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March 21, 2016, 11:41:13 PM
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One need remember that atheism is religion, blah blah blah

Why do you insist on making ignorant claims about Atheism... please stick to making ignorant claims about your own religion, thanks

Why do you insist on misleading people with ignorant-like claims about Atheism.

Why do you insist on calling Atheism a religion?

Is it so you can point and say, "haha, you're a religion too"?  I don't get it...

What are you really asking? The reasons that I do things are my reasons.

The thing that is so difficult to understand is, why do atheists, who are constantly looking for scientific and other truth, deny that atheism is a religion in the face of the dictionary definitions that prove that it is?

Why do you question me about why I do things? Are you going on some kind of defensiveness regarding this atheism issue? Are you trying to sweep the truth under the rug, because if you don't, you will find that God really does exist after all?

What in the world do you have against God? If you happened to be a cripple in a wheelchair, you still have your life and the ability to think and respond in a forum. God gave you these things. So why are you so adamantly against God?

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One need remember that atheism is religion, according to the dictionary definitions. Even if it isn't religion somehow, it is so close that it might as well be. Anything that one holds against religion for being religion, one can hold against atheism with the same correct fervor.

The strange thing about atheism that makes it a self-contradictory religion is, most atheists won't consider that atheism is a religion. This makes atheism a religion of non-religion. Atheists are some of the strongest religiously faithful people because of this.

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Atheism is not a religion.


If you say it enough, you just might strengthen your atheism religious faith.   Grin   Just don't look up those nasty dictionary definitions. They just might destroy your atheism faith.

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Of all the dictionary definitions I looked at more than 90% mentioned gods or supernatural beings at being integral to a religion. I have more faith in dictionaries than you do.

Now you seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions, and that you believe them, too. Self-contradictory atheist.

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No, I don't seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions. I'll write this more simply for you:

In all dictionary definitions of "religion" the vast majority are not consistent with atheist belief.

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Being a ‘Bright’ Darkens the Intellect

By John C. Wright from his column EveryJoe THE WRIGHT PERSPECTIVE
http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/11/being-a-bright-darkens-the-intellect/#more-14843

Atheism Causes Brain Damage

There are two kinds of atheist: a rational atheist, whose disbelief in God is grounded on some rational reason he can articulate, and an irrational atheist, who hates a God in which he allegedly does not believe, grounded on various unseemly appetites emotions and passions (anything from an infatuation with sin to a hunger for fads to a hatred of moral reality) passing with furious clamor through echoing emptiness of his brain. A rational atheist is one with whom one can have a rational discussion, and be a dispassionate as a judge in a courtroom. An irrational atheist has something wrong with his brain, and he belongs on a psychiatric couch.

I have noticed of late the rational atheists are disappearing and the irrational atheists blooming, and fear I know the cause.

In my youth, one could find from time to time an honest and thoughtful man who, not believing in God, could give a rational and honest reason for his disbelief.

He could say it was a logical contradiction to say an omnipotent and benevolent creator could permit evil a place in his creation, since a creator lacking the ability to forestall evil is not omnipotent, or, lacking the motive, not benevolent.

Or the rational atheist could say an omniscient being possessing or bestowing free will was paradoxical, since only the acts of an unfree will can be foreknown.

The rational atheist could say that natural causes were sufficient to explain the cosmos and man’s role in it, ergo so no inquiry into supernatural causes is needed.

Or a rational atheist could say that Christian theology was essentially the same as pagan mythology, and since even Christians admit such myths are manmade falsehoods, there is no rational way to defend one myth as true while condemning all others as false.

Finally, a rational atheist could point out various inconsistencies in the Bible or in Church tradition, or enormities committed by followers of Christ, to lend weight to any doubts one might entertain in taking the Bible or the Church as a trustworthy authority or trustworthy witness. This final argument is not meant to prove atheism is true, merely that it is a sound position.

