Cricket match prediction discussions

[Naficopa]

You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money.

I think BCCI was already doing good before Ganguly took over charge. BCCI was on top even since IPL kicked off and its getting popular day by day. Ganguly was lucky that he got the top slot while everything was in order. All he has to do is to manage things up.

[savetheFORUM]

You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money.

I think BCCI was already doing good before Ganguly took over charge. BCCI was on top even since IPL kicked off and its getting popular day by day. Ganguly was lucky that he got the top slot while everything was in order. All he has to do is to manage things up.

Even I am feeling right now BCCI is doing amazing job and with their finances and power in ICC no one going to challenge them in long run with they are still had many domestic issues which are surely not good for them, they need to be as one of the most professional board around the cricketing world even political influence is having his own impact but with this all still they need few things which help them for having strong decisions and conflict of interest is also not good as they are still looking for more earning chances which is their right.

BCCI needs to have tough things about grounds and other domestic tournaments which bring more talent and with this they can bring more facilities for future players and jobs for local talent as well with the help of Australian set up which is surely right now one of the best in the cricketing world.

[laurenB7742]

I feel you didn't follow his tenure or might missed all his mess. Here are few of his fuckups.

- He messed up Virat's situation big time. Both were at fault overall but as a BCCI's chief one has to show some grace, he kept leaking private conservation via his shady Journalist (Boria Majumdar), the same guy who got banned from BCCI when he threatened the WK Saha. Dada also went to the media and started talking shit, in response Virat had to come into the media and he literally called him a liar when a journalist asked about his and Dada's conversations and it lead to Virat's resignation from the Test captaincy.

- Dada leaked so much info about almost all players which no one liked.

- He was doing some betting promotion ( which i don't mind at all) but he was BCCI head at the same time. There are some thing called conflict of interest when you are leading a org.

- He delayed the WIPL. He made a fake promise regarding domestic cricketers's salaries during covid and didn't take any steps in this regard until it backfired.

- No need to mention that he overstayed at his position.

Well, if we consider these things, it really feels like he was one of the worst BCCI Presidents. But the point I was trying to make is that when all the candidates are corrupt, obviously you need to choose the one which is the least corrupt and is most likely to help you the most. I cannot say Ganguly was the most ideal president but he was also not the most awful.

I am willing to agree with you on something which is that the Virat Kohli situation was a really big fuck up. He was one of the top players in the world. Ganguly should have helped him but instead, he did the worst thing possible for him.

The other things which you mentioned, I think I will let those slide but not the Virat Kohli situation.

Another thing I would like to know is whether the BCCI has any other suitable candidates besides Ganguly? If so, Ganguly should not be the BCCI President again.

[JSRAW]

I feel you didn't follow his tenure or might missed all his mess. Here are few of his fuckups.

- He messed up Virat's situation big time. Both were at fault overall but as a BCCI's chief one has to show some grace, he kept leaking private conservation via his shady Journalist (Boria Majumdar), the same guy who got banned from BCCI when he threatened the WK Saha. Dada also went to the media and started talking shit, in response Virat had to come into the media and he literally called him a liar when a journalist asked about his and Dada's conversations and it lead to Virat's resignation from the Test captaincy.

- Dada leaked so much info about almost all players which no one liked.

- He was doing some betting promotion ( which i don't mind at all) but he was BCCI head at the same time. There are some thing called conflict of interest when you are leading a org.

- He delayed the WIPL. He made a fake promise regarding domestic cricketers's salaries during covid and didn't take any steps in this regard until it backfired.

- No need to mention that he overstayed at his position.

Well, if we consider these things, it really feels like he was one of the worst BCCI Presidents. But the point I was trying to make is that when all the candidates are corrupt, obviously you need to choose the one which is the least corrupt and is most likely to help you the most. I cannot say Ganguly was the most ideal president but he was also not the most awful.

I am willing to agree with you on something which is that the Virat Kohli situation was a really big fuck up. He was one of the top players in the world. Ganguly should have helped him but instead, he did the worst thing possible for him.

The other things which you mentioned, I think I will let those slide but not the Virat Kohli situation.

