XMR vs DRK

[TheKoziTwo]

Calculation:

X = 25

Case A:
X*250% = 62.5
X*2.5 = 62.5

Case B:
X+(X*250%) = 87.5
X*3.5 = 87.5

If he still disagrees with Case A I would love to bet. Just let me know.

Your calculations don't make sense in this case. Just look:
A: 25*250% = 6250%
B: 25+(25*250%) = 25 + 6250%

You just multiplied 25 with 250, that's not the same as 25 * 250%. Don't you know how to calculate percentage? Notice the "%" sign.

See:
25*250%

Are you saying 25*250% does not equal to 6250%?

6250% = 62.5

100% = 100/100 = 1

6250% = 6250/100 = 62.5

"%" is dimensionless

Correct. So 2.5x and 250% is the same. Which was my point. And that I am willing to bet on, if the terms are clearly stated so that there can be no confusion.

[illodin]

I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.

Weaseling out on a technicality even though the context and intent was clear tells a lot about one's character. Can't say I'm surprised though.

[illodin]

I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.

slimy semantics wont save anyone forever

And you have already displayed your stupidity so if I was you I'd just stfu and hope everyone forgets it.

[dasource]

Kudos to you boys for still going at this ....

[smooth]

I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.

slimy semantics wont save anyone forever

And you have already displayed your stupidity so if I was you I'd just stfu and hope everyone forgets it.

It was clever wordplay and I think you fooled just about everyone except me, but what in the world does that have to do with XMR vs DRK?

[Joshuar]

I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.

Weaseling out on a technicality even though the context and intent was clear tells a lot about one's character. Can't say I'm surprised though.

OK let's be like that. The bet is on, you now owe me .4 btc as 2.5x is equal to 250%, which is what I originally bet and to which you agreed.

[generalizethis]

I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.

slimy semantics wont save anyone forever

And you have already displayed your stupidity so if I was you I'd just stfu and hope everyone forgets it.

It was clever wordplay and I think you fooled just about everyone except me, but what in the world does that have to do with XMR vs DRK?

Maybe Illodin's making a point about ellipses?  Maybe Evan was like, "I'm not going to launch the coin today...." But with the ellipsis filled in, it reads, "I'm not going to launch the coin today (is what I would say if I were a liar)." So by this addition we can see everything is on the up and up with x-drk-dsh coin and there was no good reason to relaunch the coin--Oh, wait, he said it was an accident too. So maybe that ellipsis filled in says, "There was a bug and the coins were accidentally fastmined, (is what I would say if I thought people were gullible and trusted me implicitly, so let's see how much more shit I can pull on these dummies--maybe next I can add an Amway-type pyramid scheme to lock huge swathes of coins off the market and then I can claim anonymity without ever demonstrating it cryptographically, since i have these Amway-noder's locked in at a 1000 coins apiece, they act as a natural troll army to do my bidding...)"

Or something like that....  

[Hueristic]

Reading comprehension is hard. -Hueristic

[smooth]

Heuristic going up X% is the same as going up BY X%

Example. If your pay is $10/hour and it goes "up 10%" then your pay is now $11/hour. Likewise if your pay goes up "by 10%" it is still $11/hour. Both of these are the same as increasing 1.1x

The only other meaning would be increasing TO 110% (of what it was). I don't think the unusual phrasing "to X%" appeared in this exchange at all.

[Hueristic]

Providing entertainment by proving I am an Idiot. -Hueristic

[smooth]

Heuristic going up X% is the same as going up BY X%

Example. If your pay is $10/hour and it goes "up 10%" then your pay is now $11/hour. Likewise if your pay goes up "by 10%" it is still $11/hour. Both of these are the same as increasing 1.1x

The only other meaning would be increasing TO 110% (of what it was). I don't think the unusual phrasing "to X%" appeared in this exchange at all.

If you see what I bolded there is no "BY" there. He changed it. The Wording changed with all the back and forth..

Sure, read what I wrote

I think its in pretty poor taste to play word games like that especially in a forum that is international in scope where people have different levels of English proficiency, but being precise about it, illodin was right about this one.

