Did you have 3 or more BJ and when did you ask for this? I asked in september...

No, i didn't received a Sierra for free, every time i talk about the sierra in this thread i talk about the case. I had more than 3 BJ, and i was lucky enough to have them converted to number of BJ/3 sierras. It's really only the case.

Every and each time that they claim that you received the MPP for free, i have to reply that this was not the case for me. I ordered only after two major events: the MPP and the Tapeout. It's only thanks to those two that batch 1 was sold out. And they know that. Another thing that they regardless like to do is to make you feel guilty "you already received the MPP, shut up".

If you are using php 3 with a bloated framework and mysql 4 with millions of rows and no indexes, yes, that would be the case.

If you are using anything more powerful than a RPi to run the web interface, regardless of how fancy it has to be, you are an idiot. And i'm looking forward for when you ship the BJ to see how much of an idiot you are.

(this adds to the list of inverted airflow in the sierra case, on the PSU that in your case standing to cyperdoc had the fan inverted because it was special, and something else more recent that i can't remember but that was even worse).

HF finally replied to my email. About MPP custom costs:

@allinvain, http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/628/how-do-i-configure-the-raspberry-pi-to-boot-with-an-nfs-root

@ninjarobot, if only you had brought a microphone with you that day... (btc refunds)...

>Why 400 we have 570 BJ in Batch one.
270 where converted to Sierra cases? (the 200 BJ order, mine's, and someone else's?)

Guys, i will tell you the reason why this is not gonna happen. john had 2 months to conclude a deal with a datacenter for that, and the best price he could came up with is one order of magnitude more of what i will pay for my hosting (the ratio, i mean, $/GH montly).

So no, they are simply gonna ship whatever possible, and if some customers won't receive it by the end of the year, those few will be able to ask for a refund. They have still plenty of time imho to ship. I hope not, but unfortunately... Customs... Customs are never overloaded if you pay enough.

@padrino (nice nickname); most laywers that i talked with are interested in getting me back the same amount of BTC i paid (and some wants a share of that). So given their business practices, etc, i think that there is a wide range of interpretation for what i deserve to have back.
I always asked for a refund, even before this price spike, and it was illegitimately denied. They promised BTC refunds, and the list goes on.

No one really sued BFL, and our HF case is much stronger than BFL. We have proofs that they lied to us to sell an overpriced product. There is not even a lot to discuss about, what they did was illegal.

I'm abroad as well, and i don't see a problem with that. (eu).

Probably HF. However it doesn't really mean anything, i think that all of us HF customers would have rather have CT Jan orders.

I will ask with the next round of emails and report back.
However, as someone pointed out, if one of us wins, you just have to repeat the procedure with every HashFast customers, and we all win, by pointing to the previous case. It's not technically a class action, but the final result is the same.

(and i'm quite sure that putting such points in the contract terms of sales will not help hashfast at all).

The forced arbitration point in their Terms of Sales is useless and void. Yes, you can have my word that someone will sue them. (And someone else after that)^n

You know, that was your mistake. HF already proved several times their intentions. A treat of a legal action won't change anything. We need a real legal action.

And, BTW, my lawyer accepts BTC. Does yours?

That's another question of mine that was ignored... Bah, let's reply take some time to reply to the lawyer instead of losing it on the forums...

I'm an idiot, and buying from hashfast was certainly enough of a cure.

So no data on how much he sold at and when? I remember that he wanted to buy my order for 1000$/each.

For how much did he sold them?
What do you mean by how many people to we have against them? Even a few BJ (10?) are enough to gather interests from a lawyer, due to the price spike...

I don't think that using some lawyer firm that works only on a success base will work. They are like an industry, i suppose. Our case is too strange to be assessed by those industries.

In other words, have you tried to contact them?

Instead of doing "+1" or claiming that you will see them in court, start coordinating with other users. Build relationships and ideas on how to proceed. It doesn't happen automatically.

There is not just me. There are several "reputable" (a word that has a strange meaning in the bitcoin world) customers that are eagerly awaiting to release their lawyer. D&T has plenty to choose from.
However i would be really happy if he decideds to coordinate it, he would have my money and full trust.

On a completely hypothetic scenario, what stops them from shipping 2 boards per bj with 2 dies on each board instead of 4? Nothing. No issue there. I keep betting that 99% they will ship by the end of year.

There is not a lot to decide, there is just to act. It's hard to realise but it's only legally that we will have back (a part of) what HF stole from us.
People with 1 order should probably aggregate with other people with one order and toghether join someone doing a class action, regardless of how that is forbidden from the terms of sales (that i keep calling tos even if it now is terms and conditions of sales).

My thread didn't have any success at all, all you guys were still blinded by HF. It's however not the case anymore, and a lot of good things are happening on our side.