Butterflylabs Huge SCAM

[ibminer]

You got THAT one wrong?  You get EVERY ONE wrong, come on... at least be a little accurate.

As for it being FACT that I'm a liar, I suggest you look up the definition of FACT. You apparently are unable to understand what a FACT is, just like you are unable to understand the difference between BFL and EMC.

As far as your Jalapeno goes, I suggest you contact the FTC and ask them.  If you are considering it stolen, then the FTC is the one you should be seeking compensation from.

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

That would clearly be you.

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

Which was... wait for it... instigated by the FTC.  Do you think Federal courts just randomly hand things out without prompting by some party?  Do you think the Federal court is overseeing operations?  What a moron...

If I were to jump into warped Josh world for a second, then why would we not be taking this one step further and say you are blaming your own  customers, whom are likely the ones who complained to the FTC in the first place, aren't they the true instigators?   Shouldn't they be seeking compensation from themselves?    

And didn't you recently tell someone to lookup the definition of a FACT?          

Seek help Josh  

[MooC Tals]

I thought Butterfly Labs owned Eclipse Mining Consortium (EMC).

What's this "difference" argument ?

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.19.pdf
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.20.pdf

MS. MITHAL: This is the deposition of
Josh Zerlan in the matter of FTC versus Butterfly
Labs, Inc., Case No. 4-CV-815 WBCW, pending in the
Western District of Missouri



This one is great, where Josh's attorney advises him not to answer the question. I can't imagine why 


... On Eclipse Mining Consortium Ownership

MY AVATAR SAY'S IT ALL. The biggest scummy scamming bags of shit I have come across. Fucken lying sacks a dog shit.

They burn equipment you pay for on a pool that competes with existing equipment and hold that paid for product till it basically has no more relevance as a bitcoin miner.

As a thank you they even make you pay for shipping.

Anyone who buys from BigFuckenLiars is an absolute moron. << This statement will never be taken back

[eoakland]

Inaba/Josh is a dirtbag

[L3G1T]

Woooow that's unbelievable  to be honest.

[mindrust]

Wow, i am surprised to be honest.

Being the sector leader and coming with this scam??

Disrespectful, unbelieveble. Shame on you butterfly.

[supbits]

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.166.1.pdf

During the course of this investigation, I found multiple instances wherein Butterfly Labs attested to the profitability of their mining machines. True and correct copies of such statements are attached here as Atts. C – F.

One of the attached threads includes a post from username “Inaba,” which is a username utilized by Josh Zerlan, VP Product Development for Butterfly Labs. Mr. Zerlan identified himself as the individual behind username “Inaba” on a separate thread posted on bitcointalk.org on September 11, 2012. Mr. Zerlan further explains that his other username is “BFL_Josh” when posting on the forum threads. A true and correct copy of this post is available upon request.

lmao. there's even more in the document.

[darkmule]

This one is great, where Josh's attorney advises him not to answer the question. I can't imagine why 

A bit of silly buggers there, actually.  Generally almost anything is fair game in a deposition.  If the plaintiffs felt like it, they could probably get a motion to compel testimony (and the other side gets slapped with the attorney fees for such a motion if you win it).  I guess they didn't feel like the hassle, but there's some reason they didn't want that question answered.

[eoakland]

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

That would clearly be you.

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

Which was... wait for it... instigated by the FTC.  Do you think Federal courts just randomly hand things out without prompting by some party?  Do you think the Federal court is overseeing operations?  What a moron...

Josh, it's hard to believe that you are still posting on the forum.  I guess crooks really do return back to the scene of the crime. 

[Inaba]

Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

[QuestionAuthority]

Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

How proud I am that this fine forum has respected "Legendary" members such as yourself to guide the new members.

I'm curious about one thing. Did you ever count the number of sock puppet accounts you made? I'm guessing they number in the hundreds. I remember watching an argument between you and Garr where more socks appeared than I could count. It was so stupid to watch. This new member suddenly appears with one post, is cognizant of the issue being discussed and interjects into the conversation like a pro. Hilarious!

[Inaba]

Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

How proud I am that this fine forum has respected "Legendary" members such as yourself to guide the new members.

I'm curious about one thing. Did you ever count the number of sock puppet accounts you made? I'm guessing they number in the hundreds. I remember watching an argument between you and Garr where more socks appeared than I could count. It was so stupid to watch. This new member suddenly appears with one post, is cognizant of the issue being discussed and interjects into the conversation like a pro. Hilarious!

Yes, I have zero sock puppets.  I have two accounts, my personal account, this one and my BFL account, BFL_Josh, which I haven't logged into in a long time.  I may have a third account I made years ago but I have not used or logged into it for years.  Beyond that, I have no other accounts nor do I use any other accounts.  Same goes for the BFL forums.  Unlike you and many others, I don't need sock puppets to try to prop up my points.  See, the problem with you is that your points and arguments are so thin and shaky, you need people to agree with you.  My points are all backed up by facts and evidence, so they don't need sock puppets.

You might want to try it sometime.

[QuestionAuthority]

Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

How proud I am that this fine forum has respected "Legendary" members such as yourself to guide the new members.

I'm curious about one thing. Did you ever count the number of sock puppet accounts you made? I'm guessing they number in the hundreds. I remember watching an argument between you and Garr where more socks appeared than I could count. It was so stupid to watch. This new member suddenly appears with one post, is cognizant of the issue being discussed and interjects into the conversation like a pro. Hilarious!

