Cricket match prediction discussions

[n0ne]

Cricket has been included for the 2023 Southeast Asian Game. A total of 7 countries are taking part - Indonesia, Cambodia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand (Myanmar is participating only in the women's tournament) out of the total of 11. There are 4 formats that are being played - T10, T20, ODI (50 over) and 6s cricket. Yesterday was the first day and the T20 competition is currently underway. Before this edition, the last time that cricket was included in Southeast Asian Games was way back in 2017, when Malaysia was hosting the games.

Southeast Asian Games authority is interested in adding cricket. When it comes to ICC, they're not interested to apply and get it added to the Olympics. Mostly Asian teams are much into cricket, and all the mentioned teams have complete native players. But traditionally all these teams have got some connectivity with India. So, it is obvious to see names similar to Indian names on the teams of Malaysia, Singapore and Cambodia.

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[Sithara007]

Southeast Asian Games authority is interested in adding cricket. When it comes to ICC, they're not interested to apply and get it added to the Olympics. Mostly Asian teams are much into cricket, and all the mentioned teams have complete native players. But traditionally all these teams have got some connectivity with India. So, it is obvious to see names similar to Indian names on the teams of Malaysia, Singapore and Cambodia.

In case of Malaysia, around half of their players are Malaysian Tamils and that is the reason why you see so many Indian sounding names. The remaining half are ethnic Malays. In recent times, the Malaysian team has become more Malay dominated. In case of Singapore, cricket is mostly played by Singaporean Tamils and Indian expats. However this time, around half of their women's players are Chinese Singaporeans. Cambodia men's team is mostly comprised of foreigners, but their women's team is 100% native.

[Ayers]

The second match is already over. It was between Malaysia and Indonesia. In this match, Malaysia had a very good performance. Malaysia actually one the match by 94 runs. Even though Indonesia did win the first match against Thailand they were no match for Malaysia.
The next match is between the Philippines and Singapore. I really want to see close contested matches. Among the two matches that have been played neither actually have been closely contested in my opinion.

Disappointing for Indonesia. But we need to remember the fact that Malaysia is one of the founding members of the International Cricket Council (ICC). On the other hand, Indonesia started playing cricket very recently. And in both the countries, the squads are 100% native and they don't depend on foreigners. Indonesia won the first match against Thailand, but yesterday they were unlucky. But those who have followed their progress will note down the huge improvements they have made in the recent past. Earlier this year, they participated in the 2023 ICC Under-19 Women's T20 World Cup, and managed to defeat Zimbabwe in one of the matches. They are one of the most populous nations in the world and with some support from the ICC, cricket can expand across the country.

As a relatively new team I think Indonesia is doing quite well. Now the thing is they will need some time to improve. At least to reach a higher level of competitive cricket. I am interested to see how they perform overall in this tournament. I believe that they will be able to make a name for themselves in this tournament.

Of course, Malaysia is going to be better compared to Indonesia. Experience is a big factor in cricket. Indonesia does not have much of that. But it is true that with the help of ICC, they will be able to get better. At the same time cricket needs to be made a more popular sport in Indonesia so that kids are more and more interested in playing cricket professionally when they grow up. By making that happen natural talents will automatically come forward.

[Sithara007]

As a relatively new team I think Indonesia is doing quite well. Now the thing is they will need some time to improve. At least to reach a higher level of competitive cricket. I am interested to see how they perform overall in this tournament. I believe that they will be able to make a name for themselves in this tournament.

Of course, Malaysia is going to be better compared to Indonesia. Experience is a big factor in cricket. Indonesia does not have much of that. But it is true that with the help of ICC, they will be able to get better. At the same time cricket needs to be made a more popular sport in Indonesia so that kids are more and more interested in playing cricket professionally when they grow up. By making that happen natural talents will automatically come forward.

Well.. forget about any help from the ICC. They are simply not interested in spreading the game, ever since Jagmohan Dalmiya was ousted as the ICC president. That organization is currently being run by a bunch of greedy businessmen. But cricket in Indonesia has expanded rapidly (without any assistance from the ICC). There is an inter-provincial tournament, which is held as a part of the National Sports Week.  Last edition saw the participation of provinces from every nook and corner of Indonesia, including the islands of Bali, Jawa, Sulawesi and Kalimantan.

[JSRAW]

Thought about this bold part and seriously yaar cricketers get peanuts if we look at the overall picture.

