.... the instinctive reaction for the US authorities to put the military on the streets show this has a long way to go. The State is doubling-down on the State-sanctioned violence and oppression that has precipitated and inflamed the crisis, instead of seeking urgent and lasting resolutions inside their own agencies of the State where the problems clearly lie. The parallels with the bungling public health response to the pandemic inside public health state agencies is not coincidental but symptomatic of broad institutional decay and dysfunction.
It wont end until the whole of the militarized apparatus of State oppression is dismantled and scrapped now. The military should only ever be retained for defending against external threats, never turned upon the people who pay their wages, that's the final turn of the vicious spiral into anarchic civil war (suspension of habeas corpus). Police were only ever meant to be Officers of the Peace, never Law Enforcement. After total War the military hands over control of the streets to Officers of the Peace; militarisation of the police and putting military on the streets is naturally escalating society back to wartime conditions.
None of this is unexpected, it has been happening gradually in clear sight for those willing to see, only now it has accelerated to the point when it is plain for all to see. Effectively, USA is already in the early stages of a state of civil war.
Abraham Lincoln spoke of government "of the people, by the people, for the people". This was the ideal of democracy. It seems it has now become government "against the people, versus the people, over the people". Is this is what American "democracy" has become? No thinking person is advocating anarchy. Without basic law and order, corporations and other criminals would take over. We do need community-level policing. The problem is indeed the militarization of what should be a constabulary of local residents. Constables should be known to other local residents on a personal level. Even in big cities, this is possible on a neighborhood-to-neighborhood basis. Constables should display their names with pride. Military and paramilitary forces should only be used against foreign threats. Unfortunately, the Military-Industrial Complex that Dwight Eisenhower warned about has become too profitable to be sustained by defense and has increasingly relied on offense to keep up the revenues. Political bribery (lobbying) means that governments are for sale to the highest bidder. _____ What can be done? Constitutional changes should outlaw lobbying and limit police use of force. The military should be be used only for national defense, not for international meddling nor domestic political purposes. Military budgets should be reduced in an orderly fashion so as not to trigger a military takeover. The military should be used domestically primarily to control police excesses. As I mentioned, Law Enforcement should be replaced with local constabularies with only a basic federal force to keep the police in line. The whole dirty little system of spying on and keeping files on citizens should be dismantled. It would be best if this were done peacefully but we all know that more likely those who wield the power now won't give it up without a fight. I agree with everything you say Jimbo, except the last paragraf, I think it can be done peacefully, but i think it takes some kind of major event that changes the sentiment of the society to do that. |
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An autopsy report talks about "potential intoxicants"?
It's a preliminary report only, the final report is yet to come, presumably with a toxic report. The coroners report is in, and he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him.
I see. Ok Jimbo, let me refrase that. The coroners preliminary report is in, and it seems like he died from medical problems in conjunction with possible drugs, the cop might not have killed him |
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he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him Sounds alot like saying those with underlying problems will die from Corona so its not the superflu its just your underlying condition, easy diagnosis. ... isn't it even worse that George Floyd was having a heart attack and the cops were kneeling all over him, and on his neck, instead of rendering assistance unlike psychopathic inhuman beasts, than if they simply executed him by asphyxiation from kneeling on his neck? Don't know if it's worse, but it 's definitely just as bad. |
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Ok you can join Roach and Ibian on ignore.
Ok snowflake. |
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Be clear Arrie..its a fact for you. Our subjective experiences of what we call reality induces biases that are sometimes hard to peer around. Work on it is my advice.
Read this, is my advice. https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-fact-and-opinion.htmlDefinition of Fact The fact is something, that has actually taken place or known to have existed, which can be validated with pieces of evidence. They are strictly defined, and can be measured, observed and proven. It refers to something that makes statements true and used in connection with research and study. A fact can be an event or information, based on real occurrences which can be tested through verifiability, i.e. they are supported by proofs, statistics, documentation, etc. Therefore, a fact is nothing but a verifiable truth or reality which are agreed upon by consensus of people. Definition of Opinion The term ‘opinion’ is defined as the personal view or judgment about a subject, that may or may not be substantiated by the facts or positive knowledge. In other words, an opinion is an inconclusive statement, used in subjective matters, which cannot be proved true or false. It is what a person thinks or feels about something or someone. Hence it is not a true but biased information. Opinion is highly influenced by a person’s feelings, thoughts, perspective, desires, attitude, experiences, understanding, beliefs, values, etc., which cannot be tested by concrete evidence. Therefore, due to individual differences, every person’s opinion on a particular matter is also different. "Key Differences Between Fact and Opinion The difference between fact and opinion on the following grounds: The fact is described as the statement that can be verified or proved to be true. Opinion is an expression of judgment or belief about something. Fact relies on observation or research while opinion is based on assumption. The fact is an objective reality whereas opinion is a subjective statement. Facts can be verified with the help of evidence or statistics. On the contrary, opinion is not supported by any evidence. Facts explain what actually happened. Unlike an opinion, that represents a perception about something. One important feature of the fact is that it is universal and does not differ from person to person. As against this, every human being has a different opinion on a particular subject and so, it varies from one person to another. Facts are shown with unbiased words, however, opinion is expressed with biased words. Facts can change anybody’s opinion, but vice versa is not possible. Facts are real information and so it cannot be challenged or debated, but if we talk about opinions, they can be debated." |
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the flapping of a butterfly's wings...
Probably doesn't make any difference at all, but it does make for som good sci-fi books and movies. |
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Be clear Arrie..its a fact for you. Our subjective experiences of what we call reality induces biases that are sometimes hard to peer around. Work on it is my advice.
No, facts are not subjective, that's just another leftist narrative. Facts are facts and the rest is opinion. |
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It's not a belief Hairy, its a fact.