I regret to report that, so far in my career as a Christian, not one of these rational atheist arguments has been encountered by me.

Not one.

The reader can read a more coherent argument against the existence of God in Thomas Aquinas, where he states the opposing position he intends to disprove, than you can find in any modern atheist tract.

Instead one encounters arguments not worth refuting, illiterate blither about Christianity and Science being at war, or ahistorical nonsense about the Jihad and the Crusades being somehow equivalent.

Instead one encounters spokesmen for atheism not worth speaking to. There was one fellow, a credentialed academic, who offered to debate with me. I was wary, but he agreed to my condition that he sign a vow to avoid personal attacks, and so I thought that, for once, I would get some intellectual exercise against an opponent in my weight class. How wrong I was. His vow lasted not even through the first exchange, when he discovered that I did not believe what his bigoted idea of slack-jawed yokel Christianity said I should believe.

The fellow – out of courtesy I withhold his name – was unable mentally to process the idea that I was not adhering to the script, and so he insisted, yes, insisted that I believed what he script said I should believe. When I politely informed him that I believed what I said I believed, and not whatever make-believe he made believe I believed, he scolded me. He immediately brought out the whole infantile panoply of sneering condescension, mock astonishment, mockery, raillery, and accusation, for daring to say that my beliefs were not what his script said they were, and my reasons were those I gave, not those he wanted me to give. So much for his vow of civility.

And this jackanapishness is not the rare exception issuing from teenaged pens, but the mainstream of atheist apologetics from grown men, journalists and academics. The modern books are simply unconvincing, illogical, petulant, juvenile and jejune bilge water.

What happened to the rational atheist? Where did he go?

What has happened in the intervening years between Colonel Ingersol and Thomas Paine, Voltaire and Edward Gibbon, famous skeptics who made rational and trenchant arguments against Christianity, men of hefty intellect and solid learning, able to brandish a pen like a rapier, and this blundering band of fumble-brained bigots of the current era, who cannot articulate any argument, trenchant or otherwise, against Christianity, because they cannot argue at all, only carp and scold?

What made a whole generation of freethinkers less free and less thoughtful than their forefathers? The answer is easy to see once one sees what the basic argument in favor of Christianity is.

According to apologist Frank Turek, the basic argument in favor of Christianity can be nicely summed in three philosophical questions, and one historical question.

The historical question is whether the testimony given in the New Testament is true. The philosophical questions are whether miracles can take place; whether God exists; and whether truth is true.

A rational Christian (for, yes, there are irrational ones) approaches these questions in reverse order. He first reasons that truth must exist, on the grounds that even those who deny it, affirm it. A man who says “there is no truth” is proposing that statement to be accurate and honest to its subject matter, that is, he is proposes the statement to be a true statement.

Of the several arguments for the existence of God, the easiest to grasp is to observe nature, and affirm the principle that all effects spring from causes, that is, nothing comes from nothing. Since nothing come from nothing, no effect can arise without a cause sufficient to explain it.

Now, we call the sum total of all natural events the cosmos. The cosmos either had a beginning, or not.

If it had no beginning, then all chains of cause and effect reach backward endlessly to no first cause.

But this beginningless chain of events is like supposing we could see a line of railroad cars without a first car, that is, without an engine to impart speed to the second car.

We see one car pulled by the car before it, which in turn is being pulled by another before it, and we wonder why this cannot continue endlessly.

Perhaps we imagine is a traintrack that circles the globe, with each car attached to the one in front, and the whole line is in motion; or perhaps we imagine a track reaching across an infinite flat plain with an endless line of cars rushing past.

But no matter how we imagine an engineless train, if there is no engine, we cannot imagine why these cars are moving at their present speed, and not some other speed, not ten miles per hour more quickly or more slowly. We cannot imagine why they should be moving at all.