Even premier cricketers like Kohli also get only $3 Million if we only look at his BCCI + IPL contract, not considering sponsorship etc in this bracket. The situation is worse for other cricketers, no wonder players are looking for financial security. 

Well.. I could agree with that. IPL media rights alone costs some $1.2 billion per year. But the total salaries are only around $115 million, which represents less than 10% of the media rights amount. Now compare this with the English Premier League. Media rights are rumored to be around £3.0 billion per year, and the highest paid player (Enzo Fernandez) is contracted for £106.8 million. Jack Grealish's contract is worth £100 million per year. That is almost 100 times of what Virat Kohli receives from the IPL (not adding in the national contract, since it is not exactly apple to apple comparison).

This debate started popping up in the media as well but not in India tho. Very few pundits addressing this issue.

There are some arguments regarding low percent of amount going to players.

- There is no players union in India.
- IPL is not long enough like other big sporting leagues.
- Franchises do have control but they are still under BCCI's shadow.
- Virtually no cricketing league or board contract is lucrative enough when compared to an IPL paycheck, so hardly any competition and little incentive to Franchise/BCCI.

[Ayers]

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Well.. forget about any help from the ICC. They are simply not interested in spreading the game, ever since Jagmohan Dalmiya was ousted as the ICC president. That organization is currently being run by a bunch of greedy businessmen. But cricket in Indonesia has expanded rapidly (without any assistance from the ICC). There is an inter-provincial tournament, which is held as a part of the National Sports Week.  Last edition saw the participation of provinces from every nook and corner of Indonesia, including the islands of Bali, Jawa, Sulawesi and Kalimantan.

Of course, ICC is not going to invest in these countries or teams which are actually showing potential. They will invest in those teams which are not made out of native players. Which will eventually hurt the game in the long run. I am sure that ICC is thinking about money but they at least could help these teams out a little.

The officials which are running the show in the ICC are probably thinking about them not being in the authority for a long period of time. That's why they are more worried about earning a good amount of money instead of thinking about how the game can be better.

So far Indonesia has shown good improvement. I wonder how long it will take for the ICC to actually recognize these cricket teams and actually help them with some money.

[Sithara007]

Of course, ICC is not going to invest in these countries or teams which are actually showing potential. They will invest in those teams which are not made out of native players. Which will eventually hurt the game in the long run. I am sure that ICC is thinking about money but they at least could help these teams out a little.

The officials which are running the show in the ICC are probably thinking about them not being in the authority for a long period of time. That's why they are more worried about earning a good amount of money instead of thinking about how the game can be better.

So far Indonesia has shown good improvement. I wonder how long it will take for the ICC to actually recognize these cricket teams and actually help them with some money.

I am still waiting for the news on ICC revenue distribution model for the next cycle (2024-2027). This time the revenue from media rights increased by almost 4 times and we can expect an increase in allocation for everyone. Already it is rumored that BCCI's share will be increased from 22% as of now, to around 37% (they want it to be increased even further). As of now, only around 5% of the ICC revenue ends up with the associate nations. And even in this share, teams like UAE and USA get preference due to the new performance-based system.

[Ayers]

I am still waiting for the news on ICC revenue distribution model for the next cycle (2024-2027). This time the revenue from media rights increased by almost 4 times and we can expect an increase in allocation for everyone. Already it is rumored that BCCI's share will be increased from 22% as of now, to around 37% (they want it to be increased even further). As of now, only around 5% of the ICC revenue ends up with the associate nations. And even in this share, teams like UAE and USA get preference due to the new performance-based system.

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.

Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

[Sithara007]

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.

Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).

[ilovealtcoins]

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).

I think we all should realize by now that the ICC actually does not care about the state of cricket. They are only worried about what is going on in the top 5 or 6 teams. And I want to sleep a leave that they are absolutely careless about what goes on in the associate countries. How can the national team have players from another country? What's the point of a national team being made by foreign players? At least give them citizenship and make them a legal citizens of your country and then get him in the national team. But ICC seems to be less worried about that and more worried about some bullshit agenda like black lives matters etc.

[n0ne]

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.

Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).

That's true, cricket rules are completely different and ICC doesn't care about it. ICC play its role only when the four powers of cricket experience some problem. According to me, playing with foreign players is not an issue. Let the funding be provided equally to every team than the performance based system. Even in football it is possible to see the players descent from two different countries and the kid playing for another nation. This doesn't come under foreign playing just because the player is born in that country.

