs a breakthrough badly and the sooner the better.

Mitchell is looking dangerous but Kane Mama looks lucky af tonight, already survived a close run out, was saved by the umpire's call, a couple of close inside edges and 1 sitter.
590  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 15, 2023, 12:35:23 PM
Who else thinks that Virat was desperately looking for another Ton which is why he was playing slowly compared to other batters? It's not a pitch to play with a 100-strike rate. Virat's strike rate was below a hundred even after he completed his century. Sometimes these personal achievements affect the team. Virat could have batted better than how he played today.

This is a pitch where everyone expecting a 400 run innings from team India. But as I said, Virat was playing for his personal achivement and not for the team. I hate it when players play for the personal achivements!
He was but I think one batter is allowed to run a ball inning when other batters around him going over 120-140 SR for example Gill and Iyer. Both of them especially the latter built his inning around Kohli. One played an anchor inning and the other opted for an aggressor so it worked out perfectly.

Also, you have to look at how Kohli went to his inning after scoring 50, his last 67 runs came much quicker with better SR and that's his template throughout his career. The batters did their job now time for the bowlers to finish the job, hope good run for the bowlers.


591  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 15, 2023, 10:16:36 AM
Folks are saying that it's a spin pitch but if the deck was rank turner then India would have gone with the 3 spinner and last i checked Ashwin is warming the bench.

Ravichandran Ashwin have been warming the bench ever since the tournament started. IMO, he could have been included in the playing XI at least for the match against Netherlands, but the selectors decided against it. Apparently Kohli & Co. are biased against Ashwin and irrespective of whether there is any truth in these allegations or not, I don't think that he's being treated fairly. BTW, looking at the bowling from Rachin Ravindra and Mitchell Santner so far, I don't think that the pitch is offering any undue advantage for the spinners.
I don't believe there is a conspiracy against Ashwin in this setup. Team is playing as a unit and the dressing room environment looks chill because no one seems to be unsecured and they are enjoying each other success. Having said that if the format was Test then there might be some truth to it but again in white ball cricket i don't see any discrimination against him and i am Ashwin's fan.

Yeah, one could argue that he could have played against the Dutch but again there is a counterargument, why do you want to change the winning combination in the first place?
592  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 15, 2023, 09:39:35 AM
There are reports out regarding the home team meddling with the pitches that are to be used in this match to be in their favor. They have new pitches available in this ground and yet they are using an used pitch that conducted two matches earlier in the league, both the times, the team batting first won by huge margin and India choose to bat in that same pitch, so not expecting any surprises.
It is not a huge surprise that the home team can chip in about the kind of pitch they wanted in the match, ICC will overlook on these selection process to make sure that the pitch is good enough for the match and there is no stipulation as per the rule book that a new pitch should be used for the semifinal or finals  Wink.

India off to a flying start and if they score anything below 350 then it is a disappointment with the kind of start they got from Rohit Sharma.
Not meddling with the pitch but they opted for a used pitch that was prepared for SA vs ENG. In the 2023 T-20 WC too (Aus), The organizers also used old pitches so you're correct, it's quite normal and there is no such thing as fresh pitches for the knockouts. One can go with a used or completely fresh pitch.

Folks are saying that it's a spin pitch but if the deck was rank turner then India would have gone with the 3 spinner and last i checked Ashwin is warming the bench.

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Another good knock from Brohit and he's only looking out for the Team's interest but I would not mind if he goes carefully with his business, especially after such a start and maybe try to stay on the crease for at least 20 overs.
593  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: November 15, 2023, 06:29:44 AM
^^ I think they have a pretty good and competitive team in the T-20 and plenty of young talent in the mix so it's more than enough for a short burst. Not sure if the inclusion of Shoaib Malik would be a wise decision if they green light him.

Meanwhile, BCCI and CA are playing another T-20 bilateral series just after the ODI WC, looks like an audition for IPL and 2024 WC so expecting 2nd string squads for both teams.

594  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: November 15, 2023, 06:18:36 AM
Just for Luls, You know what would be funny?

South Africa and New Zealand beating their respective opponent in the Semis, it would be a big *uck you moment for PIG-3 as one is already crippled and kicked out.

We'll also have a new World Champion as both teams failed to win the ODI WC, like a million times.
I wouldn't mind that at all if I am being honest. Both South Africa and New Zealand resemble RCB and KXIP who are literally dying to win the cup atleast once just like England in the last edition.

India/Australia winning would resemble CSK/MI in this context and are predictable winners.
I don't think any team should be compared with KXIP because this franchise has one of the worst cricketing ecosystems because of the owner, no one gets the freedom to run the squad for long at least in support staff or Skipper for that matter.