Likewise, whether one imagines the cosmos, as the Hindu holds, as an endless circle of eternally returning events, or imagines it, as the Steady State theory holds, as an endless line reaching forever back into the infinite past with no first point, one cannot imagine what defines the cosmos in its current form. Why is it not ten percent larger or smaller, or free from entropy, or with different physical constants, or not in existence at all?

Positing an infinite chain of causation posits that something, the current speed of the railcars, or the current situation of the universe, comes from nothing, from nowhere, for no reason. But our first principle of cause and effect rejects this.

We can, as some physicists hold, throw out the baby with the bathwater, and say that cause and effect does not apply in all times and places, and did not exist at the early stages of the universe. This merely nullifies all rational thinking about events in time, whether scientific or otherwise.

Obviously it puts the physicist who says it out of a job as much as if he had offered a resignation. And it is a paradox: once he admits there is no cause and effect, he admits he can know nothing about the universe, and this includes whether or not there is no cause and effect or not. If effects arise without causes, then, apparently, something called the law of cause and effect could pop into existence tomorrow for no reason. You see, once you say anything comes from nothing, in effect you say everything does.

Hence from philosophical reasoning alone, we can deduce the cosmos must have had a beginning before which was neither time nor space, matter nor energy.

Again, since no effect arises without a sufficient cause, the cause of the cosmos must be something outside the sum of all natural events.

What is outside nature is supernatural.

The cause which gave rise to time and matter must therefore be eternal and immaterial, that is, a timeless spirit.

By definition, no physical event or natural reaction prompted this cause to become a cause, hence it must have been a mental event, a decision, a deliberate act of will, a fiat.

But no decision takes place absent a decider, no deliberation without a deliberation, no act of the will without an actor, no creation without a creator.

Therefore this cause is a person, or, at least a being with something like a personality, a will. Outside time, this creator logically must be able to see the beginnings and ends of all things within the time he creates, hence he is properly called omniscient; and being potent enough to create the cosmos, that is, having the power to set in motion all things that require power to set them in motion, he is the source and sum of all power, hence called omnipotent.

Hence from philosophical reasoning alone, we can deduce a creator, and deduce attributes (supernatural, eternal, omnipotent and omniscient) rightfully called divine. From this argument we can defend Deism, the watchmaker God of the philosophers, but not the specifics of the Christian faith.  That defense rests on another type of argument, an historical argument.

Christianity is not a philosophy, like Deism; it makes a specific historical claim, hence philosophical reasoning absent historical reasoning is insufficient to defend it.

(This, by the way, was the point my craven interlocutor mentioned above pretended not to understand, claiming that I was saying Christianity was based on blind and irrational faith. When I politely denied I had said or implied any such thing, and corrected his misquotes of me, he found himself unprepared to argue against a defender of the faith armed with reason, and so he addressed all his further magniloquence to Straw-Man Wright, and none to me.)

Now, miracles we can define as divine intervention: a natural event arising from a supernatural cause. If no miracles are possible by definition, we need not look into the evidence or testimony of any particular miracle. If, however, even one miracle is shown to have happened, this opens the possibility that others have as well, and therefore each reported case of an alleged miracle must be examined on the merits of the evidence.

But we have just defined a miracle as a natural event arising from a supernatural cause. The creation of the cosmos we have deduced to be such an event, since nature did not exist before time and matter and the sum total of what we call nature existed. Hence miracles are possible.

This leaves us with this question of the historical accuracy of the testament affirmed in the New Testament. Not being a philosophical argument, the persuasive value here depends on the weight given the evidence, and each bit of evidence must be examined prudently both in its own right and in how it fits into the historical picture.

Such a minute argument is far too tedious to repeat in this short column, but the conclusion of any honest examination of the record is brief enough to utter in a sentence: no one disputes the testimony for historical reasons, only for philosophical reasons.

No one says, for example, that since a manuscript contains a report of a miracle but also of many other anachronisms or things contradicted by other sources, that manuscript is false and hence the otherwise credible the miracle ought not be believed. The skeptic only ever argues that, taking it as given that miracles do not exist, a manuscript containing a report of a miracle is by definition unreliable, even if it contains no anachronisms and the non-miraculous events so reported are confirmed by other contemporary sources.