[BobK71]

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.

Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).

That's true, cricket rules are completely different and ICC doesn't care about it. ICC play its role only when the four powers of cricket experience some problem. According to me, playing with foreign players is not an issue. Let the funding be provided equally to every team than the performance based system.

Since the ICC higher officials are mostly big 4 supporters they always support those countries. There may be many other reasons for this, especially the economy. The amount of revenue ICC gets from the Big 4 is not possible by any other countries. On the other hand, paying equally to all countries would not be rational. Because the cost of a team of Big 4 is not the same as the cost of a weaker team. If you follow this rule, the small cricket countries will benefit, but the big 4 will suffer. Which I think will never be possible.

[Negotiation]

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).

I think we all should realize by now that the ICC actually does not care about the state of cricket. They are only worried about what is going on in the top 5 or 6 teams. And I want to sleep a leave that they are absolutely careless about what goes on in the associate countries. How can the national team have players from another country? What's the point of a national team being made by foreign players? At least give them citizenship and make them a legal citizens of your country and then get him in the national team. But ICC seems to be less worried about that and more worried about some bullshit agenda like black lives matters etc.

If you want to do well, you have to think anew there is no doubt about it but since the ICC is actually the status of cricket cup head-to-head. There is also the thought of whether it is right to spend more on it this time ICC is not doing that they want to put cricket in reverse. Cricket is supposed to be popularized where additional teams are given the opportunity to play in the World Cup. Test team Zimbabwe has fallen behind due to problems with cricket.

[Ayers]

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.
Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).

That's true, cricket rules are completely different and ICC doesn't care about it. ICC play its role only when the four powers of cricket experience some problem. According to me, playing with foreign players is not an issue. Let the funding be provided equally to every team than the performance based system.

When a kid starts playing for a country from a young age that's not a problem. But when they are trying to make a team with people who basically came to the country to find work or just visiting that's the actual problem. The best solution will be to just make those players the citizens of the country. That way no one is going to question anything and the government is also going to be responsible for them.

Since the ICC higher officials are mostly big 4 supporters they always support those countries. There may be many other reasons for this, especially the economy. The amount of revenue ICC gets from the Big 4 is not possible by any other countries. On the other hand, paying equally to all countries would not be rational. Because the cost of a team of Big 4 is not the same as the cost of a weaker team. If you follow this rule, the small cricket countries will benefit, but the big 4 will suffer. Which I think will never be possible.

One thing is sure that ICC is not going to do anything which will not be in the best interest for the top 4 teams. They will always think about the top 4 teams first, after that, they will see if that is even good for the game or not. You know that ICC actually does not run the big four, the big four is actually the one running ICC.

[romero121]

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.

Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).

That's true, cricket rules are completely different and ICC doesn't care about it. ICC play its role only when the four powers of cricket experience some problem. According to me, playing with foreign players is not an issue. Let the funding be provided equally to every team than the performance based system.

Since the ICC higher officials are mostly big 4 supporters they always support those countries. There may be many other reasons for this, especially the economy. The amount of revenue ICC gets from the Big 4 is not possible by any other countries. On the other hand, paying equally to all countries would not be rational. Because the cost of a team of Big 4 is not the same as the cost of a weaker team. If you follow this rule, the small cricket countries will benefit, but the big 4 will suffer. Which I think will never be possible.

ICC never makes any statement against the decisions made by the four. This is known, and the revenue is the biggest factor that gives them the power. So, until something go against them we can't be see changes happening as expected. Even with the Asia Cup, the council is in favour of India. There is proper reason, but it is not in a stand to accept or favour Pakistan. So, we can't expect native player issue to change.

[Sithara007]

That's true, cricket rules are completely different and ICC doesn't care about it. ICC play its role only when the four powers of cricket experience some problem. According to me, playing with foreign players is not an issue. Let the funding be provided equally to every team than the performance based system. Even in football it is possible to see the players descent from two different countries and the kid playing for another nation. This doesn't come under foreign playing just because the player is born in that country.

In football if a player is allowed to represent two different countries, that is because he holds the citizenship of both these nations. Diego Costa is an example. He was born in Brazil and represented that country, before switching to Spain in 2014. A more recent example is that of Rogelio Funes Mori, who switched from Argentina to Mexico. Anyway, no one complains when 1-2 players are included from other nations. But the problem is when all the 11 players are foreigners, and none of the natives are included in the playing XI (this is the case with 80% of the associate teams).

