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January 29, 2013, 05:27:11 PM
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...in that case I'd think it'd be real nice to know when to expect it...

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January 29, 2013, 05:39:43 PM
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...in that case I'd think it'd be real nice to know when to expect it...

well everybody knows bitcoin developers live in their mom's basement and rarely leave home.

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January 29, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
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Begin to calculate:
Avalon have get $60 for shipping from customer!
That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
The costs with DHL or EMS are min. $250.-/unit!

Means 300units x $190(dif) = $57'000.- extra cost for Avalon! (even higher!)

I think, Avalon still looks for cheaper shipping routes, because they don't have the money for shipping!
And by the cheap shippers you dont't get tracking numbers! (But the boat needs 2 month to EU or USA  Wink )
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January 29, 2013, 05:55:52 PM
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UPDATES FOR 2ND BATCH

So, we have a problem. Avalon need the money before this weekend starts to place orders for the parts. For those unbelievers, let's hope Jeff receives his unit before batch #2 starts selling on EST 9:00 AM, January 31st, 2013.

The spec is 6.6 ~ 6.7w per Gh/s. Speed is greater than 60Gh/s, batch size is 600, each unit is $1,500, payment gateway is provided by WalletBit, units will ship starting March 6th to April 5th, 2013.

Keep an eye on http://launch.avalon-asics.com as new information will be released on it every day until review happens.

The following is the no bullshit, no fine print terms of sales for Avalon batch #2.

  • Bitcoin Only - Batch #2 of Avalon will only accept bitcoins. Only Bitcoin will allow us to move half a million USD in a few hours into places they are suppose to go to. This will also allow us to automate the order system. I am aware some EU and SA country will have importing issues due to customs, but I see a possibility for re-sellers to grow and take care of this problem.
  • No Refunds - Avalon has always been a BTO - Build to Order unit, we order materials and parts based on the size of each batch, this allows proper financial management, eliminate back-orders and improve overall efficiency and workflow on how we work. How else did you expect us to produce a functional ASIC unit in the same length of time a competitor has been delayed?
  • No Proof - Jeff and/or Bitcoin Foundation will get their unit and release reviews. Let me remind everyone what I've said month(s) ago, we can not stop people from tinkering and releasing information regarding our product, but we seldom will release any information. We will instead focusing more on killer features, some of which is already hidden in our unit. In this highly cutthroat competitive field, we do what we can to survive.

I applaud every potential customer to think over this carefully, and make the decision seem right to you, and only you. Although I must say: life isn't about "making sure" but rather "enduring the uncertainty".

p.s.
You know Inaba, after all this I think I may have understand your mentality: that moment when people assault on what you believe to be the truth with assumptions and generalizations that has really no merit to the situation at hand.

It is hard not to get mad.

However, I must warn you, don't place trust in the wrong people and what they tell you; for when that moment comes you won't able to meet the advertised specifications, at no real fault of you own besides ignorance since you really believed BFL. Be ready to take the spear to the chest as you were their spoke person. I wish you the best of luck and hope BFL can ship on time for when that time comes this forum can go back into the ol' days of competitive spirit of reducing power consumption and increasing hashrate of each others product.

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January 29, 2013, 05:56:42 PM
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Begin to calculate:
Avalon have get $60 for shipping from customer!
That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
The costs with DHL or EMS are min. $250.-/unit!

Means 300units x $190(dif) = $57'000.- extra cost for Avalon! (even higher!)

I think, Avalon still looks for cheaper shipping routes, because they don't have the money for shipping!
And by the cheap shippers you dont't get tracking numbers! (But the boat needs 2 month to EU or USA  Wink )


I guess they won't have to deliver the package by riding a bicycle for Chinese customers to save the shipping cost. Domestic shipping is pretty cheap.

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January 29, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
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Begin to calculate:
Avalon have get $60 for shipping from customer!
That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
The costs with DHL or EMS are min. $250.-/unit!