But the alleged historical untrustworthiness of the Bible is always the starting point of the so-called freethinker who wants to erode the authority of the biblical testimony.

Yet these arguments rapidly founder when the standards applied to any other historical argument about the reliability of an ancient document are employed: the fact that the Bible has more copies, more contemporary or near-contemporary confirmation, than any other ancient document undermines any legitimate skepticism. There is more evidence that Jesus Christ existed and did the things he is reported to have said and done than there is evidence that Julius Caesar existed and did what he is said to have done. There are more and clearer documentary evidence of Saint Paul than of Cicero. And so on.

The freethinker soon finds his historical nitpicking at the Bible is futile unless he addresses an audience that already, and for philosophical rather than historical reasons, does not believe in miracles.

But, as we have seen, to disbelief in miracles requires eventually a disbelief in the creator, which, in turn, requires either a disbelief in cause and effect, a disbelief in the cosmos, or a disbelief in the truth, or, (what amounts to much the same thing) a disbelief in man’s ability to know the truth.

Each step takes about a generation or two to trickle down through the philosophical and academic world and into common parlance. Hence, starting in about the 1870s, Bible scholarship ironically called Higher Criticism was all the rage among German scholars, and many results were noised about which have since been exploded.

In the Victorian days, one generation later, the idea of a universe without a creator was promoted either tentatively or zealously by Darwin, Freud and Marx, all allegedly in a scrupulously scientific and progressive way. Marx has been as thoroughly discredited as it is possible for a mortal to be: not even hardcore Marxists take him literately any more; Freud is discredited; and the scientific opinion within my lifetime slipped from Darwin being held as an unquestioning part of the standard model of the universe, to merely a strong, but unprovable, hypothesis with many gaps and unanswered questions, paradoxes, and lapses. The fossil record does not show the continuous and gradual descent with modification Darwin proposed, and theories of ‘punctuated equilibrium’ propose no mechanism for what causes the equilibrium to remain stable for some geological eras, only to erupt into multiplicity in various ‘explosions’ of new species appearing in the fossil record.

In any case, while Marxism and Freudianism are incompatible with Christian notions of the dignity of man, Darwin, despite the claims of Biblical literalists, is not. The freethinkers have an insufficient basis just on Darwin alone to erect their vision of a materialistic universe where life arises from nonlife nondeliberately, and selfawareness arises from nonselfawareness nondeliberately, and and where somehow the selfawareness becomes aware of the laws of morality, which no one deliberately invented, but seem to be discovered as if pre-existent.

These ideas trickled down into common parlance from the Turn of the Century to gain greatest cachet in the 1930s, lending glamour to Nazism and Communism and other scientifically eugenic schemes for godless utopia. These ideas were debunked slowly during the postwar years as another generation of intellectuals came to the fore in the 1960s.

And so, confronted with a century of being driven back, step by step, failure by failure, the freethinkers in my generation in the 1960s, who still were capable of reason in the long lost days of my youth, had to abandon the last branch of the tree where atheism could hide.

Rather than confess that the universe must have a creator, and that therefore miracles must exist, and that therefore the reports of miracles in the Gospel are not automatically incredible, the freethinkers preferred to go full postmodern, and deny that truth exists.

So they sawed off the branch on which they were sitting.

This is the philosophical stance called Nihilism. It is an adoration of nothingness, the belief that all accounts of the universe are merely narratives, perhaps erected for utility or for sinister political purposes, but in any case, none having any special priority over another.

All truth is a personal decision, like picking your favorite clothing to wear, and all philosophy is dead. But if all philosophy is dead, then all philosophies are irrational, including that philosophy believing in no grand truths called Nihilism. Nihilism is the only philosophy which, by definition, calls itself irrational.