[Ayers]

That's true, cricket rules are completely different and ICC doesn't care about it. ICC play its role only when the four powers of cricket experience some problem. According to me, playing with foreign players is not an issue. Let the funding be provided equally to every team than the performance based system. Even in football it is possible to see the players descent from two different countries and the kid playing for another nation. This doesn't come under foreign playing just because the player is born in that country.

In football if a player is allowed to represent two different countries, that is because he holds the citizenship of both these nations. Diego Costa is an example. He was born in Brazil and represented that country, before switching to Spain in 2014. A more recent example is that of Rogelio Funes Mori, who switched from Argentina to Mexico. Anyway, no one complains when 1-2 players are included from other nations. But the problem is when all the 11 players are foreigners, and none of the natives are included in the playing XI (this is the case with 80% of the associate teams).

Well at least in football they have the citizenship to play for that respective country. But in cricket that is not the case. In cricket, anyone can play for any country. That is wondering which ICC have to make a change on.

We certainly wouldn't have made any comments if only 1 or two or even 3 players were actually from another country presenting the national team. But the problem has come when 10/11 players are from another country. ICC also knows very well that those associate teams which are actually made out of foreign players actually do not have any intention of getting better in cricket. They are just here to find some profit.

[Vaskiy]

That's true, cricket rules are completely different and ICC doesn't care about it. ICC play its role only when the four powers of cricket experience some problem. According to me, playing with foreign players is not an issue. Let the funding be provided equally to every team than the performance based system. Even in football it is possible to see the players descent from two different countries and the kid playing for another nation. This doesn't come under foreign playing just because the player is born in that country.

In football if a player is allowed to represent two different countries, that is because he holds the citizenship of both these nations. Diego Costa is an example. He was born in Brazil and represented that country, before switching to Spain in 2014. A more recent example is that of Rogelio Funes Mori, who switched from Argentina to Mexico. Anyway, no one complains when 1-2 players are included from other nations. But the problem is when all the 11 players are foreigners, and none of the natives are included in the playing XI (this is the case with 80% of the associate teams).

Well at least in football they have the citizenship to play for that respective country. But in cricket that is not the case. In cricket, anyone can play for any country. That is wondering which ICC have to make a change on.

We certainly wouldn't have made any comments if only 1 or two or even 3 players were actually from another country presenting the national team. But the problem has come when 10/11 players are from another country. ICC also knows very well that those associate teams which are actually made out of foreign players actually do not have any intention of getting better in cricket. They are just here to find some profit.

I don't think the focus on having a national team atleast with the foreign players is to show the team's presence. It doesn't look like they're behind the money that is being funded for the respective cricket board. There is no native players interested in cricket, maybe for that reason the sports authority of the respective country might've made plans of having foreign players added to the team. ICC knew everything and this continues till some problem arises between the native and foreign players.

[Sithara007]

Well at least in football they have the citizenship to play for that respective country. But in cricket that is not the case. In cricket, anyone can play for any country. That is wondering which ICC have to make a change on.

We certainly wouldn't have made any comments if only 1 or two or even 3 players were actually from another country presenting the national team. But the problem has come when 10/11 players are from another country. ICC also knows very well that those associate teams which are actually made out of foreign players actually do not have any intention of getting better in cricket. They are just here to find some profit.

At this point, a country such as Norway receives almost the same amount of funds as Nepal. And the funds are significant (~$200,000 per year). Nepali players are struggling, because they need to fund the domestic cricket and school cricket as well with this amount, and the players are all native. On the other hand, teams like Norway and Sweden are 100% composed of foreign players and the cricket board has no recognition from the sports ministries in these countries. Whatever funds provided by the ICC is shared between the players and they don't spend any of that amount to increase the popularity of cricket, or to teach the sport to schoolkids. This is a big scam and has been going on for many years now. Hundreds of millions of USD worth of ICC funds are being stolen by undeserving people.

[JSRAW]

A detailed breakdown of ICC's proposed revenue distribution model. It's still not final as they'll still discuss this with all the boards.

This proposed amount mentioned here is for 1 year, the complete cycle is 4 years (2024-2027).

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bcci-projected-to-earn-us-230-million-per-year-in-icc-s-new-finance-model-1374623