Cricket match prediction discussions

[crunck]

I've said a few times that the "Umpire Calls" rule should be scrapped, IMO if a ball is touching the stumps even for 10% or even clipping it (the current rule is for more than 50%) then it should be out but I guess ICC willingly leaving some scope for human error in umpiring despite tech is available there to use.

Yeah, a huge number of matches in the domestic circuit could create a financial burden but we can't deny the fact that it does help players immensely. I think they will use this according to grouping (relegation). Also, I'm in favor of using full fledge technical/technique analysis for players so that BCCI can identify and tackle their weaknesses at a domestic level, shouldn't cost more than $10-15 Million per season for satisfactory results. 

I don't think that if the ball is just clipping the stumps, the batsmen should be given out. It will put the batsmen in a disadvantage. I would go with the 50% rule. But then the loophole needs to go away. The umpire should not be given the leeway to decide whether the batsmen is out or not. That decision should be made by the DRS. And on the second topic, if it is just $10-15 million, then I am fine with it. And it is going to generate additional jobs as well. So there is no excuse for the BCCI to not to implement DRS in domestic circuit.

Yes, it is understandable that it is going to be able to generate an addition of jobs. But the problem is I don’t think BCCI is ready to spend so much money in the domestic field. I mean if they are investing in something there are going to expect some return. And we have seen them implementing the technology in IPL because they have a really good amount of revenue in return. But in the domestic field, they are not going to get anything except probably some good umpiring and some actual decisions which will never be questioned with match-fixing Or umpire fixing. And we all know BCCI really cares about money.

[wiss19]

Although Australia and England are in the Big 3, ICC earns the most from the Indian market. As a result, ICC flexibility towards India is more than others. Yes, they also have value as Big 3 countries but comparatively India dominates the most in world cricket and also in ICC.

We can't term it to be flexibility, because these three countries always make a combined decision. Because, moving ahead with a self plans could countries togo against the board and unite the rest of the cricketing boards that are just with ICC for name sake. The small boards need to unite to make some changes.

It's all about colonial mindset because they have mentality when you are in power than do your own things and as you lost power then go beside most powerful so England and Australia doing same business they are having good relationship with India due to their big influence in cricket market, and also they are taking their share as well through ICC and IPL both are giving them profit, so they never go against India in any way and these three are completely controlling this ICC and cricket which is not good sign for this game as we are not doing anything positive for the development of this game and losing patience and few other markets which can play a good role for more profit and better ideas in this game.

We need equal rights for all boards even someone is having big share in market because this will bring better fair policy in game and surely going to help for development of this game.

[BobK71]

Although Australia and England are in the Big 3, ICC earns the most from the Indian market. As a result, ICC flexibility towards India is more than others. Yes, they also have value as Big 3 countries but comparatively India dominates the most in world cricket and also in ICC.

We can't term it to be flexibility, because these three countries always make a combined decision. Because, moving ahead with a self plans could countries togo against the board and unite the rest of the cricketing boards that are just with ICC for name sake. The small boards need to unite to make some changes.

It's all about colonial mindset because they have mentality when you are in power than do your own things and as you lost power then go beside most powerful so England and Australia doing same business they are having good relationship with India due to their big influence in cricket market, and also they are taking their share as well through ICC and IPL both are giving them profit, so they never go against India in any way and these three are completely controlling this ICC and cricket which is not good sign for this game as we are not doing anything positive for the development of this game and losing patience and few other markets which can play a good role for more profit and better ideas in this game.

We need equal rights for all boards even someone is having big share in market because this will bring better fair policy in game and surely going to help for development of this game.

The term dominance is well known. We see it's implications at every level of the world. Whenever someone speaks out against it, he is being dealt with in various ways. This is the current condition of the world.

But when we talk about the world of cricket, the first thing that comes to mind is the ICC. The organization that should have been impartial but today it is behaving in a biased manner. Especially one word utter over and over again that the influence of the Big 3 which is now known all over the world. Today, some cricket boards are on the verge of extinction due to their corruption and irregularities.

[JSRAW]

This 50% rule is the main loophole in DRS or umpire call.

It's not a disadvantage to batters imo, it's just you are empowering the toothless bowlers. When the ball actually kisses the stumps, bails get dislodged it doesn't matter if it's 1%-10$ or so on. You don't say that it's just clipping or batters are in a disadvantage.