This doubling down on unreason took place throughout the academic world, and, later the media world, in the 1980s and 1990s, after I was graduated from college. The academic, intellectuals, and elite, as a consensus, slowly but surely made the decision that they would rather embrace unreason than admit belief in God was reasonable.

And so they did: all the absurdities of political correctness, that is, the self-refuting idea that one must believe what is politically expedient is true rather what is true is true; all the absurdities of multiculturalism, that is, the  self-refuting idea that the moral, political, philosophical and scientific progress of the West is no better than the backwardness and barbarism of cultures lacking that progress; all the absurdities of moral relativism, the self-refuting principle that there are no principles, and that is it absolutely evil to believe any evil is an absolute evil; and in a word all the nonsense of our utterly insane and irrational intellectual class, all of it springs from this turning point in the intellectual retreat from Christianity.

In my youth, it was possible for a man to believe in absolute truth without believing in God. All rational atheists so believe.

In the modern climate, it is realized that the belief in absolute truth forces one eventually to recognize absolute standards in moral law, that is, a law unbound by time and space, and the existence of such standards logically imply a law-giver to whom one is morally bound to obey, but the only lawgiver unbound by time and space must be a supernatural one: a god.

While it is a logically self-consistent philosophical position to hold, as I did, that moral law can be objective without a God to legislate it, one finds that the intellectual elite of the West cannot maintain that position: because the emotional reason why they wished to escape from God in the first place  was because they wished to escape the moral law.

In order to promote and protect sin, even well educated men, once they lose the belief in God, soon find themselves unwilling, or perhaps unable, to articulate any rational reason defending the position.

The habit of argumentation falls to one side. Schools no longer teach it, and men can get doctorates these days without ever once, not once, participating in an honest question and answer about any intellectual matter.

The ability to entertain an idea without believing that idea is lost. The art of debate is lost. The art of thought is lost.

And the atheists, by their own unwillingness to look truth in the face, lobotomize their own ability to support or defend their position. Their atheist philosophy becomes merely an emotional decoration to their life, a plume for their cap, something they stock on the shelves of their empty brains like bric-a-brac.

Sin darkens the intellect. The reason why is because reason shows the sinner what his sin really is. He reaches the point of no return: either he abandons sin, and repents, and embraces the cold truths of reason, or embraces sin more closely, doubles the dose until he overdoses, and abandons reason.

And that is why, if you want to hear a rational and rigorous argument defending the atheist position, you have to go to Thomas Aquinas, or come to me.


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March 22, 2016, 01:15:20 AM
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One need remember that atheism is religion, according to the dictionary definitions. Even if it isn't religion somehow, it is so close that it might as well be. Anything that one holds against religion for being religion, one can hold against atheism with the same correct fervor.

The strange thing about atheism that makes it a self-contradictory religion is, most atheists won't consider that atheism is a religion. This makes atheism a religion of non-religion. Atheists are some of the strongest religiously faithful people because of this.

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Atheism is not a religion.


If you say it enough, you just might strengthen your atheism religious faith.   Grin   Just don't look up those nasty dictionary definitions. They just might destroy your atheism faith.

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Of all the dictionary definitions I looked at more than 90% mentioned gods or supernatural beings at being integral to a religion. I have more faith in dictionaries than you do.

Now you seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions, and that you believe them, too. Self-contradictory atheist.

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No, I don't seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions. I'll write this more simply for you:

In all dictionary definitions of "religion" the vast majority are not consistent with atheist belief.

Of course, to atheists they wouldn't be. Atheist say, we not have a religion by dictionary definition. By saying this, they are showing that they have a religion by the dictionary definition. Silly atheists.

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Why are you so scared of Atheists?

They are rather nice people once you get to know them...
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One need remember that atheism is religion, according to the dictionary definitions. Even if it isn't religion somehow, it is so close that it might as well be. Anything that one holds against religion for being religion, one can hold against atheism with the same correct fervor.

