I agree with most of what you've said. Some of them certainly aren't games and are just schemes, but then again so are some of the gambling sites, but I digress. If we're going to do something there still needs to be specific criteria to distinguish them from the rest in order to keep moderation fair and equal.
How about removing/relocating anything that doesn't have a "game" component or is not related to something that has a "game" component? All of these ponzi/pyramids are just "give me some money, you might get some back". There is no game component, and 'gambling' certainly implies if not out-rightly states that there is a game-based component. The argument could certainly be made that ponzis and pyramids fit more into the investment forum then the gambling forum, but I believe that they need to be put into their own sub-section, some sort of "investment-gambling-scheme" forum. Well that's the one part I disagree with you on, I do think they're a game. Only a ponzi in name. Though I do think they might be a better fit in games and rounds because of that. They literally do run rounds, though not necessarily forum based. It's a pretty specific game that caters to a specific audience, whereas the rest of gambling tends to be casino type places, which covers a large variety of games. Kind of like comparing a shell game to Hannah's Casino, bare basics are the same but they aren't really the same thing. |
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Well I could've used that yesterday. That's great, thanks.
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Lets ban all negative news. We all know that Bitcoin is heading to the moon, and people with different opinions might get in the way of me making money.
Won't anyone think of the speculators???!
Banned for being negative. kidding |
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First off, you're not a babysitter, but you're paid to do a job, and your job is to mod the forums and keep users safe. What you're saying is you're to lazy to do your job, but collect your paycheck anyway. That's fair I'm not your boss. Calling someone an idiot for not researching is really mod-like, users should not have to do research on something allowed by the forums, seriously people from Afghanistan have never heard of dinosaurs, how the fuck are they going to know a ponzi is bad?
Users shouldn't have to do their research before giving an anonymous dude on the internet their money? Really? I guess this whole argument can stop right here and we'll just agree to disagree. And as for the someone always loses, its not the same shit, stop making it seem like it is, losing without the chance to win is not the same thing as being bad at cards.
Okay then, how about roulette? Game of chance, and 99% of the people playing are going to lose, hell probably 100%. And how the hell are foreigners going to know what the word roulette means, I mean especially since in your world nobody should have to do any research before participating in these sorts of things. Here's a different way of looking at it: Do-dodo-dodo, whats this bitcoin stuff all about, I'm interested in getting into it, oooh gambling, I like that, let's see what my gambling options are with bitcoin, maybe some casinos, or poker, or a fun dice game https://i.imgur.com/9byslFt.png...oh. I guess it's all ponzis and other such investment schemes. I agree with most of what you've said. Some of them certainly aren't games and are just schemes, but then again so are some of the gambling sites, but I digress. If we're going to do something there still needs to be specific criteria to distinguish them from the rest in order to keep moderation fair and equal. |
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The thing about ponzis are someone always loses. They're not fair games. As you said they 'died off' pretty fast, the last people to play will 100% lose.
But they know that risk up front, if they want to take that risk who the fuck am I to tell them differently? Besides, doesn't somebody always lose? There's always a loser (usually multiple) in poker, should we stop those as well? How does everyone know the risk up front? Not everyone does. Then they're idiots for not doing their due diligence and figuring out how the game works before playing, I'm not a babysitter here to save people from their own stupidity. Nobody said a thing about it being a game of skill or luck. Your contention was that it isn't fair, because someone always loses, and what's what I was replying to. |
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The thing about ponzis are someone always loses. They're not fair games. As you said they 'died off' pretty fast, the last people to play will 100% lose.
But they know that risk up front, if they want to take that risk who the fuck am I to tell them differently? Besides, doesn't somebody always lose? There's always a loser (usually multiple) in poker, should we stop those as well? |
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I wasn't talking about that, I was just warning that spamming isn't a good way to bring up problems.
