[ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers

[MalReynolds]

hmmm you know a lot of math.  I think you might try and do a 69% attack on the network.  No vote.

LOL!   I'm not as smart as I think I am, if I tried something sneaky it would fail.  It always has in my past!

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[Wolf Rainer]

From the ICO I have like 150k coins or something.. How will I get my coins when the time comes?

Putting the Phrase in the wallet and generating the address.

[dzarmush]

Where i can check the 3600 Bitcoins of ICO? Is the adress public?

Not exactly, but here's the proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C3aE9cyTdw

[gravitate]

From the ICO I have like 150k coins or something.. How will I get my coins when the time comes?

Putting the Phrase in the wallet and generating the address.

COOL! easy as CHIPS. Thanks

[punkrock]

[pugilist555]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

[MaGNeT]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

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[twistelaar]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

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Well if it follows ETH price, we all be fine 

[dzarmush]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

Depends on investors. I analyzed previous projects and expect at least x10 in a few weeks. But less experienced investors might sell at x3 or less. You never know.

[MalReynolds]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

It's never too soon to ask.  It's probably time for me to post the ICO spreadsheet links again you can make your own estimates.

NOTE I HAVE ADDED A NEW SPREADSHEET LISTING DAILY ICO TOTAL DONATIONS!

Follow the numbers here as they change over the rest of the Lisk ICO:

How Many Lisk You Will Receive For One Bitcoin (BTC)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iOEdaRnBmSAO5miW7xYheeYUgo5wL9l9BONw6x21nQg/edit?usp=sharing

How Many Lisk You Will Receive For One Crypti (XCR)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GwWKK7bpjYTxtQRIq_l2xiKI9rEOpTU1oTt0q3C6Mc8/edit?usp=sharing

The Satoshi Price For One Lisk

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q2MJ25_bK5Yi60FYohYCUEkujUtL5c0P1dOdlDMPMBI/edit?usp=sharing

Lisk ICO Daily Donations

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j1sOFyPa3ZPr6QuG7pzuJtw9DHy4BNuoWw5Iu9N9MiQ/edit?usp=sharing

[vlight]

One question to you guys. If we now have your system and a group with 20% of all LISK. These guys can now split the 20% LISK between 20 accounts and vote 20 delegates into the top 101, which will stay there forever.

Where is my thinking error? The current system would be much better, because it could prevent it. Your system couldn't do anything.

Yes you are right, but the cost would be 20% of Lisk to grab 20 spots, instead of 1% to grab 20 spots

Please see my post above. It seems you don't understand our current system. With 1% you will never grab any seat at Lisk. Not if you are on your own and alone to vote for yourself.

How is anyone going to get votes? What's in it for the voters? Is this a popularity contest?

Voters are going to vote to get something out of it. So then they all join a pool (who might steal a little weight from each one). Then how will this be decentralized?

This whole system is a recipe for centralization at every turn. First you exclude entire countries by imposing unreasonable liabilities on signatories, then you must join a pool to make it worth your time to vote and even then there is no guarantee that you will get representation for your vote.

In the end, people will vote for Donald Trump because he is a well funded showman, and Chase bank because they have the lawyers to combat the agencies.

You have completely ignored the exposure of signatories to liability by making them reveal their identities.

DPOS was invented by BitShares devs back in 2014. I understand your concerns, but this was discussed many times before back in a day. BTS uses it successfully, and so will the Lisk.

[bitseedmike]

[LiskHQ]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

Depends on investors. I analyzed previous projects and expect at least x10 in a few weeks. But less experienced investors might sell at x3 or less. You never know.

In your x3 to x10 analysis, did you factor in that people are trusting a college student with millions of euros?

Can he compete with Vitalik as a CEO if he's balancing this project and 40+ hours per week trying to finish an engineering degree?

For your interest. I'm full time Lisk. I obviously canceled all my exams. Right now I'm working over 100 hours for Lisk every week. I cannot compete with Vitalik on mathematical/theoretical dicussions. If we talk about user experience I'm miles ahead. For other characteristics I don't know Vitalik good enough.

Personally, I like to compare Lisk's approach to Apple's. We build an all-round solution here: Dapps, Sidechains, Dapp Store, Clients, Explorer, Faucet etc. with the best possible user experience for our users.

