[ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers

[tm2013]

Would developers be able to deploy working DApps directly on the blockchain, without requiring a web site? It's pretty weak that most sites running ETH DApps still require a domain system to operate.

What will the discovery mechanism for that be?

I think the following would be really good for a first DApp - decentralized forum, where people can discuss DApp ideas and form dev teams

You need to access the dapps through our dapp store. The dapp is either hosted on the node you are using, or your own computer. That means you don't need to rely on a centralized server for the dapp.

If you still want to do it, then it's unfortunately not possible right now. In the future we will obviously add the option to access a dapp through a domain on one server.

I thought there is integration with Sia though.

I'm talking about the installed dapps a user is using. Not where the dapp data is stored. Anyway, we removed Sia. It was absolutely not suitable for our system. In the future we are going to implement IPFS.

What particular advantages does IPFS offer which influenced your decision to choose their system? Why not just construct a network of storage servers, bootstrapped off of the BitTorrent mainline DHT, and network them using ECC bitcoin keypairs? From there, you can construct a simple library to interface with the storage network.

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[cannabanana]

For your interest. I'm full time Lisk. I obviously canceled all my exams. Right now I'm working over 100 hours for Lisk every week.

That is real dedication. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to make, considering how far you were advanced in your education.

Oh, Max.  You have decided to follow in the college dropout path of lazy slackers like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg.  Are you crazy?  Don't you have any idea what happened to those guys once they abandoned the traditional path of education?

I shall pray for you.

who are those guys?

[jasemoney]

why not use maid for dapp storage

[rezilient]

who are those guys?

Those guys are the persons suffering a major problem on life on how they can spend their unlimited money.

9 days left

[cannabanana]

why not use maid for dapp storage

why don't we all just give up on crypto.  How many times will someone come in just to say, why not do this with "Insert coin name here"? 

why should anyone want to create something new or keep progressing the blockchain technology?

Wasn't Bitcoin Perfect?

[rikky05]

why not use maid for dapp storage

why don't we all just give up on crypto.  How many times will someone come in just to say, why not do this with "Insert coin name here"? 

why should anyone want to create something new or keep progressing the blockchain technology?

Wasn't Bitcoin Perfect?

There are ways to progress on the bitcoin or block chain technology by creating new coins or assets, but its not easy, so most of them dont worth anything.

[jasemoney]

why not use maid for dapp storage

why don't we all just give up on crypto.  How many times will someone come in just to say, why not do this with "Insert coin name here"?  

why should anyone want to create something new or keep progressing the blockchain technology?

Wasn't Bitcoin Perfect?

There are ways to progress on the bitcoin or block chain technology by creating new coins or assets, but its not easy, so most of them dont worth anything.

right lets carry on this type of conversation in a thread about another coin which wont worth anything either. great.

its unreasonable to form or suggest partnerships now?

[raithe]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

Depends on investors. I analyzed previous projects and expect at least x10 in a few weeks. But less experienced investors might sell at x3 or less. You never know.

In your x3 to x10 analysis, did you factor in that people are trusting a college student with millions of euros?

Can he compete with Vitalik as a CEO if he's balancing this project and 40+ hours per week trying to finish an engineering degree?

For your interest. I'm full time Lisk. I obviously canceled all my exams. Right now I'm working over 100 hours for Lisk every week. I cannot compete with Vitalik on mathematical/theoretical dicussions. If we talk about user experience I'm miles ahead. For other characteristics I don't know Vitalik good enough.

Personally, I like to compare Lisk's approach to Apple's. We build an all-round solution here: Dapps, Sidechains, Dapp Store, Clients, Explorer, Faucet etc. with the best possible user experience for our users.

Medium long-term (6-12 months) we are tackling the mainstream crowd. Looking outside of the crypto-currency community, getting fresh blood into Lisk. To do this, we need to make some drastic changes and bold moves. However, Oliver and I definitely know what sort of applications a "regular user" can manage and what areas of a crypto-currency platform should better be hidden from them.

Good to hear.  Looking forward to launch.

[Badman0316]

Would developers be able to deploy working DApps directly on the blockchain, without requiring a web site? It's pretty weak that most sites running ETH DApps still require a domain system to operate.

What will the discovery mechanism for that be?