Means 300units x $190(dif) = $57'000.- extra cost for Avalon! (even higher!)

I think, Avalon still looks for cheaper shipping routes, because they don't have the money for shipping!
And by the cheap shippers you dont't get tracking numbers! (But the boat needs 2 month to EU or USA  Wink )

Umm...you're suggesting they couldn't be bothered to calculate actual shipping charges before now AND they're too embarrassed to admit this so they're instead shipping $1300 ASIC devices internationally by canoe?

Color me skeptical.

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January 29, 2013, 06:00:55 PM
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Begin to calculate:
Avalon have get $60 for shipping from customer!
That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
The costs with DHL or EMS are min. $250.-/unit!

Means 300units x $190(dif) = $57'000.- extra cost for Avalon! (even higher!)

I think, Avalon still looks for cheaper shipping routes, because they don't have the money for shipping!
And by the cheap shippers you dont't get tracking numbers! (But the boat needs 2 month to EU or USA  Wink )

Umm...you're suggesting they couldn't be bothered to calculate actual shipping charges before now AND they're too embarrassed to admit this so they're instead shipping $1300 ASIC devices internationally by canoe?

Color me skeptical.
Just go to DHL Website and make the calculation!
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January 29, 2013, 06:01:07 PM
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Begin to calculate:
Avalon have get $60 for shipping from customer!
That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
The costs with DHL or EMS are min. $250.-/unit!

Means 300units x $190(dif) = $57'000.- extra cost for Avalon! (even higher!)

I think, Avalon still looks for cheaper shipping routes, because they don't have the money for shipping!
And by the cheap shippers you dont't get tracking numbers! (But the boat needs 2 month to EU or USA  Wink )

Umm...you're suggesting they couldn't be bothered to calculate actual shipping charges before now AND they're too embarrassed to admit this so they're instead shipping $1300 ASIC devices internationally by canoe?

Color me skeptical.

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January 29, 2013, 06:02:21 PM
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I prefer to see source code ...

will be on github soon.

Forgive me if I missed the update on this with all the noise in the thread.

Is the source code on github yet?

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January 29, 2013, 06:02:43 PM
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Begin to calculate:
Avalon have get $60 for shipping from customer!
That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
The costs with DHL or EMS are min. $250.-/unit!

Means 300units x $190(dif) = $57'000.- extra cost for Avalon! (even higher!)

I think, Avalon still looks for cheaper shipping routes, because they don't have the money for shipping!
And by the cheap shippers you dont't get tracking numbers! (But the boat needs 2 month to EU or USA  Wink )

Umm...you're suggesting they couldn't be bothered to calculate actual shipping charges before now AND they're too embarrassed to admit this so they're instead shipping $1300 ASIC devices internationally by canoe?

Color me skeptical.

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January 29, 2013, 06:11:16 PM
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UPDATES FOR 2ND BATCH

So, we have a problem. Avalon need the money before this weekend starts to place orders for the parts. For those unbelievers, let's hope Jeff receives his unit before batch #2 starts selling on EST 9:00 AM, January 31st, 2013.

The spec is 6.6 ~ 6.7w per Gh/s. Speed is greater than 60Gh/s, batch size is 600, each unit is $1,500, payment gateway is provided by WalletBit, units will ship starting March 6th to April 5th, 2013.

Keep an eye on http://launch.avalon-asics.com as new information will be released on it every day until review happens.

The following is the no bullshit, no fine print terms of sales for Avalon batch #2.

  • Bitcoin Only - Batch #2 of Avalon will only accept bitcoins. Only Bitcoin will allow us to move half a million USD in a few hours into places they are suppose to go to. This will also allow us to automate the order system. I am aware some EU and SA country will have importing issues due to customs, but I see a possibility for re-sellers to grow and take care of this problem.
  • No Refunds - Avalon has always been a BTO - Build to Order unit, we order materials and parts based on the size of each batch, this allows proper financial management, eliminate back-orders and improve overall efficiency and workflow on how we work. How else did you expect us to produce a functional ASIC unit in the same length of time a competitor has been delayed?
  • No Proof - Jeff and/or Bitcoin Foundation will get their unit and release reviews. Let me remind everyone what I've said month(s) ago, we can not stop people from tinkering and releasing information regarding our product, but we seldom will release any information. We will instead focusing more on killer features, some of which is already hidden in our unit. In this highly cutthroat competitive field, we do what we can to survive.

