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No answer from theymos so I'd assume it isn't going to happen. Not sure why, it makes perfect sense.
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IŽll leave that for someone else.
riverboatbitcoin.com IN A 94.75.199.221 1200s (20m)
94.75.199.221 is from Netherlands(NL) in region Western Europe
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RiverBoatBTC's Illegal site And remember, ponzis accept only cryptocoin, YOU accept also REAL MONEY.  Report it to the registrar - abuse@ahnames.comAnd the hosting company - http://www.leaseweb.com/en/about-us/contactlose btc today lose it tomorrow why does it matter your going to lose it ponzi boy
You think I just play ponzis all day or something lol? Only reason I'm talking so much about them is because of stupid threads like this. You are not doing the community any favour by making them lose their btc, idiot. It's actually really sad what you're doing. Almost all of you anti-ponzi guys talk like little kids, its hilarious.  No use arguing with them - dont feed the trolls. Just report his site Well RiverBoat, first of all I gotto give you that your website is really nice looking. But since you are all about prohibiting scammers I would advice you to remove PerfectMoney option. They have a long history of scams. Clean up on your front door first, right? However I got tempted to play a little bit on your site, since I actually do think its legit and looks fun. One thing is stopping me though, you claim to not have 50BTC to backup a big win. 50BTC should be peanuts for a "gambling site". That smells scam. Please can you expand what you mean with your statement about the 50BTC and you might have a new customer.
Don't go near his site. He's looking for a loan of 4-8btc for his bank roll. Any casino that is looking for that little is run by a scammer or someone who doesn't know what he's doing. Quote from the website "Q: What are the minimum and maximum bets in your games? (Back to top) A: The minimum bet in all of our games is $0.01. There is no maximum limit on the bets. " Yet he is looking for a 4-5 BTC loan LOL the site would be screwed if they had a big winner. O no, wait, they just wouldnt pay out hahaha. SCAM. Then you went in his thread and posted these replies. Well RiverBoat, first of all I gotto give you that your website is really nice looking. But since you are all about prohibiting scammers I would advice you to remove PerfectMoney option. They have a long history of scams. Clean up on your front door first, right? However I got tempted to play a little bit on your site, since I actually do think its legit and looks fun. One thing is stopping me though, you claim to not have 50BTC to backup a big win. 50BTC should be peanuts for a "gambling site". That smells scam. Please can you expand what you mean with your statement about the 50BTC and you might have a new customer.
Don't go near his site. He's looking for a loan of 4-8btc for his bank roll. Any casino that is looking for that little is run by a scammer or someone who doesn't know what he's doing. Quote from the website "Q: What are the minimum and maximum bets in your games? (Back to top) A: The minimum bet in all of our games is $0.01. There is no maximum limit on the bets. " Yet he is looking for a 4-5 BTC loan LOL the site would be screwed if they had a big winner. O no, wait, they just wouldnt pay out hahaha. SCAM. Sure sure guy, keep with the sheeple I'm just going with the facts in front of us Did some cut and pasting to place our discussion in the right thread. "Well RiverBoat, first of all I gotto give you that your website is really nice looking. But since you are all about prohibiting scammers I would advice you to remove PerfectMoney option. They have a long history of scams. Clean up on your front door first, right? However I got tempted to play a little bit on your site, since I actually do think its legit and looks fun. One thing is stopping me though, you claim to not have 50BTC to backup a big win. 50BTC should be peanuts for a "gambling site". That smells scam. Please can you expand what you mean with your statement about the 50BTC and you might have a new customer." I got it from a investment so it is there now, but thanks for reading  if I scam you on my site you can scream it from the roof topsGot any proof that you actually have it? No have lol This dude is a dodgy as all the ponzi operators he is trying to close down. It's time to turn the tables! this is when he started posting in your thread. Looks more like YOU started griefing him and calling him a scammer because of a "difference of opinion", now he's just returning the favor. Nothing worse than liars, stop trying to waste our time with bullshit you started. |
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There is an exact definition. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread. I don't know how much more clear it can be. And no it isn't different, it's still spam. I don't care if an OP says to do it, the OP doesn't determine the rules here, and he probably got banned for it too. Though it looks like he didn't even do that, you just can't read. Just like you can't read the reason you got banned on the login page. You're also a pretty terrible poster. All your posts are addresses or INTERESTED! ok i see ...now i get it what if you unlock my profile now,,,, and i promise,to stop the behaviour...? ok? and if i break my promise ban me forever ...i ll deserve it You will be unbanned in 14 days, and you will have your second chance then. |
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There is an exact definition. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread. I don't know how much more clear it can be. And no it isn't different, it's still spam. I don't care if an OP says to do it, the OP doesn't determine the rules here, and he probably got banned for it too. Though it looks like he didn't even do that, you just can't read. Just like you can't read the reason you got banned on the login page. You're also a pretty terrible poster. All your posts are addresses or INTERESTED! |
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Knowing someones full name and identity is never proof that said entity or person will not scam or cheat you. The only difference between being anonymous and being non-anonymous is that if the non-anonymous person wrongs you, you can go after him, you can never be sure he won't cheat you in the first place.
Indeed, most of the biggest scammers on this forum had their identities well known. It's the person that counts, a name is just a name. |
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Being anonymous (not that John was) doesn't automatically make someone untrustworthy, though it can be a warning sign. Valuing your privacy doesn't mean you're a criminal. Same reason I refuse entry/searches from the cops, I'm not doing anything wrong but I still value my rights and privacy.