Yes, I have zero sock puppets.  I have two accounts, my personal account, this one and my BFL account, BFL_Josh, which I haven't logged into in a long time.  I may have a third account I made years ago but I have not used or logged into it for years.  Beyond that, I have no other accounts nor do I use any other accounts.  Same goes for the BFL forums.  Unlike you and many others, I don't need sock puppets to try to prop up my points.  See, the problem with you is that your points and arguments are so thin and shaky, you need people to agree with you.  My points are all backed up by facts and evidence, so they don't need sock puppets.

You might want to try it sometime.

I don't know why you won't admit it. It's not illegal to have sock puppet accounts and I know you're lying. I watched you quickly making accounts to argue with Garr. I also checked those accounts later and found that all the posts had been deleted or those accounts never posted again. It was blatantly obvious that they were controlled by you. To be fair, Garr was also making sock puppet accounts during that argument. By the way, did you delete all of your posts in that thread where you were holding delivery of Garrs order over his head to control him?

[Inaba]

Well, there you go, lying again. I did not and have never created sock puppet accounts... so any statement to the contrary is, by definition, a lie.  But what's to be expected from someone of your caliber?  Unable to admit that they are wrong and unable to back up any assertions with facts.  Unlike myself, as I said, I back up all my assertions with facts and evidence. You do neither of those things.

I have deleted no posts from this forum. Well, that's not true, I've deleted the occasional post just after posting it... but if a post has been left up for any length of time, I do not delete it and rarely edit it.  If any of my posts are deleted, you'll have to talk to a moderator about that.  Again, unlike you, I have nothing to hide and stand behind my posts, even if they may end up being wrong.  You, on the other hand, post mostly false information and outright lies, so it's rather immaterial if you delete them or not, since the majority of them, like the one above, contain nothing but lies.

[QuestionAuthority]

Well, there you go, lying again. I did not and have never created sock puppet accounts... so any statement to the contrary is, by definition, a lie.  But what's to be expected from someone of your caliber?  Unable to admit that they are wrong and unable to back up any assertions with facts.  Unlike myself, as I said, I back up all my assertions with facts and evidence. You do neither of those things.

I have deleted no posts from this forum. Well, that's not true, I've deleted the occasional post just after posting it... but if a post has been left up for any length of time, I do not delete it and rarely edit it.  If any of my posts are deleted, you'll have to talk to a moderator about that.  Again, unlike you, I have nothing to hide and stand behind my posts, even if they may end up being wrong.  You, on the other hand, post mostly false information and outright lies, so it's rather immaterial if you delete them or not, since the majority of them, like the one above, contain nothing but lies.

Well that's quite a statement. However, I am willing to testify in court under oath that I witnessed the account you are posting from now threaten to withhold the delivery of mining equipment. Hum, what's that FTC contact email again?

[Inaba]

If by "with hold" you mean "cancel" then I agree... I hope you do testify. I would love to see the judge say "Oh? Is that so? A company chose not to do business with a customer and gave them a refund? And your point again? What's that, the only point you have is on top of your head? Get out of my court room you idiot."

[QuestionAuthority]

If by "with hold" you mean "cancel" then I agree... I hope you do testify. I would love to see the judge say "Oh? Is that so? A company chose not to do business with a customer and gave them a refund? And your point again? What's that, the only point you have is on top of your head? Get out of my court room you idiot."

So you think they wouldn't care about you holding the equipment hostage and not returning his money? Is that the reason you didn't ship to your customers? You chose not to do business with any of them you just wanted their money? That is funny. I knew if I talked to you long enough I could get you to make me laugh.

[Inaba]

Sure, they might care about that... but that never happened.  So your hypothetical scenario is irrelevant.  If that's what you think happened, that just shows how uninformed you are.  Ignorance is no excuse for posting bullshit, sorry. You should elect not to post.

[QuestionAuthority]

Sure, they might care about that... but that never happened.  So your hypothetical scenario is irrelevant.  If that's what you think happened, that just shows how uninformed you are.  Ignorance is no excuse for posting bullshit, sorry. You should elect not to post.

I don't think the fact that you didn't ship is very hypothetical at this point. I think that's pretty well known. I wonder if anyone has asked Garr if he would be willing to testify or at least write a sworn deposition?

[Inaba]

I like how you keep changing the facts of your post with each subsequent post of lies you make that I dismantle.  You never once have supported your assertions. 

First is was sock puppets, which you provided no evidence for.
Then it that I deleted posts, which you provide no evidence for.
Then it was with holding equipment and not providing a refund, which you provide no evidence for.
Now it is "you didn't ship," which is also a false statement. 

I look forward to how you try to spin it yet again into something else.

[QuestionAuthority]

I like how you keep changing the facts of your post with each subsequent post of lies you make that I dismantle.  You never once have supported your assertions. 

First is was sock puppets, which you provided no evidence for.
Then it that I deleted posts, which you provide no evidence for.
Then it was with holding equipment and not providing a refund, which you provide no evidence for.
Now it is "you didn't ship," which is also a false statement. 

I look forward to how you try to spin it yet again into something else.

You really live in your own little world of denial, don't you? Why don't you ask PayPal how well you shipped. I don't have to provide evidence to you for anything, only to the court.