But if want to compare then maybe BCB or PCB board might be suitable candidates.
595  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 14, 2023, 02:20:34 PM
Trent boult? He's been average so far, yes he got two 3s but other than 1-2s and in two games 0. In spin department, they only have Santner as main line spinners, others are all rounders, he's been most consistent bowler in their team, his spells only didn't work in their match against Pakistan.

They only do well in battling dept when Ravindra or Mitchell make centuries at least  Roll Eyes

Conway made century in first game, other than nothing much for him.
In 2019 WC too, Trent Boult had similar numbers and the semifinal equation was also the same ( 1-India vs 4-New Zealand). Boulty boy bagged 2 wickets and one of em was a prize wicket of Kohli.

At that time our scorecard was 5/3 in just 3 overs and it became a kind of meme on the interweb so be careful if you are an Indian fan. Hum toh sala nervasa rahe hain ki kahin bhokal na macha de ei budbak Boult.
596  Local / India / Re: ICC World Cup 2023 - India discussion on: November 14, 2023, 02:05:15 PM
Australia vs India in finals.
The world is not ready for another Pen Chor vs Cunts. 2003 final was more than enough for one lifetime lol Grin
597  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: November 14, 2023, 07:05:38 AM
After the first 2 defeat, Australia bounce back well tho and everyone chipped in, including top order, middle order and bowlers as well so they are on the right track despite their recent meltdown against Afghanistan.

So far, SA is dominating when batting first but at the same time they look completely different outfit when chasing the target so it'll be an interesting contest if they win the toss.
Australia's main weakpoint is the fact that they aren't able to win easily if their top order falls quickly. Maxwell miracle was an insane exception. They are over-dependent on Warner and Marsh basically.

On the other hand, South Africa are also over-dependent on De Kock to some extent, but they manage well without him more often than not.
Just for Luls, You know what would be funny?

South Africa and New Zealand beating their respective opponent in the Semis, it would be a big *uck you moment for PIG-3 as one is already crippled and kicked out.

We'll also have a new World Champion as both teams failed to win the ODI WC, like a million times.
598  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 14, 2023, 05:45:35 AM
ICC rankings (White ball) are a joke and context matters most. The red ball ranking still has some juice in it.

Any Player and team can achieve a high ranking easily if they keep playing against 2nd string team, similar to Pakistan. They played a fair amount of ODI but top teams like NZ, AUS, ENG fielded their 2nd string team because at that time everyone's focus was on the Test series and IPL, also it was pandemic bubble time.

Another example is that you hardly see Big teams fielding their full strength team in bilateral. ENG, AUS, IND are prime examples and in recent times NZ also started doing this. On the other hand, Pakistan always goes with the full strength team even against ZIM.

Franchise cricket is getting more and more important for the players. Players such as Trent Boult have completely stopped playing international cricket outside the ICC tournaments. This has many positives as well as negatives. One of the positives is that younger players get a chance to represent their national sides, and this is very evident in the case of teams such as England and New Zealand. Also, there is no point for teams such as Australia to field their full-strength squads, against weaker teams such as West Indies or Sri Lanka.
Not only that, All Big Cricket boards have different priorities nowadays. They are following a rotation policy way too seriously, considering their packed schedule.

If we look at a yearly basis then after 2019 ODI WC, the Likes of Cummins, Starc, Bumrah, Shami, Sharma, Kohli, Root, Kane, Wood, Stokes etc played a handful of ODI cricket, some due to injuries and some schedules.
599  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: November 13, 2023, 06:18:15 PM
Australia is quite strong with their batting line up too. I'm expecting a competitive match between Australia and South Africa in the semi-final. South Africa had won easily against Australia in the group stage match. But I hope Australia will be able to beat them in the semi-final.The betting odds is in favour of Australia, and it is around 1.70× now.
Yeah. Australia's batting line-up is great too and they excel in critical matches, but they have been inconsistent throughout this tournament so far while South Africa have been a bit more consistent than them in all areas.

Am expecting a proper contest between both these teams and I truly hope South Africa doesn't choke once again.
After the first 2 defeat, Australia bounce back well tho and everyone chipped in, including top order, middle order and bowlers as well so they are on the right track despite their recent meltdown against Afghanistan.

So far, SA is dominating when batting first but at the same time they look completely different outfit when chasing the target so it'll be an interesting contest if they win the toss.
600  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! on: November 13, 2023, 05:21:18 PM
ICC rankings (White ball) are a joke and context matters most. The red ball ranking still has some juice in it.

Any Player and team can achieve a high ranking easily if they keep playing against 2nd string team, similar to Pakistan. They played a fair amount of ODI but top teams like NZ, AUS, ENG fielded their 2nd string team because at that time everyone's focus was on the Test series and IPL, also it was pandemic bubble time.

Another example is that you hardly see Big teams fielding their full strength team in bilateral. ENG, AUS, IND are prime examples and in recent times NZ also started doing this. On the other hand, Pakistan always goes with the full strength team even against ZIM.
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