The strange thing about atheism that makes it a self-contradictory religion is, most atheists won't consider that atheism is a religion. This makes atheism a religion of non-religion. Atheists are some of the strongest religiously faithful people because of this.

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Atheism is not a religion.


If you say it enough, you just might strengthen your atheism religious faith.   Grin   Just don't look up those nasty dictionary definitions. They just might destroy your atheism faith.

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Of all the dictionary definitions I looked at more than 90% mentioned gods or supernatural beings at being integral to a religion. I have more faith in dictionaries than you do.

Now you seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions, and that you believe them, too. Self-contradictory atheist.

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No, I don't seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions. I'll write this more simply for you:

In all dictionary definitions of "religion" the vast majority are not consistent with atheist belief.

Of course, to atheists they wouldn't be. Atheist say, we not have a religion by dictionary definition. By saying this, they are showing that they have a religion by the dictionary definition. Silly atheists.

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You're either not understanding or being intentionally obtuse so I'll explain for you one more time.

"Not consistent with atheist belief" means that the definition of religion includes supernatural agencies. Nearly all dictionary definitions require a belief in the supernatural in order to be a religion. Therefore nearly all definitions of religion are not consistent with atheism.


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You're either not understanding or being intentionally obtuse so I'll explain for you one more time.

"Not consistent with atheist belief" means that the definition of religion includes supernatural agencies. Nearly all dictionary definitions require a belief in the supernatural in order to be a religion. Therefore nearly all definitions of religion are not consistent with atheism.

I'm starting to think CoinCube and BADecker are closet-atheists...

Similar to homophobia being linked to closet-homosexuals... I'm willing to bet there is a correlation between anti-atheists and closet-atheists
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Every religion is poisonous enough if you a person doesnt know faith properly.
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In a world full of retards, intelligence is a curse. It has always been that way.

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In a world full of retards, intelligence is a curse. It has always been that way.

That's right. But should we stay unintelligent to live an "easier" life? I don't think so. Actually the lives of unintelligent people are also hard but they just fail to notice it drinking alcohol and taking drugs. So I think it is still better to be intelligent even though it is a curse. )

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March 22, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
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In a world full of retards, intelligence is a curse. It has always been that way.

That's right. But should we stay unintelligent to live an "easier" life? I don't think so. Actually the lives of unintelligent people are also hard but they just fail to notice it drinking alcohol and taking drugs. So I think it is still better to be intelligent even though it is a curse. )


i perfectly understand and thats how i always thought when i was younger. you could make the case that the unintelligent have harder lives if you look at it objectively. like they say ignorance is bliss. i believe that subjectively, the unintelligent is more often than not the happier one. i have read somewhere that IQ has some sort of a "sweet spot" for happiness. somewhere around 125. theres a lot of truth to it. we like to think we're rational beings. i believe we really are not. all we have are expost facto rationalizations of our hearts desires, no matter how intelligent we think we are. i am writing this with a feeling of frustration. although i feel some kind of sick pleasure of gaining this "wisdom" if i may say.

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March 22, 2016, 04:48:22 PM
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In a world full of retards, intelligence is a curse. It has always been that way.

That's right. But should we stay unintelligent to live an "easier" life? I don't think so. Actually the lives of unintelligent people are also hard but they just fail to notice it drinking alcohol and taking drugs. So I think it is still better to be intelligent even though it is a curse. )


i perfectly understand and thats how i always thought when i was younger. you could make the case that the unintelligent have harder lives if you look at it objectively. like they say ignorance is bliss. i believe that subjectively, the unintelligent is more often than not the happier one. i have read somewhere that IQ has some sort of a "sweet spot" for happiness. somewhere around 125. theres a lot of truth to it. we like to think we're rational beings. i believe we really are not. all we have are expost facto rationalizations of our hearts desires, no matter how intelligent we think we are. i am writing this with a feeling of frustration. although i feel some kind of sick pleasure of gaining this "wisdom" if i may say.