[Hueristic]

Providing entertainment by proving I am an Idiot. -Hueristic

[smooth]

Heuristic going up X% is the same as going up BY X%

Example. If your pay is $10/hour and it goes "up 10%" then your pay is now $11/hour. Likewise if your pay goes up "by 10%" it is still $11/hour. Both of these are the same as increasing 1.1x

The only other meaning would be increasing TO 110% (of what it was). I don't think the unusual phrasing "to X%" appeared in this exchange at all.

If you see what I bolded there is no "BY" there. He changed it. The Wording changed with all the back and forth..

Sure, read what I wrote

I think its in pretty poor taste to play word games like that especially in a forum that is international in scope where people have different levels of English proficiency, but being precise about it, illodin was right about this one.

YES, But read what I bolded. He stated is is NOT equal.

something going up 2.5x is not equal to something going up 250%

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642.msg11004379#msg11004379

Going up 250% (or going up by 250%) would be the same as 3.5x. One is an increment the other is a multiplier.

Get it?

[Hueristic]

Reading comprehension is hard. -Hueristic

[smooth]

"something going up 2.5x is not equal to something going up 250%" <<-- False statement

This verbage is equal. when by is added as in it is not.

The verbage is not equal because of that little x sitting there. The notation "goes up 2.5x" translates to "increases by a factor of 2.5" which is different from "goes up 250%", which translates to "increases by an increment of 250%". Changing the numbers a bit makes this more clear. If a price "goes up 100%" that means the price doubles (price "goes up 2x").

[arielbit]

LOL make another thread 2.5x vs 250% 

[vokain]

LOL make another thread 2.5x vs 250%  

lol! Really appreciated this quip after all we've been through
Pride does indeed beget the fall for many (Proverbs 16:18) but it's definitely worth the laughs at their expense!


"EDIT: omg just can't stop lolling... I'm talking to a child here... 2.5x is 250%, just found it on google!"
hehehe me neither, that went on for way too long. I think we can all be glad something was taught on this thread the past few days (for once?)

[banananas]

I'm astonished by how alert some of us are to point out each others fallacies and misinterpretations!

This forum is great, it opens up the possibility to both be consumed in greed and at the same time feel good about ourselves, since we are doing the public service of preventing other greedy people in their shenanigans.

[vokain]

I'm astonished by how alert some of us are to point out each others fallacies and misinterpretations!

This forum is great, it opens up the possibility to both be consumed in greed and at the same time feel good about ourselves, since we are doing the public service of preventing other greedy people in their shenanigans.

Aye!

http://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law

We as an expanding, increasingly networked society on this planet simply cannot afford to just let unthinking ignorance stand by and spread.

“One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” - Carl Jung

[Hueristic]

"something going up 2.5x is not equal to something going up 250%" <<-- False statement

This verbage is equal. when by is added as in it is not.

The verbage is not equal because of that little x sitting there. The notation "goes up 2.5x" translates to "increases by a multiple of 2.5" which is different from "goes up 250%", which translates to "increases by an increment of 250%". Changing the numbers a bit makes this more clear. If a price "goes up 100%" that means the price doubles (price "goes up 2x").

I apologize guys, was on limited sleep and mentally drained by playing poker since Sunday. I should not of gotten into this discussion and been too stubborn to crash.

Bad decisions like that have cost me a few BIG Pots!

I have no clue why I was interpreting UP as increased.

I admit to being emphatically incorrect and too stupid to notice that fact.

Feel good now, first 8 hours I've had in a long time.

My only solace is that I didn't bet on it.

Even funnier is when I crashed I was laying there and realized my error and actually almost got up booted up the system to post that fact. Internet arguments can become quite intense I don't like the feeling of being to stupid to step back and re-evaluate my position. I believe this is my first humble pie in this manner.


Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.

illodin you did indeed drop a nice word bomb in the middle of those walls of text, I commend you. Page 69 made my brain hurt last night trying to reread it!