So why give benefit of the doubt to umpires and batters when it comes to LBW?

OK.. then maybe we can agree on that. But time is also important. As you mentioned, the bowlers are feeling toothless these days. I just hope that the players will not waste too much time in appealing and reviewing the decisions. From my perspective, the only disadvantage with DRS which I have observed till now is the wastage of time in reviewing the decisions. And in some cases, the players just review them, just for the sake of it. Finding the right balance between 100% accuracy and finishing the matches on time is very important.

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.

Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.

This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM

[Ayers]

This 50% rule is the main loophole in DRS or umpire call.
It's not a disadvantage to batters imo, it's just you are empowering the toothless bowlers. When the ball actually kisses the stumps, bails get dislodged it doesn't matter if it's 1%-10$ or so on. You don't say that it's just clipping or batters are in a disadvantage.
So why give benefit of the doubt to umpires and batters when it comes to LBW?

OK.. then maybe we can agree on that. But time is also important. As you mentioned, the bowlers are feeling toothless these days. I just hope that the players will not waste too much time in appealing and reviewing the decisions. From my perspective, the only disadvantage with DRS which I have observed till now is the wastage of time in reviewing the decisions. And in some cases, the players just review them, just for the sake of it. Finding the right balance between 100% accuracy and finishing the matches on time is very important.

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.
Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.
This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM

as far as i am aware, those two or three minutes are not added to the bowling side of the game to penalize the players, it does not take too much time for any team to take the decision of the review because they only have 15 seconds in hand for that

it is also important to note that each team is only allowed two reviews per half, the process should not take too long, so that shouldn't take too much time
as a matter of fact, i think that the DRS system is very important and very well executed, but the umpire's call should not be in the system, if the ball is clipping the stumps it’s out no matter what

[JSRAW]

This 50% rule is the main loophole in DRS or umpire call.
It's not a disadvantage to batters imo, it's just you are empowering the toothless bowlers. When the ball actually kisses the stumps, bails get dislodged it doesn't matter if it's 1%-10$ or so on. You don't say that it's just clipping or batters are in a disadvantage.
So why give benefit of the doubt to umpires and batters when it comes to LBW?

OK.. then maybe we can agree on that. But time is also important. As you mentioned, the bowlers are feeling toothless these days. I just hope that the players will not waste too much time in appealing and reviewing the decisions. From my perspective, the only disadvantage with DRS which I have observed till now is the wastage of time in reviewing the decisions. And in some cases, the players just review them, just for the sake of it. Finding the right balance between 100% accuracy and finishing the matches on time is very important.

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.
Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.
This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM

as far as i am aware, those two or three minutes are not added to the bowling side of the game to penalize the players, it does not take too much time for any team to take the decision of the review because they only have 15 seconds in hand for that

it is also important to note that each team is only allowed two reviews per half, the process should not take too long, so that shouldn't take too much time
as a matter of fact, i think that the DRS system is very important and very well executed, but the umpire's call should not be in the system, if the ball is clipping the stumps it’s out no matter what

Yeah, reviews etc don't add up to the timeline for any team but it does take time and it's added to the overall 8 hours gameplan as test cricket still sticks to a clear 8 hours deadline, we hardly see any extended session unless there were rain, light or outfield problems.

In the test it's 3 reviews per inning for each team, there are no time restrictions for reviews. 2 reviews per innings is for limited overs cricket only.

[Haunebu]

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.

Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.

Cricket umpires are easily one of the most controversial aspects of the game which is actually understandable since they are humans who make mistakes now and then.

What truly pisses me off is when they waste time checking stuff which is 100% unnecessary across all formats of the game(Mostly 3rd umpires). Their idiotic commentary on top of all that makes it worse.

[WatChe]

Cricket umpires are easily one of the most controversial aspects of the game which is actually understandable since they are humans who make mistakes now and then.

What truly pisses me off is when they waste time checking stuff which is 100% unnecessary across all formats of the game(Mostly 3rd umpires). Their idiotic commentary on top of all that makes it worse.