I particularly hate that IQ sweet spot... 125 IQ is where you find nothing but asshats and wise-asses... people who get used to being smarter than most people, and start to think they are the smartest guy on the planet (like Donald Trump)... they only seem happy, because they get a small modicum of joy out of trolling stupid people... but trolls are never truly happy

After the troll-creating sweetspot of 125 IQ, there is a break around 140 IQ, where people less troll-like, but still not happy... mostly saddened by all the ignorance and stupidity in the world, and the understanding that you can't fix stupid
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One need remember that atheism is religion, according to the dictionary definitions. Even if it isn't religion somehow, it is so close that it might as well be. Anything that one holds against religion for being religion, one can hold against atheism with the same correct fervor.

The strange thing about atheism that makes it a self-contradictory religion is, most atheists won't consider that atheism is a religion. This makes atheism a religion of non-religion. Atheists are some of the strongest religiously faithful people because of this.

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Atheism is not a religion.


If you say it enough, you just might strengthen your atheism religious faith.   Grin   Just don't look up those nasty dictionary definitions. They just might destroy your atheism faith.

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Of all the dictionary definitions I looked at more than 90% mentioned gods or supernatural beings at being integral to a religion. I have more faith in dictionaries than you do.

Now you seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions, and that you believe them, too. Self-contradictory atheist.

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No, I don't seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions. I'll write this more simply for you:

In all dictionary definitions of "religion" the vast majority are not consistent with atheist belief.

Of course, to atheists they wouldn't be. Atheist say, we not have a religion by dictionary definition. By saying this, they are showing that they have a religion by the dictionary definition. Silly atheists.

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By dictionary atheism might be a religion. As atheist oppose religion, they won't agree with it. They also try to exploit others with their beliefs.

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No, I don't seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions. I'll write this more simply for you:

In all dictionary definitions of "religion" the vast majority are not consistent with atheist belief.

Of course, to atheists they wouldn't be. Atheist say, we not have a religion by dictionary definition. By saying this, they are showing that they have a religion by the dictionary definition. Silly atheists.

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You're either not understanding or being intentionally obtuse so I'll explain for you one more time.

"Not consistent with atheist belief" means that the definition of religion includes supernatural agencies. Nearly all dictionary definitions require a belief in the supernatural in order to be a religion. Therefore nearly all definitions of religion are not consistent with atheism.



"Not consistent with atheist belief" shows atheism as a religion because of the word "belief." That word alone points out that atheism is probably a religion. When you add to "belief" the rest of the dictionary definitions of "religion," you find that atheism is either religion, or so extremely close to religion that you can't tell for a fact that it is not a religion. In fact, nearly the only opposition to atheism being a religion comes from atheists who, inaccurately, claim atheism is not a religion. Since they claim such against the definitions, they have a religion of non-religion. Such a religion is self-contradictory, just as atheists in general are self-contradictory.

Furthermore, the only way that the law of cause and effect can be overcome is by finding pure randomness. If there is no pure randomness anywhere, cause and effect rules. (We see cause and effect all over the place throughout our lives and the operations of the universe. We have yet to detect anything at all that we can state with certainty is pure randomness.) However, if we found pure randomness somewhere, then we would be able to say that there is supernatural. Why? Because randomness could be anything, natural or supernatural or unnatural.

There is a beginning to the universe. If there were no beginning, that is, if the universe went on forever and ever into past history, entropy would have long ago turned everything into an evenly distributed "substance," and there would be no complexity whatsoever. Because of this, there is supernatural only in the Creator God, the Great First Cause of the whole universe.

It is really a shame that you atheists waste your time on something as ridiculous as the stupidity of atheism.

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It is really a shame that you atheists waste your time on something as ridiculous as the stupidity of atheism.

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Mmm, it hasn't gone unnoticed that the person who wastes the most time talking about atheism on this forum is infact.................    yourself.
And when your tired of rambling on about that, you bore everyone wasting even more time promoting this false god of yours.

