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3441  Economy / Marketplace / Re: I'm considering starting a PayPal->Bitcoin business on: August 28, 2011, 05:52:46 AM
It's not hard to do at all. Paypal doesn't require an amount to be an account, and to them you paid someone for a service(you'd obviously mark what the transfer is). They can't charge back you or the other account for paying another account for a service. EBay can't either.

Seriously people, I'm surprised no one has thought to even try it(instead of sit there and say what 'might' happen). I've been with Paypal since they first opened up and switch between 2 accounts(the main and another). Neither account is verified so there's nothing to draw apon. The point of all this is that there are loopholes around paypal.

People actually implemented it and got actual money frozen. It's not that it's 100% impossible, it's that you'd have to charge a mark up so high people will be better off opening a dwolla or other account.
3442  Economy / Marketplace / Re: I'm considering starting a PayPal->Bitcoin business on: August 28, 2011, 03:04:15 AM
You could toss it to another paypal addy listed under another name/email/etc. that isn't tied to an account. I've gotten around bad buyers on Ebay that way.

Paypal can disable that new account aswell.

They can follow the money.

In addition to this PayPal can and likely will require that you keep a % of sales in the account.
 
3443  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $80 Android Phone Sells Like Hotcakes in Kenya on: August 28, 2011, 02:08:02 AM
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We’ve seen smartphones adopt all kinds of medical technology, from digital stethoscopes to cancer diagnosis, and I’m hopeful that we’ll see similarly stunning med-tech reach even the remotest areas one day.

I'm calling bullshit on this one...

WTF is an 80 dollar phone?  My phone cost me 0$..BUT you have to sign up for a 3 yr contract where you have to give up your first born to pay for it....and that's in CANADA!

What kind of contract do these unfortunate soles have to subscribe to to get their $80 phone?

This whole article is bullshit without the OP stating the 'total cost of ownership'.

Gawd shit like this makes me so mad....



Surely not BS. In kalifornia I got a decent smartphone for $125, maybe $150, no contract required, I bought minutes and data from some second rate provider cheap, can stop anytime and keep the phone. There should be a $50 smartphone already imo, $80 is far from unbelievable.
3444  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Coin Wars on: August 28, 2011, 01:57:38 AM
Sometimes the option to upgrade something is completely missing. Was gone, back, gone again now.

edit: Back again. Improving cropland (and everything else) tells me "Not enough food. Improve cropland." I don't actually have enough resources yet, so maybe it will let me when I do, we'll see.
3445  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Coin Wars on: August 27, 2011, 10:32:50 PM

So yeah, those rules either have to be re-written or, and this thought as well as general priorities led to me not re-writing the whole thing on the spot when I came across it, we could figure heck let outsiders think all that crap so they don't come barging in purely to complain that our rules do not include all that crap.

(Maybe even pseudocode for rules display along the lines of "if not logged on, then yada yadda blah blah bullshit crap all the usual junk else hey by the way, we are here to have fun with our digital collectables, wanna buy some blockchain based collectables or hire players as mercenaries by bribing them with your digital collectables? Meanwhile here is all the usual crap the people on the outside see, obviously we aren't particularly concerned about the blah blah fiat money blah blah government money blah blah crap. Oh and by the way if you wanna run robots or browser plugins how much you willing to pay for the privilege in what kinda coin?")

tl;dr Use some common sense fergoshsakes! Wink

-MarkM-


I wouldn't mislead outsiders as to what they are getting into. Just embrace what you (we) think is a better way and attract people that agree.

What I think would be most fun would be allowing everything to be bought and sold for bitcoin credits on your account and not worrying if people give stuff away or trade for other currency out of the games system. I would expect a lot of people buying things with the expectation that they could use the things to make more stuff faster and resell for profit, essentially a skill game played for money, with a sort of built in freeroll for everyone.
3446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the market cap of all alternative crypto-currencies combined? on: August 27, 2011, 10:13:32 PM
I'd call it 101% of bitcoin cap.
3447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm the Bitcoin Roadtrip guy. I'm planning to live in Portland, OR on BTC alone. on: August 27, 2011, 09:42:13 PM
It is if he says he's going to live on BC alone. 

That could mean a lot of things. Trading coins for dollars seems lame, but why are dollars special? He's going to trade the coins for something, can't eat them afaik. Is it more impressive if he buys walmart giftcards instead? Better if he has someone buy food for him with their own dollars first then gives them coins?

I think the best realistic statement would be "I'm only going to trade my labor and product for Bitcoins and I am going to save any excess value in Bitcoins." The details of whether you buy dollars yourself to get goods or have another person handle that is pretty inconsequential.
3448  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Coin Wars on: August 27, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
ohh, you just acquired this game? I assumed you'd had it and were just adding some kind of (bit)coin functionality. So you are planning on allowing all the 'one-way' transfers people want, most of them I assume would be sales for bitcoin? are you even going to add the "sell to so-and-so for X bitcoin" functionality explicitly into the interface?
3449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm the Bitcoin Roadtrip guy. I'm planning to live in Portland, OR on BTC alone. on: August 27, 2011, 07:59:36 PM
Hugely disappointing if he ends up just exchanging bitcoins into dollars for anything.

I don't think that's what he's planning, but even earning only coins would be pretty cool. Paying a few major life expenses in coins would be impressive imo, but it's kind of silly at this point to insist the power company takes coins directly or else it's a fail.
3450  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pool hopping... ethical or not? on: August 27, 2011, 07:52:26 PM
wth @ this thread.