I've stayed out of these discussions until now because I hadn't really decided about it, but as far as I can tell they aren't even really ponzis, people just get mad when they see the word ponzi and dismiss it out of hand. It's just a game like any other. I don't remember people getting this mad about those bitgem or hot potato type games which are exactly the same thing. They also died off pretty fast, much like these will soon enough.
As for posts about gambling services (assuming I believe the "ponzis" to be gambling services) or sites, would you guys rather they all be moved to service discussion? To be honest IDGAF, but I'm not going to apply rules to one specific type of thread/service/game whatever that I don't apply to all. If threads talking about ponzis need to be moved to service discussion, then so does every thread talking about x gambling site that isn't started by the operator.
If those games are to be moved, what's the criteria that separates them? Ideally it would be more general than just "ponzis go here", cause a board for less than a dozen threads is pretty worthless.
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Someone was botting to game some stupid altcoin poll, they and all the IPs were banned earlier today. Was ~12k accounts.
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You should be much more worried about being hit by an asteroid.
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I don't really have much to say about the matter at hand, but for your idea specifically, spamming isn't a very appropriate reaction, you'll just get banned for it. And yes, I've banned several of those operators for spamming as well, mostly the ones that continuously bump their threads or advertise in other threads. I added the bumping rules to the marketplace guidelines thread here ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3629.msg5541656#msg5541656). |
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Funny thing is it would literally take the admins all of 10 minutes to do it.
That is if nothing goes wrong in the upgrade. And if it does people will be pissed.. they have to test before upgrading. And 2.0 has been out for if im no mistaken over 4 yrs now... either way, id bet a thousand bucks I could upgrade this site inside of 10 minutes and not break a thing. All it is doing is replacing old iles with new and modiying the DB slightly, that said if the admins here are comoetant (sp?) then they would have nightly backups to replace and even if smarter take a new backup and dump the site in maintenance mode before proceeding. I'm just sayin theres far to many excuses for not to have somethin done that is easily done without error if people know what theyre doing and by doing this fixes the so called loopholes that make them taake stuff like external avatar links etc. offline. I'd love to see tneymos take you up on this just to make an easy thousand bucks. Use escrow? This forum has many custom mods which would certainly break, no matter how much some guy on the internet insists. He wont and he'd be too invested just to set something up to where it does fail to get a thousand bucks. Sure, one could argue well why would he do that when he's sitting on over 80k in BTC. Answer: Because he could always use more money to sit on until the day something mysterious happens to the forum and everyone wonders what about all that BTC they donated over the years for promised upgrades that everyones still waiting on. You're out of date on your talking points. The trendy thing to be bitching about now is that theymos spent 'too much' on new software, not that he hasn't done anything with it |
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Funny thing is it would literally take the admins all of 10 minutes to do it.
That is if nothing goes wrong in the upgrade. And if it does people will be pissed.. they have to test before upgrading. And 2.0 has been out for if im no mistaken over 4 yrs now... either way, id bet a thousand bucks I could upgrade this site inside of 10 minutes and not break a thing. All it is doing is replacing old iles with new and modiying the DB slightly, that said if the admins here are comoetant (sp?) then they would have nightly backups to replace and even if smarter take a new backup and dump the site in maintenance mode before proceeding. I'm just sayin theres far to many excuses for not to have somethin done that is easily done without error if people know what theyre doing and by doing this fixes the so called loopholes that make them taake stuff like external avatar links etc. offline. I'd love to see tneymos take you up on this just to make an easy thousand bucks. Use escrow? This forum has many custom mods which would certainly break, no matter how much some guy on the internet insists. |
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What a bunch of derps. See what greed gets you?
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Maybe a compromise would be newbies are prohibited from making new threads outside beginners, but can reply to existing threads.
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ok if i ignore a person by mistake does the user receives any kind of notification like 'you have been ignored by blah blah user'  No. |
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People been saying this since bitcoin was worth less then a dollar, they'll be saying when it's worth far more than today.
Also lol at him being yet another altcoiner, I knew it before I even opened the thread, I could smell the fear.
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Should be fine as long as you still have control of that address.
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