This. Thanks for saying it with such good words.
HF is just doing their calculations, and we have to do ours.

Looks like so and it is probably a good thing.

I personally don't really care about the status of my order anymore, i only care about my lawyer and my arbitration. I haven't received my tracking yet, there is a tiny chance that they will ship it before midnight and yet the delivered (!= exwork) terminology won't fit it.

If from a lawyer and there rest of my inbox i can take a break trying to help someone out of a problem he will have, i will have done something good in my day.

gmaxwell, unfortunately i don't have the time for this right now.

Wanna bet? :-) (that CT isn't going to be nearly 1/10 as bad as HF [if you don't consider what will happen with my litigation with HF])

Everyone that thinks to have problems with CT can switch to my HF orders at incredible discounts.

CT is probably one of the best bets out there.

As many of you might be aware of, HashFast has learned all the lessons from BFL and is in the process of accomplishing an even worse scam. However, it looks like that they where overconfident about overpromising. They think that they will come out of this just fine. Legally, i mean.

For several reasons, this will not be the case.

However, while their customers are proceeding legally against them, they are (and will) try to put off some other fire sales in the very next few days. People who will buy from them will be the least legally protected, due to their ever changing ToS.

I'm asking you for some cheap action to prevent this. You can start by upvoting this Reddit post:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u2a3m/running_timeline_of_hashfasts_actions_lies_and/

You could create a new one with better content, if you wish.
If you have contacts with relevant journalist, i kindly ask you to let them know about this story. Many on this forum are able to help on pointing out details for some good article.

Doing this if you are a batch 1 customer will be an equivalent of biting the hand that feeds you, but it's only the right thing to do.

It's months that i try to point out this terminology. It only talks about benefits, that are anyway capped at 4xBJ. The only thing they should talk about is the delivery timeframe, and we all just know that it will be sometime after February.

It's funny that you use this term because john used it the first time we meet back in september. I guess that if i was pissed off then i'm to a whole new level now.

And how the hell can that Reddit posts be downvoted? Stupid reddit downvoters.

Is 230GH really worth 4300$?
Doesn't matter, HF won't ship anytime soon anyway.

Don't know. Min-blown accomplished.

Systems are online again. Thanks, calculator.

I think that they already did they calculations and double checked them. They are fine with all of the money they will get out of us (not so much in my case).

You forgot the most funny part of that email.

You are starting from the possibly wrong supposition that this wasn't the plot all along.

@itod, just a little correction, that's their sales guy that i should have registered when we meet in person (and again, there where 2 people listening to us, it should be possible to find them). It's not their CEO. Their CEO is hiding behind all of it's thing while probably one of the ones with the biggest benefits from the scam he is running.

Like Yufi vs Nzhang-whatever

That's the only difficult choice we are faced with. Either lose 85% with USD refunds, 60-70% if we accept the miners, and a 10-20% if we win the arbitration/litigation.

I'm surprised because i was thinking that they would have used fedex next flight to ship to as many customers as possible today. Maybe that's still the case and we just don't know yet.

If not, my legitimate conclusion is that they don't have a working product yet.

This is mine. It's probably useless, but yet, here it is.

http://pastebin.com/XbreSGVV

I would like to know if anyone has a snapshot of the ToS around the end of August (like 28 of August). I'm not talking about the ToS they emailed us.

Thanks.

The only reason why you should not attempt a class action is if you think the ToS to be there to protect you and you want to enforce what they wrote on it. Points such as full refunds of the payment and payments that are specified to be made in BTC.

If we do a group action against HF we give up to any of the "protections" of the MPP. Not that i care anymore, i'm almost sure that i will refuse the shipment and sue the hell out of them. It's the only rationale solution. I will ask and report back anyway. Thanks for asking.

I wanted to thank you but i didn't wanted to post there, thanks for the impressive work.

Giving up is what they want. It's since October that i'm stressed for this, and they are doing whatever possible to kill us psychologically because they can't stand in court.

Don't give up.