Is stopping mining immoral? Is starting to mine somewhere else immoral?

This is only an issue because amateurs get all in a tizzy about not getting paid during a disconnect.
3451  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What do I have to do to sell a T-Shirt? on: August 27, 2011, 07:47:52 PM
Honestly, when you said T-shirts for 1BTC. I was like "ok, I'll take two", then I saw them and I"ll pass. I don't want a giant record with a joint sitting on it. Now if that was what I wanted your version seems quite good.
3452  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What could cause an offline wallet.dat file to become worthless? on: August 27, 2011, 07:20:05 PM
yes the 100btc will still be there.

well that cdr would probably be toast, especially if you wrote onit with a sharpy and didn't buy achival cds.
Doesnt matter what the gov does, it could erase some of your transaction history but the coins would still be there.
 

If the government started mining from a block before the one containing his tx and that new chain keeps the lead and doesn't rerecord his tx the coins will not be there.
3453  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Coin Wars on: August 27, 2011, 06:55:44 PM
Giving it a try, looks pretty cool. Generally though I prefer games where rules are enforced by the logic of the code and I don't have to do a lot of work to ensure I'm not f'ing things up. It's like a chess program that lets you move the rook diagonally and uses a moderator to 'punish' you for it.

For example:

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In any 24 hour period, regular one-sided transfers with another player may only equal one hour of resource production, including marketplace transactions. One hour of resource production is the total of all resources produced in all villages without subtracting the upkeep for troops.
The abovementioned amount of resources must be split in cases of multiple regular one-sided transfers with more than one player. The size of the affected accounts does not matter.
Furthermore the player who sent as well as the player which received too many resources may be punished.

If your troops are reinforcing another player’s village which is under attack, you are allowed to send enough crop to that player to feed your troops.

I have no idea if this will actually be a problem, it's just not a great rule setup imo.
3454  Other / Meta / Re: Allowing alt chains to leverage forum readership @ bitcointalk? on: August 27, 2011, 06:32:16 PM
Afraid of competition? If Bitcoin could so easily get hurt from alt chains then I'm afraid it's not really a good store of value. Loss in hash rate should be negligible anyway because of merged mining.

Is merged mining for real?
3455  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Public opinion of Bitcoin on: August 27, 2011, 06:12:44 PM
Bruce does not owe us anything, and he gave so much already...

He is partially responsible for the "internet speed" of bitcoin.


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Bruce does not owe us anything, and he gave so much already...
...and like bloodsuckers, we want more.

Speaking for all here, unless somebody has a serious problem with Bruce, we applaud ALL your fine efforts. But if the general conscience (the jury is still out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39476.0) on one of your proposals points toward a potential detriment to Bitcoin, then this reality should be--and has been--brought to your attention.

Of course, I'm speaking of Pattaya. It seems like the majority here want it off the table. I guess were asking for one of two things: change the venue or address it, adding your professional wisdom to the issue. Perhaps we're not seeing the whole picture. If that's the case, draw it for us so we can happily join your camp and meet up under one wind resistant tent.

Bruno

Uh, what? If Pattaya is not a desirable place for people to meet then it just won't happen. If it is desirable then wtf do you have to do with what they want to do?

Are you worried that you'll accidentally go and not like it?
3456  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin store is moving merchandise! on: August 27, 2011, 05:00:56 PM


That is a big problem. When the exchange rate goes up my sales definitely increase. Right now the major slump seems to be due to the exchange rate.

Would it make sense to have sales when the value of the coin falls? You'll get to pick up more at the cheaper rate than most shops will. Eventually the expectation of sales when the value drops will keep people from worrying about the drops as much too.

not sure i get what your saying,
if the price goes up then their is more incentive to buy because your btc have more buying power.


Right, when the value/price of Bitcoin goes up they have lots of reason to buy (they are richer,more bang for 1 coin, etc) when the value/price of Bitcoin goes down, maybe offer a small discount so that you still get sales, otherwise you will tend to accumulate coins at their high price more often than their low price.
3457  Other / Meta / Re: Scammer Label on: August 27, 2011, 12:32:26 AM
It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.
3458  Economy / Economics / Re: possibility of increase user base for bitcoin... on: August 27, 2011, 12:10:25 AM
At this point we all know that uploaded.to accepts bitcoin as payment ...

http://uploaded.to/news/96/The+uploaded+summer+features
http://uploaded.to/register

 

I dunno about that. How would everyone know when it isn't on their front page or news section?
3459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin store is moving merchandise! on: August 26, 2011, 10:54:18 PM


That is a big problem. When the exchange rate goes up my sales definitely increase. Right now the major slump seems to be due to the exchange rate.

Would it make sense to have sales when the value of the coin falls? You'll get to pick up more at the cheaper rate than most shops will. Eventually the expectation of sales when the value drops will keep people from worrying about the drops as much too.
3460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what to charge for cold storage? on: August 26, 2011, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: FreeMoney

It costs the same amount to move 10000BTC as 1BTC and everyone knows it.

Not even close .  If something happened to one bitcoin I owe the guy 1 bitcoin.  10,000 and I owe him 100,000 USD


Okay sure.

Insuring (promising to repay if the coins are lost) depends completely on the amount.

But doing "Procedure X" on 1 coin costs the same as doing it on 10000.
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