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Does anyone have a link to the actual autopsy report?
This is all we have so far. https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf"The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death." But, hey. Since I'm a racist I guess that's not a fact. Edit: Note that although I posted this before Hairy edited his post to include the part of the report that he, as a leftie, think we should know about, I quoted the whole thing so that anyone can make up their own mind from ALL the facts. As usual the left only gives you what supports their narrative. |
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The autopsy report attributes his death to “being restrained, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system”
It is an autopsy report. It is supposed to be based exclusively on medical science.
You cannot attribute as a cause of death something for which there is no evidence. “Any potential intoxicants” is something for which there is no evidence. Therefore it cannot be a cause of death.
The autopsy report is fundamentally flawed and part of an attempted cover up.
An autopsy report talks about "potential intoxicants"? I thought autopsies included blood tests, including intoxicants. Sounds like a cover-up to me too. Whether or not the coroner was a willing participant is the question. Coroners can be scared shitless of law enforcement brutality too. It's a preliminary report only, the final report is yet to come, presumably with a toxic report. |
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Haha are you going to quote the Daily Stormer for your next “fact”?
So, for a leftie a fact is not a fact if it comes from someone that the left doesn't like, check. |
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From the Wikipedia article on Antifa  From Trump’s twitter feed two hours ago  The President is using this moment to do the work of a Russian sponsored botnet. What a joke You do know that the founder of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, recently said that Wikipedia has been kidnapped by the left and that the neutrality doctrine, the so called NPOV-policy, for all practical purposes are gone, don't you? And then he gave a bunch of examples, for example how the article on Obama omits his scandals and is written in a overall positive tone, while the article on Trump has a lot of scandals and is written in a overall negative tone. |
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Anyhow, it's mothers day today, hope you paid your mother a visit today, (or otherwise congratulated her).
I gave my mother a watch and my brother and his wife gave her one of those heavy covers that's supposed to make you sleep better, don't know what they are called in English. It was a beautiful day, we had dinner in the garden.
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those aren't rioters, they are real protesters.
I have seen video of them fighting over security barriers with the riot police. Your distinction lacks merit. The argument you are using is the “no true Scotsman fallacy”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_ScotsmanYou are having to resort to crappy argument because you are a racist. And I am calling you out on that. On what basis? Not liking riots? Don’t play dumb. You are the one calling blacks rioters and whites protestors. You are the one who is playing dumb I said most rioters not all, as in the majority. I never said all of them are black. That's you distorting my words to fit your narrative. You lefties always do that, when someone has a different opinion than you, he is always a racist or fascist or nazi. In the words of Charlie Kirk "Systemic, racially-biased police brutality is a lie not rooted in statistics or data. Tragedies are real, but don’t misrepresent the data. Facts matter." https://twitter.com/charliekirk11?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctw |
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those aren't rioters, they are real protesters.
I have seen video of them fighting over security barriers with the riot police. Your distinction lacks merit. The argument you are using is the “no true Scotsman fallacy”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_ScotsmanYou are having to resort to crappy argument because you are a racist. And I am calling you out on that. On what basis? Not liking riots? |
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I see a bunch of, mostly young, black, and bored, people using this persons death as a bad excuse to loot and riot.
I also see in the very near future the military regaining control of your cities and restoring order.
I also see four cops being charged in the near future.
What I never see is white people rioting and looting when a white person is being shot by the police.
The poor rednecks of the trailer parks do not loot their neighborhood, if anything, they arm themselves and protect their neighborhood.
Remember, more white people are killed by the police yearly than blacks, yet no white riot.
The rioters outside the White House are almost entirely white so far as I can see. People of all colors are angry about racism.  those aren't rioters, they are real protesters. And he was resisting arrest and threw himself on the ground several times, they could not get him in the police car. I don't really see what else they could have done. |
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The coroners report is in, and he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him. But he did nothing to try to revive him either, so, still an asshole.
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more white people are killed by the police yearly than blacks
What's the per capita figure?mmmmmmmm
time for a bit of "me time" I think
a quick wank never hurts...  Unless you have been chopping chili peppers Voice of experience? I don't know, I suck at math, that's why I'll never ace the Swedish SAT. But I was pretty close at 1,9 (max is 2,0). But here are some numbers, according to Washington, post 1004 people was killed by the police in 2019. 370 of them was white, 235 black and 158 latinos. over the last three years 1226 white, 667 black and 485 latinos were killed by police. more than 300 of them were unarmed and close to 100 were under 18. |
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I see a country descending into open rebellion against its oppressive, unjust, inequitable Police State.
There is no greater symbolism of the endless systemic oppression than an agent of the state kneeling on the neck of a totally incapacitated dying man in the street.
I don't see this uprising ending until vast swathes of the dystopian police state apparatus, ideology and funding empires are dismantled and dumped in the dustbin of history. For over 50 years they have resisted all attempts to be reformed peacefully so they will only go violently.
The people have finally woken up and The People always get the final say in matters of the nature of the state. Look it up, it's in the Declaration of Independence. There's 40 million recently unemployed Americans and probably tens of millions more disaffected enough to take to the streets. At most the US armed state agencies could rally perhaps a few million. In the end its just math.
Ultimately its about freedom.
I see a bunch of, mostly young, black, and bored, people using this persons death as a bad excuse to loot and riot. I also see in the very near future the military regaining control of your cities and restoring order. I also see four cops being charged in the near future. What I never see is white people rioting and looting when a white person is being shot by the police. The poor rednecks of the trailer parks do not loot their neighborhood, if anything, they arm themselves and protect their neighborhood. Remember, more white people are killed by the police yearly than blacks, yet no white riot. |
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