Another thing I would like to know is whether the BCCI has any other suitable candidates besides Ganguly? If so, Ganguly should not be the BCCI President again.

The problem is everyone had very high hope from the Ganguly but he took his job as Sarkari job and got busy settling personal scores with the players, which somehow distracted him I suppose and that irked everyone including fans.

He wasn't worst candidate but he messed up things with the Indian team. Roger Binny will replace him, he has a clean and polite image so let's see.

He wasn't the worst guy but he didn't help his cause much

[noormcs5]

Recently I noticed that this thread "Cricket match prediction discussions" has become more of a political discussion thread of cricket.
While we had three separate threads for cricket which include a test matches thread, a one day international thread and the T20 discussion thread.

I always thought what was the need of this thread then, but now i can classify it as a political cricket discussion thread.  By the way I know that this was the first thread about cricket which was created in bitcointalk while the other three were created later.

[Sithara007]

Recently I noticed that this thread "Cricket match prediction discussions" has become more of a political discussion thread of cricket.
While we had three separate threads for cricket which include a test matches thread, a one day international thread and the T20 discussion thread.

I always thought what was the need of this thread then, but now i can classify it as a political cricket discussion thread.  By the way I know that this was the first thread about cricket which was created in bitcointalk while the other three were created later.

This is a general discussion topic for cricket. Other threads are mostly being used to discuss about ongoing tournaments and bilateral series, while this thread is used to discuss topics related to administration (including elections to the admin bodies), fund allocation to individual boards, globalization of cricket, inclusion in Olympics.etc. But then, there are no "political discussions" here. We are still restricting the conversations to the domain of cricket. It is entirely another topic that at least in a few countries, politicians are more than interested in the running of cricket bodies.

[BobK71]

Recently I noticed that this thread "Cricket match prediction discussions" has become more of a political discussion thread of cricket.
While we had three separate threads for cricket which include a test matches thread, a one day international thread and the T20 discussion thread.

I always thought what was the need of this thread then, but now i can classify it as a political cricket discussion thread.   By the way I know that this was the first thread about cricket which was created in bitcointalk while the other three were created later.

Many things may come up in the discussion but the main point cannot be ignored. So, it is better to discuss within the mentioned tropic. Basically the name of Tropic is “Cricket match prediction discussions” so here related discussions of Tropic will be important. Generally all types of cricket news can be discussed including cricket match predictions.

[bitgov]

. It is entirely another topic that at least in a few countries, politicians are more than interested in the running of cricket bodies.

Yes that quite true. In Pakistan PCB head is taken as lucrative job and is given to one who is politicly affiliated with present government. There are many players in Pakistan who are selected on basis of nepotism like imam ul haq, usman qadir, Azam Khan.

[Sithara007]

. It is entirely another topic that at least in a few countries, politicians are more than interested in the running of cricket bodies.

Yes that quite true. In Pakistan PCB head is taken as lucrative job and is given to one who is politicly affiliated with present government. There are many players in Pakistan who are selected on basis of nepotism like imam ul haq, usman qadir, Azam Khan.

Well.. I thought that PCB is moving in the right direction. Ever since Ramiz Raja became the Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), they have implemented many revolutionary changes. And this has not just benefitted the men's team, but also the women's and U-19 teams. Recently they started a U-19 franchise league, which is the first by any ICC member nation. If Ramiz remains as the chairman for another 2-3 years, then cricket in Pakistan would be in much better shape. And also, I believe that PCB should nominate him for the post of ICC chairman next month. 

[JSRAW]

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

[fullhdpixel]

Recently I noticed that this thread "Cricket match prediction discussions" has become more of a political discussion thread of cricket.
While we had three separate threads for cricket which include a test matches thread, a one day international thread and the T20 discussion thread.

I always thought what was the need of this thread then, but now i can classify it as a political cricket discussion thread.  By the way I know that this was the first thread about cricket which was created in bitcointalk while the other three were created later.

Here I agree with you, we never need many threads as right now we have here on this forum because we have few members which are involved in cricket discussion and this was manageable, but sadly we can't stop anyone from doing things like this, so they have done, and now we have four threads and still many times we have good mix up of discussion about this all, but it's not issue, so we all are enjoying with this all which is good.