I think the following would be really good for a first DApp - decentralized forum, where people can discuss DApp ideas and form dev teams

You need to access the dapps through our dapp store. The dapp is either hosted on the node you are using, or your own computer. That means you don't need to rely on a centralized server for the dapp.

If you still want to do it, then it's unfortunately not possible right now. In the future we will obviously add the option to access a dapp through a domain on one server.

I thought there is integration with Sia though.

I'm talking about the installed dapps a user is using. Not where the dapp data is stored. Anyway, we removed Sia. It was absolutely not suitable for our system. In the future we are going to implement IPFS.

How about Storjx?
Storjx have potential.

[bitseedmike]

IPFS is an opensource protocol which can be integrated directly within Lisk without having to rely on a separate coin.

[dzarmush]

Any idea what the expected price on launch is? Or is it too soon to ask??

Depends on investors. I analyzed previous projects and expect at least x10 in a few weeks. But less experienced investors might sell at x3 or less. You never know.

In your x3 to x10 analysis, did you factor in that people are trusting a college student with millions of euros?

Can he compete with Vitalik as a CEO if he's balancing this project and 40+ hours per week trying to finish an engineering degree?

I don't find any of your agrumentd solid. Max is a college student? Vitalik is a kid, dude ) Mark was a kid either when he built Facebook. Times has changed. Now 20 (years old) is new 40.

If I was Max, I'd leave college anyway. College is a good thing to find a job and have a boring life. Max proved to be a person who doesn't need a degree to achieve something.

[dzarmush]

2,4 BTC to 4000  Not including 832 BTC worth of XCR

[dzarmush]

So, that means that you guys have already set up arrangements with exchanges to add Lisk?

I understand when you do not want to announce it before coin release. However, when will this information be officially announced?

Which will be the exchange where Lisk will be available? (exchange with BTC for example)

We can't disclose this information. It's a matter of the exchanges if they want to announce it already or not.

It's not like I don't "want" to disclose the information. I just "can't". We will announce it as soon as possible.

Kraken was allowing Ethereum investors to load their pre-sale wallet directly into Kraken here before start of trading: https://www.kraken.com/ether

See: Load your pre-sale wallet directly into Kraken:
https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/2875/load-your-pre-sale-wallet-directly-into-kraken-without-transfer
http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/comment/11739

Given the size of Lisk ICO, I think you should reach out to Kraken. I'm sure they will welcome Lisk with open arms.

Kraken is the real deal to attract serious investors. Bittrex & Poloniex trading & deposit/withdraw limits are laughable.

It doesn't make much sense to go to exchanges asap. Everybody who heard about Lisk will be investing during ICO. It's probably better to show some progress after the launch, make some buzz, get published on Coindesk and then go to exchanges.

[Cryptoartist]

Question for Max / Lisk Devs -

I'm sure you guys are familiar with NXT 2.0 design proposal and how it solves the blockchain scalability problem.

From what i understand of the lisk technical design, it is very similar to NXT's sidechain solution but with a turing complete layer and a slightly different consensus model - DPOS instead of POS.

Now my question is this - Does this mean that all the advantages of NXT 2.0 when it comes to scalability and blockchain bloat are also applicable to Lisk?

Is Lisk a NXT 2.0 inspired, Ethereum alternative with Bitshares' consensus model?  

[Bigcabrito]

It doesn't make much sense to go to exchanges asap. Everybody who heard about Lisk will be investing during ICO. It's probably better to show some progress after the launch, make some buzz, get published on Coindesk and then go to exchanges.

I tend to agree. The ICO has been a success for quite some time now, it's now time to pay full attention and dedication to succeeding as a platform.

[redcastle]

2,4 BTC to 4000  Not including 832 BTC worth of XCR

4000 is massive what if doubles before the end?

[punkrock]

2,4 BTC to 4000  Not including 832 BTC worth of XCR

XCR is "worthless".

[ZenFr]

2,4 BTC to 4000  Not including 832 BTC worth of XCR

4000 is massive what if doubles before the end?

The LISK ROI double.

[MaGNeT]

2,4 BTC to 4000  Not including 832 BTC worth of XCR

4000 is massive what if doubles before the end?

That would be a good thing, having a larger budget Lisk could attract more developers, PR, etc.

[dzarmush]

2,4 BTC to 4000  Not including 832 BTC worth of XCR

XCR is "worthless".

Not yet. Let's see how Olivier and Max deal with it.