I think umpires in all games can become controversial, there are many incidents in FIFA where umpires gave controversial decisions. The introduction of DRS is a great way to reduce pressure from umpires as now decisions can go upstairs and chances of error are zero in that case. DRS is not welcomed in start by BCCI but with time they have embraced that change.

[Rigon]

Although Australia and England are in the Big 3, ICC earns the most from the Indian market. As a result, ICC flexibility towards India is more than others. Yes, they also have value as Big 3 countries but comparatively India dominates the most in world cricket and also in ICC.

We can't term it to be flexibility, because these three countries always make a combined decision. Because, moving ahead with a self plans could countries togo against the board and unite the rest of the cricketing boards that are just with ICC for name sake. The small boards need to unite to make some changes.

It's all about colonial mindset because they have mentality when you are in power than do your own things and as you lost power then go beside most powerful so England and Australia doing same business they are having good relationship with India due to their big influence in cricket market, and also they are taking their share as well through ICC and IPL both are giving them profit, so they never go against India in any way and these three are completely controlling this ICC and cricket which is not good sign for this game as we are not doing anything positive for the development of this game and losing patience and few other markets which can play a good role for more profit and better ideas in this game.

We need equal rights for all boards even someone is having big share in market because this will bring better fair policy in game and surely going to help for development of this game.

The term dominance is well known. We see it's implications at every level of the world. Whenever someone speaks out against it, he is being dealt with in various ways. This is the current condition of the world.

But when we talk about the world of cricket, the first thing that comes to mind is the ICC. The organization that should have been impartial but today it is behaving in a biased manner. Especially one word utter over and over again that the influence of the Big 3 which is now known all over the world. Today, some cricket boards are on the verge of extinction due to their corruption and irregularities.

What else can I say, the whole world is now full of corruption. Revenge has crept into people's minds.But they don't realize that their exploits will earn them a well-known reputation all over the world and the reputation of the country.What kind of thinking no native is doing now. They are thinking that corruption is the solution to everything.But the ICC hates it a lot for corruption.Various countries have brought the cricket board to corruption and irregularities, and it is really on the way to disappear from the whole world today.

[romero121]

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.

Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.

Cricket umpires are easily one of the most controversial aspects of the game which is actually understandable since they are humans who make mistakes now and then.

What truly pisses me off is when they waste time checking stuff which is 100% unnecessary across all formats of the game(Mostly 3rd umpires). Their idiotic commentary on top of all that makes it worse.

Humans make mistakes, usage of technology to overcome the mistakes is the third umpire. While watching on television we easily conclude it isn't a wicket. But, the third umpire cannot do the same as we do. He needs to look it upon various dimensions, because the same will term to be controversial. Some even change the result of the match.

Just think of the matches during the lockdown, we heard fake claps and cheer sound. Those are really bad and makes us stop watching the match. Commentary is needed, at times it might be worse. Just ignore the worse and enjoy the rest.

[Sithara007]

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.

Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.

This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM

My concern is that sometimes the momentum is lot when the third umpire spends 2-3 minutes to take the decision. For the viewers who are closely following the match, the flow will be lost. But also, excessive appealing from the part of the players is another issue. I agree that the umpires should be given more powers to deal with it. But in the end, none of us want inaccurate decisions from the umpires to be retained. Overall, the implementation of the DRS has worked wonders in international cricket.

[Ayers]

as far as i am aware, those two or three minutes are not added to the bowling side of the game to penalize the players, it does not take too much time for any team to take the decision of the review because they only have 15 seconds in hand for that

it is also important to note that each team is only allowed two reviews per half, the process should not take too long, so that shouldn't take too much time
as a matter of fact, i think that the DRS system is very important and very well executed, but the umpire's call should not be in the system, if the ball is clipping the stumps it’s out no matter what

Yeah, reviews etc don't add up to the timeline for any team but it does take time and it's added to the overall 8 hours gameplan as test cricket still sticks to a clear 8 hours deadline, we hardly see any extended session unless there were rain, light or outfield problems.
In the test it's 3 reviews per inning for each team, there are no time restrictions for reviews. 2 reviews per innings is for limited overs cricket only.

yes, i have looked it up just now, it was two unsuccessful reviews previously in test cricket as well
in the case of test cricket, it appears that it has been changed to three reviews since 2020, the review does not seem to be a problem in my opinion
yes, it does add up sometimes, however, it does not seem to be such a major issue at this point, i believe it mostly comes down to the time-wasting that players often do
otherwise, reviews will take 10 minutes more at most, and that is forgivable in my opinion

[Haunebu]

The introduction of DRS is a great way to reduce pressure from umpires as now decisions can go upstairs and chances of error are zero in that case. DRS is not welcomed in start by BCCI but with time they have embraced that change.