Most of the time good talk and information are coming with few members are able also involved in competitions which are also doing good and spreading good awareness about this game with good chance of prizes for them as well last thing is here OP is inactive which is also not good so just because of this other three threads are in operation with many supplementary are also going through.

[usekevin]

The Chairman plays a good in the game for sure.Many country won many tough matches by the team selection by the Chairman.Ramiz Raja will play a good game this time for Sure.Next 2-3 years,the game will be best part from Pakistan.Now the game of men Pakistan team made good on T20 World Cup.So the same can be expected on the upcoming Asia Cup of 2022.Some of the Asian Nations like India,Bangladesh need to improve their game on the upcoming Asian Game.So this was good move from the Pakistan Board.

[Ayers]

. It is entirely another topic that at least in a few countries, politicians are more than interested in the running of cricket bodies.

Yes that quite true. In Pakistan PCB head is taken as lucrative job and is given to one who is politicly affiliated with present government. There are many players in Pakistan who are selected on basis of nepotism like imam ul haq, usman qadir, Azam Khan.

Well.. I thought that PCB is moving in the right direction. Ever since Ramiz Raja became the Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), they have implemented many revolutionary changes. And this has not just benefitted the men's team, but also the women's and U-19 teams. Recently they started a U-19 franchise league, which is the first by any ICC member nation. If Ramiz remains as the chairman for another 2-3 years, then cricket in Pakistan would be in much better shape. And also, I believe that PCB should nominate him for the post of ICC chairman next month. 

@bitgov, I am going to say something which might be a bit controversial. But I believe that nepotism doesn't matter as long as the product of nepotism is giving you successful results. It is obvious that if the product of nepotism is incapable of producing effective results, then it must be changed. But if they are giving results, I have no problem with that.

@Sithara007, I completely agree with you that since Ramiz Raja became the chairman of the Pakistan cricket board, things are looking rosy for Pakistan. And I am not talking about only the Pakistan national team. I am talking about Pakistan cricket as a whole. We are also able to see improvement in Pakistan women’s cricket. And the recent performance of Pakistan's men's team has also been quite impressive. So I don't see any reason to complain.

[Tony116]

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

It really is something I have no idea about even if someone outside India or Pakistan becomes the new Chairman of the ICC, they are not allowed to talk about the big four countries. I think anyone from India, Australia, New Zealand, or England is inclined to hope for the best of the big four. At this point, I think even the International Cricket Council might be in favor of this happening.

It is also my impression that I and a lot of other people like me are very concerned about the new ICC Chairman working honestly. At this point, I personally do not care who comes and sits on the chair at the moment. As long as he is honest, he has a good chance of getting the job. For some reason, I believe that this is the one criterion that no one is going to be able to fulfill.

[Sithara007]

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

Pig-3 model was thrown in the dust-bin a few years ago and I don't think that it will be possible to revive it no matter how much the BCCI, ECB and CA try. By now the lower tier test nations have realized the danger in having the pig-3 financial model, and all of them are solidly against that idea. And the voting structure of ICC has also changed, giving two additional slots to Afghanistan and Ireland. For the pig-3 nations, it won't be easy to garner the required majority (9 out of 16 votes) for any such proposal.

[noormcs5]

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

Just to be clear can you tell who is "Rambo" and who is included in "PIG-4" ?
As far as i know, PIG 3 included England, Australia and India, Right    So who is that extra country in PIG four?

Recently I noticed that this thread "Cricket match prediction discussions" has become more of a political discussion thread of cricket.
While we had three separate threads for cricket which include a test matches thread, a one day international thread and the T20 discussion thread.

I always thought what was the need of this thread then, but now i can classify it as a political cricket discussion thread.   By the way I know that this was the first thread about cricket which was created in bitcointalk while the other three were created later.

Many things may come up in the discussion but the main point cannot be ignored. So, it is better to discuss within the mentioned tropic. Basically the name of Tropic is “Cricket match prediction discussions” so here related discussions of Tropic will be important. Generally all types of cricket news can be discussed including cricket match predictions.