Besides, theymos was right, John returned the forum's money. I don't know what the fucks going on with the escrow though, wouldn't care to speculate either, waste of time.
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I wouldn't get your hopes up, I doubt theymos knows much more about John's details than anyone else. I've had the same opportunities as John, and theymos has never once asked me for any personal details, and I've never offered them, and probably never will.
It does suck that it seems that John doesn't have any intention of following through with this escrow.
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are you sure ..? i mean it looks like of a 16year olds with all that video games and stuff ..? is he is one of the youngest millionaire :p .? how old he is now.? He probably was 16 when he made it, it hasn't been updated in a long time. He's 21 or 22 now. |
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Easiest thing to do would be to just make a separate HYIP board. Would also serve as a place for the leancy, roinvest, and whatever crap people are peddling these days. HYIP and gambling don't really belong together anyway, it's probably time to separate them.
They are much more accurately described as HYIP than games, I think we're just getting caught up in what it isn't, and missing what it is. When faced with the argument, 'It's not gambling, it isn't a game', then we end up debating whether it's a game or not. A better argument would be, 'It's a HYIP, and it doesn't belong with traditional gambling, and neither do the other sites like leancy.'
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IIRC, he's a college student who studies comp sci and watches anime.
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Oh come on that's ignorant as fuck where do we draw the line at what is a ponzi?
Maybe the title of the thread PONZI PONZI 120% can help with the line. Or the send bitcoin here and when the next person sends me bitcoin I'll send you yours plus 20% of his. How about no algorithm being used to define terms of the game?
That's not what he said, read it again. He's asking for the same thing I've been asking for, a clearly defined set of criteria to separate those sorts of games from the rest. Ideally it would be something a bit more elegant than 'lol it says ponzi in the title so off to ponziboard it goes'. And to get around your second criteria they could just start up the BitGem type games again. As for your third, that would cover quite a few games that you wouldn't want. Edit: Oh wait I remember where I recognize your name from, back on ignore you go. |
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Yeah I don't get that as a criticism. I've had people tell me Bitcoin should be banned because people use it to buy child porn and it's "anonymous". Do these people never consider that cash is far, far more anonymous than bitcoins, and used for far more nefarious activities?
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Also the answer isn't written in stone, he may still be swayed by reasonable arguments, but I don't really have a horse in this race, the extent of my gambling is hosting poker night at my place once in a while.
I'm still hoping that theymos changes his mind. I don't mind having ponzis on the site, I just dislike them in the gambling sub. Is the creation of a new sub for ponzis an option even on the cards? Yes, click the link at the top of the quote to be taken to the thread. Ponzi owners say to users that is "120%" "LEGIT" "STABLE" and other shit. They do not say - you MIGHT lost lost your money. When you place a bet @casino - you know what you are doing and you know before you place a bet that you can be a looser or a winner that is main different between Ponzi and other gambling projects. says "So, I could lose all my investment? -> Yes, that is the gamble you take when playing Ponzi games," and, "you should never deposit more than you can risk losing." Does this make PonziCoin not a ponzi? If there are many people who like traditional gambling games and not Ponzis, then a category should probably be created, but I'm not sure where the line would be drawn between Ponzis and other games. Maybe traditional games must be based 100% on chance? But that'd eliminate many other games as well. Are you serious? Casino games can be provably fair. You don't go in expecting to win. It's a chance.
If you're good at poker, you might go into a poker game expecting to win in a high percentage of games. Similarly, people skilled at playing Ponzis might expect to win often enough to get ahead. In both cases, newbies are very likely to lose a lot. I think that it might actually be possible to make a Ponzi game trustless using advanced Bitcoin features like LockTime. |
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As for the others, well the powers that be disagree.
Just so that everyone is clear, are you saying that the official stance of bitcointalk is that ponzis that have their own website belong in the "gambling" section? Also to clarify for anyone else that may be thinking the same thing you did, I am not the powers that be referenced there, I was talking with the admin at the time. If I were the powers that be, I certainly wouldn't call myself the powers that be, and I don't talk about myself in the third person either, that takes a special kind of asshole. I might be an asshole but I'm not that kind of asshole. Also the answer isn't written in stone, he may still be swayed by reasonable arguments, but I don't really have a horse in this race, the extent of my gambling is hosting poker night at my place once in a while. |
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As for the others, well the powers that be disagree.
Just so that everyone is clear, are you saying that the official stance of bitcointalk is that ponzis that have their own website belong in the "gambling" section? Yes. Not sure I understand. The "Investment opportunity" that pays 12% daily was moved to Games and Rounds? Not Securities? Aren't you trivializing "...English company formed by Mr. Farid Lee. Mr. Lee is an outstanding entrepreneur. He hired and formed a group of eight (  experts, who are responsible for managing investment funds in several investment tunnels"? (the smiley is actually numeral 8 after "eight" spelled out, just like in the Nigerian Prince investments) This is no game. Nowhere in the description is the word "game" even mentioned. What made you decide to put it in "Games and Rounds"? Because it's referral spam where he's paying people to sign up under him. |
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I already moved that thread when it was posted, it belongs in games and rounds, as does the leancy thread. The ponzi games without a website that are forum based belong in games and rounds, this one for example https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511355.0As for the others, well the powers that be disagree. |
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