Zero? No way. DRS decreased errors for sure, but it cannot resolve every single error just like similar systems in other sports.

Just think of the matches during the lockdown, we heard fake claps and cheer sound. Those are really bad and makes us stop watching the match. Commentary is needed, at times it might be worse. Just ignore the worse and enjoy the rest.

I can understand why they take a lot of time sometimes as you mentioned, but what I don't like is the fact that they waste time checking pointless stuff sometimes when they don't need to.

[BobK71]

Humans make mistakes, usage of technology to overcome the mistakes is the third umpire. While watching on television we easily conclude it isn't a wicket. But, the third umpire cannot do the same as we do. He needs to look it upon various dimensions, because the same will term to be controversial. Some even change the result of the match.

Managing a game requires so many necessary things or equipment. Since the cricket field is large in size, other technologies with sufficient number of cameras have to be resorted. A third umpire also has to take care of various things. In this case, there may be some time lag but it is in the interest of accuracy which is tolerable for cricket.

[Minor Miner]

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.

Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.

This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM

My concern is that sometimes the momentum is lot when the third umpire spends 2-3 minutes to take the decision. For the viewers who are closely following the match, the flow will be lost. But also, excessive appealing from the part of the players is another issue. I agree that the umpires should be given more powers to deal with it. But in the end, none of us want inaccurate decisions from the umpires to be retained. Overall, the implementation of the DRS has worked wonders in international cricket.

My experience is that I have seen a certain thing happen multiple times, which is that the bowling team often takes a review that is not that close.
However, they take the reviews so that there is a break in play and they can break the concentration of the batsmen who are playing in the middle at the time when the review is being taken. Often we can observe the batting team losing wickets after a break because it causes a sudden lapse in concentration on the part of the batsman in the middle.

There is nothing wrong with this system at all and I am not saying that it is a bad one. I am only trying to say that players who are willing to exploit anything for their own advantage are obviously going to take any chance they can get in order to gain an advantage over their opponents.

[Sithara007]

The introduction of DRS is a great way to reduce pressure from umpires as now decisions can go upstairs and chances of error are zero in that case. DRS is not welcomed in start by BCCI but with time they have embraced that change.

Zero? No way. DRS decreased errors for sure, but it cannot resolve every single error just like similar systems in other sports.

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

[Haunebu]

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

Agreed. I simply wanted to point out the fact that DRS isn't a perfect system just like similar systems in other sports despite its being very high as you mentioned.

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

Disney Star was revealed as the winner earlier.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espncricinfo.com/story/disney-star-bags-icc-media-rights-for-indian-market-1331075%3fplatform=amp

Also, it seems that the ICC wants to go to the US and UK markets soon which is good news.

[JSRAW]

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

Disney Star was revealed as the winner earlier.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espncricinfo.com/story/disney-star-bags-icc-media-rights-for-indian-market-1331075%3fplatform=amp

Also, it seems that the ICC wants to go to the US and UK markets soon which is good news.

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.

ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

[jostorres]

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

Agreed. I simply wanted to point out the fact that DRS isn't a perfect system just like similar systems in other sports despite its being very high as you mentioned.

Even too many objections and flaws in this DRS system but still this is the best for current cricket because we have no other suitable better option for this which replace this and give better results in difficult situations hopefully as technology is progressing we will have some better things in near future right now nothing is going to cover this all and ICC and their B-4 are also happy with this all, so it's going to be had safe future here in ODI and T20.

If someone is not happy with this then surely he needs to do invest big amount and try to have rooftop stadiums which can end this all, and we can watch games without any interruption which will be also good for all but not possible for all as it's going to be not reachable for all boards in the cricket world.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

Technology is finding his way to every sport, even in Football we are seeing the review system. Last time we saw Kohli complaining about DRS against SA in test series and that was a bit controversial. Other then that everyone seems to be ok with this DRS technology.