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HF will have to give him his BTC back. It's only a matter of when. They could do it silently and offer him an extra by making him to sign an NDA for that, and it would make a lot of sense.
Jimmy stand something like a 99% chance of a legitimate refund. Everyone else in batch 1, i dare to say, 80%?
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Do you guys not see that? if they go bankrupt, none of us will get anything... not even the usd refund!!! We will get their asses in jail. It will do it for me. |
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edit: my point was that they cannot say anything because it will be micro analyzed... which is bad for us because we dont get any info.. it is a viscous circle No, it absolutely is not. The problems begins when you start with lies, and as the time goes on, you have to make up your own alternative reality in order not to contradict yourself. That's where the plot thickens. What's the problem with reporting the truth and the truth only? Ops, there is none. You don't need a lawyer approval to report the truth if you have nothing to hide. |
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It is either that OR>
every single word and syllable is micro analysed by this forum to the point of silence.? You see, there is a reason for that. Same reason why everyone is still waiting for the full headers of that email. Same reason why i offered you a free legal council why a lawyer that wants 70k$ in retainers only and you refused. But yes, let's troll the customers. The fault is of the customer that is worried about the lack of updates for a product that was supposed to be shipping almost 100 days ago. |
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In order to introduce it into evidence in court, at lawyer would would need to actually get the poster to show up and take the stand, otherwise it would be inadmissible as hearsay. Other than the fact that none of us is going in court, but rather in arbitration, what could you possibly prove? There is nothing in that post but an empty threat, and i can't underestimate him to the point were he really thinks i'm this stupid. There are a lot of interesting things that could be said about the last 10 posts, but there is no reason to start a flame war by exposing them either. So i'm simply gonna keep reading both factions of this, the other one being the recent posts in the Cointerra thread. And yes, i suggest everyone interested to do the same. After all, only a small percentage of people actually paid with BTC, right (According to THEIR communications.) I must have missed this. Are you talking about the email where they say that: Your amount of refund will be the same as the USD amount shown below and in your order confirmation. Our products were purchased based on the purchase price stated in USD. We accepted payment in Bitcoin and other currencies as a convenience to our customers. For the great majority of our Batch 1 customers, we never received Bitcoin, but instead received USD from our payment processor, BitPay, and used the money to pay our suppliers and costs. Most early customers received a preferable exchange rate that reduced our revenue by 8%-10%. We also have customers that have paid in Bitcoin when the exchange rate was far higher than it is today, so our approach to providing refunds in USD is not a policy designed only to benefit us.
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Gianluca, ti do un consiglio per sopravvivere in questa community.
Tutti, e dico proprio tutti, io compreso, sono quì per rubarti dei soldi. Non gliene frega niente a nessuno del resto. Pensano tutti solo a scappare con il possibile. Tu non devi pensare "questa è una truffa perchè questo è impossibile", tu devi pensare "che motivi ho di credere a questo tizio, dando per scontato che se potrà fregarmi lo farà"?
Stammi bene.
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La risposta è semplice, non glieli vendi, indipendentemente da chi sia, dalla sua "activity", etc, sono tutte cavolate messe li per truffarti.
Poi si, potrebbe essere legit, come tutti, ma non hai alcun motivo per fidarti.
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This situation is entirely of their own making. Selectively forcing USD refunds on their earliest BTC customers while not communicating is not what I call doing 'the best they can'. And it is not, but you can get a feeling of what their arguments will be. They could work with BFL, but HF screwed it up so badly that they don't really stand a chance. They know it. Want to prove me wrong? Release the contracts with TSMC and show me how many chips you have in stock right now and how you have used them. You won't, because it would be admitting guilty more than what you already did, but that doesn't mean that i can't force you to do so. What Josh is doing is simply confusing the ignorant, but it won't work, given the load of proofs we will have against them to make the ignorant aware of all of their behaviours. |
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A lawyer would have no problem digging up all this useless blabber and using it in a defense against Hashfast to show that the plaintiffs are nothing but immature temper tantrum throwers. I love this guy. You really can't answer without contradicting yourself in the same phrase, can you? |
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But hf would be bouncing off the walls if they shipped anything, and not forcing people into refunds... This is why that post doesn't make any sense imho. I was thinking that they would have waited until the 25th of this month and ship the whole first and second batch in one day, in order to maximise the number of cashed checks to lower their legal liabilities, spreading fear trough their silence on the forums in the meanwhile. But it naturally conflicts with what happend. It's also true that if it wasn't for Google, no one would have read that post. It's an interesting element, that's for sure. |
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Ok, i'm gonna give it a try.
Josh, did people who ordered paying with USD received a letter with a refund check?
Why the answer is not, and why it instead happened with people who ordered paying with BTC, regardless of whatever they asked for a refund or not?
Any clue?
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Probably the most interesting thing is that he received them on a Saturday and that he is using the european server of pool, so he is probably from the Europe, that matches with the "i'm gonna out for a party".
Yet, the first one in the order chain with specifically 2 BJ is order #9, so if they started shipping following the order chain, US customers should have already reported them. It's interesting anyway.
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Gotta news guys!  (i'm sorry for the guy/hf who removed the thread just one second after, for whatever reason it was, but i'm gonna share it anyway). It starts with an email from Google:  That leads to an empty thread:  But the power of Google is unstoppable:  That leads us to:   As i told you, 550GH/chip. Now shipping. That, or it was a throwaway puppet from HF to prove that they are shipping, either way, they are or they want us to believe that they are shipping. (and somehow they are too afraid to just tell us directly?) |
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Looks like that my wiki will soon have another page.  (was it from HashFast or HashFast_CL? [since that it's sent from HashFast but it signs as HashFast_CL, it's interesting] A screenshoot would be welcome) |
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Vedi, non è il giocattolo di nessuno, e specialmente non il mio, visto che mi sono trasferito a 4000 km da Padova.
Io invece anche con tutta la buona volontà del mondo non riesco a capire che razza di ragionamento contorto vi abbia portato a supporre questo meeting come un "giocattolo" che evidentemente considerate nelle mani di bambini cresciuti.
Se non riuscite a sentire prendete una sedia e spostatevi, no?
Mah.
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Ma sbaglio o mi pare di ricordare che Asocial continuava a lamentare la lontananza del meeting di Padova? Perché non ne organizzate uno a Schio con le modalità che più vi aggradano e tutti i riferimenti al "giocattolo" che volete?
Sinceramente questo trollaggio di basso livello non è degno neppure dei peggiori thread della sezione inglese. Divertitevi!
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james kottmeier @jameskottmeier
I guess I am finally going to put a course together on performance marketing. Still making $45k a month but looking for new challenges.
4:39 AM - 13 Aug 2009 Feel free to read the other 39 tweets: https://twitter.com/jameskottmeierIn case it wasn't clear, if you want to sell an ebook or a course on how to make money on the internet, this is the kind of reputation you need to build for yourself. |
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Sorry but there a shit load to read and I'm cheating by asking. http://hashfast.org/List_of_Lieshttp://hashfast.org/TimelineFirst batch didn't got shipped. The deadline for the second batch is getting closer by the second and at this point they could miss it. At least partially. They are issuing USD refunds of the eq amount when you ordered, but only if you purchased with BTC. you have to sign a treat with the devil if you want an USD refund and you paid with USD, basically giving up every right you had. Meanwhile IceDrill has received several/4 working units. |
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Thanks  |
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