You really should to get out of the house more. Would do you the world of good.







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It is really a shame that you atheists waste your time on something as ridiculous as the stupidity of atheism.
Mmm, it hasn't gone unnoticed that the person who wastes the most time talking about atheism on this forum is infact.................    yourself.
And when your tired of rambling on about that, you bore everyone wasting even more time promoting this false god of yours.

You really should to get out of the house more. Would do you the world of good.

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I am an atheist and I don't think about atheism 1/10th as much as BADecker does...

The only time I think about atheism is when I come across some asshat talking shit about atheists...
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It is really a shame that you atheists waste your time on something as ridiculous as the stupidity of atheism.
Mmm, it hasn't gone unnoticed that the person who wastes the most time talking about atheism on this forum is infact.................    yourself.
And when your tired of rambling on about that, you bore everyone wasting even more time promoting this false god of yours.

You really should to get out of the house more. Would do you the world of good.

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I am an atheist and I don't think about atheism 1/10th as much as BADecker does...

The only time I think about atheism is when I come across some asshat talking shit about atheists...

Since I am showing you several reasons why atheism is not truth, you haven't been able to show anything but talk. So, you are proving yourself to be the thing that you seem to be calling others... others who can give a reasonable explanation where you can't seem to.

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No, I don't seem to be saying that dictionaries are religions. I'll write this more simply for you:

In all dictionary definitions of "religion" the vast majority are not consistent with atheist belief.

Of course, to atheists they wouldn't be. Atheist say, we not have a religion by dictionary definition. By saying this, they are showing that they have a religion by the dictionary definition. Silly atheists.

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You're either not understanding or being intentionally obtuse so I'll explain for you one more time.

"Not consistent with atheist belief" means that the definition of religion includes supernatural agencies. Nearly all dictionary definitions require a belief in the supernatural in order to be a religion. Therefore nearly all definitions of religion are not consistent with atheism.



"Not consistent with atheist belief" shows atheism as a religion because of the word "belief." That word alone points out that atheism is probably a religion. When you add to "belief" the rest of the dictionary definitions of "religion," you find that atheism is either religion, or so extremely close to religion that you can't tell for a fact that it is not a religion.<snip>



Not true. Just because I believe something without being able to prove it doesn't mean I have religious beliefs about it.

As an example I believe you're a dickhead. I can't prove it, but I'm not making a religion of your dickheadedness. Further, if someone is able to prove you're *not* a dickhead, then I'll change my mind about you.

As a contrast, people with religious beliefs are unable to change their minds about their religion even in the face of opposing proof.

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I particularly hate that IQ sweet spot... 125 IQ is where you find nothing but asshats and wise-asses... people who get used to being smarter than most people, and start to think they are the smartest guy on the planet (like Donald Trump)... they only seem happy, because they get a small modicum of joy out of trolling stupid people... but trolls are never truly happy

After the troll-creating sweetspot of 125 IQ, there is a break around 140 IQ, where people less troll-like, but still not happy... mostly saddened by all the ignorance and stupidity in the world, and the understanding that you can't fix stupid
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it seems that at 125 you are smart enough to be anything but not too smart to pay the price of seeing too far. some experts say that below 150 people are still prone to conditioning. after 150 it starts to fade. but from there the torture starts to intensify. add that to the fact that you have less and lees peers of the same caliber of mind as you go to the extreme of the bell curve. people here will be less and less understood by contemporaries, family and friends.

i hear you about 140. i have seen some real life friends, acquaintances, and prominent people who seem to fall around that number. they generally dont have the misplaced confidence of the 125s but they are still vulnerable in some areas. someone said here somewhere that atheism is one of the no-brainers for smart people. if you want to segregate for intelligence, atheism will weed out most of the unintelligent. an even better segregator will be the lack of belief in free will. i know a lot of smart people who are atheist but they really struggle with accepting that their so-called free will is illusory.

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