I applaud every potential customer to think over this carefully, and make the decision seem right to you, and only you. Although I must say: life isn't about "making sure" but rather "enduring the uncertainty".

p.s.
You know Inaba, after all this I think I may have understand your mentality: that moment when people assault on what you believe to be the truth with assumptions and generalizations that has really no merit to the situation at hand.

It is hard not to get mad.

However, I must warn you, don't place trust in the wrong people and what they tell you; for when that moment comes you won't able to meet the advertised specifications, at no real fault of you own besides ignorance since you really believed BFL. Be ready to take the spear to the chest as you were their spoke person. I wish you the best of luck and hope BFL can ship on time for when that time comes this forum can go back into the ol' days of competitive spirit of reducing power consumption and increasing hashrate of each others product.


Just by reading those *Fine print* terms, they are setting up a large heist. Best of luck to all of you. *BITCOINS* only and *NO REFUNDS*.

Best of luck to all of you. Looks like people will just have to wait on shitty BFL.

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January 29, 2013, 06:37:51 PM
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After all this I've decided I'm sick of the nonsense and I'm starting my own unicorn ASIC company.

more or less retired.
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January 29, 2013, 06:45:41 PM
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After all this I've decided I'm sick of the nonsense and I'm starting my own unicorn ASIC company.

what bitcoin address do i send you my money? do you refund carrot for carrot in case there is a problem?

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January 29, 2013, 06:49:02 PM
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After all this I've decided I'm sick of the nonsense and I'm starting my own unicorn ASIC company.

With hookers? And blackjack?
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January 29, 2013, 07:00:25 PM
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That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
how do you know this 20-30 kg weight? (only estimate?)
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January 29, 2013, 07:00:47 PM
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After all this I've decided I'm sick of the nonsense and I'm starting my own unicorn ASIC company.

Excellent, count me interested! Just a couple of questions.

1) What are the real risks associated with Elmer FUD crashing the party and causing shipping delays?
2) Where do I send my MONEY!

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January 29, 2013, 07:27:49 PM
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After all this I've decided I'm sick of the nonsense and I'm starting my own unicorn ASIC company.

what bitcoin address do i send you my money? do you refund carrot for carrot in case there is a problem?

All refunds in carrots only. NO CABBAGE. NONE> NEVER> EVER>

Carrot coins can be sent here: 1b24o9fgasGiveMeAllYourMoneyForUnicorns

Seriously.

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January 29, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
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That's never enough for this 20-30 (?) kg Box for international shipping!
how do you know this 20-30 kg weight? (only estimate?)

The pictures of the case Ive seen, it doesnt look like a featherweight.

But lets assume its only 5Kg, according to this here:
http://www.ems.com.cn/serviceguide/zifeichaxun/e_zi_fei_cha_xun.html

It would cost 915 CNY, or ~$150 to ship it to the US. A little more to Europe. Did I read they spent $400 to ship one unit to Jeff? That would actually sound about right, except that in that case, they probably only sent 1 (or 2).
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January 29, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
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Care to do our parts order for us then? It sure is easy when you say it, I will seriously hire you if you can find me certain parts that's available for purchase and without a 4-6 week lead time delivery.

Okay. Post here exactly what type of resistors and capacitors you can't get hold of, the quantity you want, and the country you want them shipped to.

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January 29, 2013, 07:46:47 PM
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After all this I've decided I'm sick of the nonsense and I'm starting my own unicorn ASIC company.

Do you have a track record of shipping working hardware?  Avalon and BFL do...


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