Yes but then all other cricket threads also discuss the predictions and outcomes of the matches but in their onw domain like T20, ODI and Test cricket. And in this thread we can discuss all three of them at the same time. Quite redundant i think. Similarly we can discuss the administrative stuff in those others cricketing thread too.

[JSRAW]

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It really is something I have no idea about even if someone outside India or Pakistan becomes the new Chairman of the ICC, they are not allowed to talk about the big four countries. I think anyone from India, Australia, New Zealand, or England is inclined to hope for the best of the big four. At this point, I think even the International Cricket Council might be in favor of this happening.

It is also my impression that I and a lot of other people like me are very concerned about the new ICC Chairman working honestly. At this point, I personally do not care who comes and sits on the chair at the moment. As long as he is honest, he has a good chance of getting the job. For some reason, I believe that this is the one criterion that no one is going to be able to fulfill.

Overall agree with the sentiments but want to correct on 1 small thing.

There are no BIG-4 (Definitely not NZ) in the cricketing world financially, only BIG-3 (Ind, Eng, Aus).

But yes other cricketing boards want to enter this club due to the financial benefits which are related to big Bilateral series deals. Most cricket boards avoid expressing this openly because they hardly put anything on the table, except PCB ( most of the time due to entitlement and sometimes due to genuine reasons when it comes to BCCI).

The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.

Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).

And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.

Pig-3 model was thrown in the dust-bin a few years ago and I don't think that it will be possible to revive it no matter how much the BCCI, ECB and CA try. By now the lower tier test nations have realized the danger in having the pig-3 financial model, and all of them are solidly against that idea. And the voting structure of ICC has also changed, giving two additional slots to Afghanistan and Ireland. For the pig-3 nations, it won't be easy to garner the required majority (9 out of 16 votes) for any such proposal.

Never say never.

I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year.

~snip~

Just to be clear can you tell who is "Rambo" and who is included in "PIG-4" ?
As far as i know, PIG 3 included England, Australia and India, Right    So who is that extra country in PIG four?

Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz.

Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind.

PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan). 

[noormcs5]

Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz.

Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind.

PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan). 

So Ramiz Raja is the chairman for the Pakistan cricket board. But then If Ganguly and the company do not want to include Pakistan in the quadrilateral series, i am afraid Ramiz would not be able to convince them alone. And the ICC chairman would never be from Pakistan for sure not at least until BCCI has the financial power of the cricketing world.

[Sithara007]

Never say never.

I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year.

Well... then it is a concern. And I am even more worried at this point, because Ganguly is no longer associated with the BCCI. If a former cricketer was in BCCI, then there was at least a hope that he would sympathize with the smaller (associate) nations. If the power is in the hands of businessmen and politicians, then we can't expect any such treatment. Before the ICC reveals the numbers in December, the chairman elections are there and may be held by November. It may gave a broad idea in which direction the ICC is moving.

[JSRAW]

Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz.

Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind.

PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan). 

So Ramiz Raja is the chairman for the Pakistan cricket board. But then If Ganguly and the company do not want to include Pakistan in the quadrilateral series, i am afraid Ramiz would not be able to convince them alone. And the ICC chairman would never be from Pakistan for sure not at least until BCCI has the financial power of the cricketing world.

To be fair to Ganguly ( i took the liberty to add "minus Pakistan" because of obvious no bilateral cricket policy) he didn't table the proposal even to BCCI's board members.

Never say never.

I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year.

Well... then it is a concern. And I am even more worried at this point, because Ganguly is no longer associated with the BCCI. If a former cricketer was in BCCI, then there was at least a hope that he would sympathize with the smaller (associate) nations. If the power is in the hands of businessmen and politicians, then we can't expect any such treatment. Before the ICC reveals the numbers in December, the chairman elections are there and may be held by November. It may gave a broad idea in which direction the ICC is moving.

Everyone had the exact same thoughts when he took charge of the BCCI and look what he did. Anyway now Ganguly would again go back to the Bengal cricket board (i assume).

Also heard that BCCI is not recommending him for ICC's post so let's see what happens.