Medium long-term (6-12 months) we are tackling the mainstream crowd. Looking outside of the crypto-currency community, getting fresh blood into Lisk. To do this, we need to make some drastic changes and bold moves. However, Oliver and I definitely know what sort of applications a "regular user" can manage and what areas of a crypto-currency platform should better be hidden from them.

[TomArayaSlaya]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

Depends on investors. I analyzed previous projects and expect at least x10 in a few weeks. But less experienced investors might sell at x3 or less. You never know.

In your x3 to x10 analysis, did you factor in that people are trusting a college student with millions of euros?

Can he compete with Vitalik as a CEO if he's balancing this project and 40+ hours per week trying to finish an engineering degree?

For your interest. I'm full time Lisk. I obviously canceled all my exams. Right now I'm working over 100 hours for Lisk every week. I cannot compete with Vitalik on mathematical/theoretical dicussions. If we talk about user experience I'm miles ahead. For other characteristics I don't know Vitalik good enough.

Personally, I like to compare Lisk's approach to Apple's. We build an all-round solution here: Dapps, Sidechains, Dapp Store, Clients, Explorer, Faucet etc. with the best possible user experience for our users.

Medium long-term (6-12 months) we are tackling the mainstream crowd. Looking outside of the crypto-currency community, getting fresh blood into Lisk. To do this, we need to make some drastic changes and bold moves. However, Oliver and I definitely know what sort of applications a "regular user" can manage and what areas of a crypto-currency platform should better be hidden from them.

Man your words make me proud to be part of this coin! Thank you for your dedication. Only a good leader can bring lisk to the high level of crypto

[cryptoboy.architect]

Would developers be able to deploy working DApps directly on the blockchain, without requiring a web site? It's pretty weak that most sites running ETH DApps still require a domain system to operate.

What will the discovery mechanism for that be?

I think the following would be really good for a first DApp - decentralized forum, where people can discuss DApp ideas and form dev teams

[LiskHQ]

Would developers be able to deploy working DApps directly on the blockchain, without requiring a web site? It's pretty weak that most sites running ETH DApps still require a domain system to operate.

What will the discovery mechanism for that be?

I think the following would be really good for a first DApp - decentralized forum, where people can discuss DApp ideas and form dev teams

You need to access the dapps through our dapp store. The dapp is either hosted on the node you are using, or your own computer. That means you don't need to rely on a centralized server for the dapp.

If you still want to do it, then it's unfortunately not possible right now. In the future we will obviously add the option to access a dapp through a domain on one server.

[bitseedmike]

For your interest. I'm full time Lisk. I obviously canceled all my exams. Right now I'm working over 100 hours for Lisk every week.

That is real dedication. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to make, considering how far you were advanced in your education.

[MalReynolds]

For your interest. I'm full time Lisk. I obviously canceled all my exams. Right now I'm working over 100 hours for Lisk every week.

That is real dedication. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to make, considering how far you were advanced in your education.

Oh, Max.  You have decided to follow in the college dropout path of lazy slackers like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg.  Are you crazy?  Don't you have any idea what happened to those guys once they abandoned the traditional path of education?

I shall pray for you.

[cryptoboy.architect]

Would developers be able to deploy working DApps directly on the blockchain, without requiring a web site? It's pretty weak that most sites running ETH DApps still require a domain system to operate.

What will the discovery mechanism for that be?

I think the following would be really good for a first DApp - decentralized forum, where people can discuss DApp ideas and form dev teams

You need to access the dapps through our dapp store. The dapp is either hosted on the node you are using, or your own computer. That means you don't need to rely on a centralized server for the dapp.

If you still want to do it, then it's unfortunately not possible right now. In the future we will obviously add the option to access a dapp through a domain on one server.

I thought there is integration with Sia though.

[LiskHQ]

Would developers be able to deploy working DApps directly on the blockchain, without requiring a web site? It's pretty weak that most sites running ETH DApps still require a domain system to operate.

What will the discovery mechanism for that be?

I think the following would be really good for a first DApp - decentralized forum, where people can discuss DApp ideas and form dev teams

You need to access the dapps through our dapp store. The dapp is either hosted on the node you are using, or your own computer. That means you don't need to rely on a centralized server for the dapp.

If you still want to do it, then it's unfortunately not possible right now. In the future we will obviously add the option to access a dapp through a domain on one server.

I thought there is integration with Sia though.

I'm talking about the installed dapps a user is using. Not where the dapp data is stored. Anyway, we removed Sia. It was absolutely not suitable for our system. In the future we are going to implement IPFS.