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Conditions in this track is special, it's not easy to race 2300m above sea level.

Correct.
Engine will suffer.

2024 F1 Mexico City Grand Prix - Free Practice Results (3)
Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Time
1   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m16.492s
2   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m16.551s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m16.832s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m17.003s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m17.060s
6   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m17.232s
7   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m17.302s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m17.341s
9   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m17.474s
10   Liam Lawson   NZL   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m17.494s
11   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m17.511s
12   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m17.639s
14   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m17.712s
14   Franco Colapinto   ARG   Williams Racing   1m17.787s
15   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m17.798s
16   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m17.819s
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m17.900s
18   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m18.324s
19   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m18.428s
20   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m18.454s

FP3 source time

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1058960/1/2024-f1-mexico-city-grand-prix-final-practice-results

we are alredy 7/10 faster than the past year. pole under 1.16 ?

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Superb performance by Enea as he was untouched since he lead the race and great job by Martin who could pushed his position after overtaking Marq and Pecco.
Tomorrow will be much interesting to watch (hopefully), Marq was not able to compete today (not sure why) because after Martin overtook him, the gap getting bigger till finish.
Pecco and Martin will try their best tomorrow because it is getting closer to the end of the season while the competition between them to be the world champion is still so tough.
These 2 riders should work harder but they should also try to avoid any mistake on the race especially getting crashed should be avoided.

Today's race which took place in rainy conditions was also quite fierce even though after Marc Marquez crashed the race only went like a touring. Because Martin also couldn't do anything when he had to be behind Marquez before Marquez crashed while fighting Bagnaia who was in front. Now the point gap between Bagnaia and Martin is 17 because Martin was able to stay in second position and Bagnaia was able to win fantastically in rainy conditions today. And with two races left in the season, it will certainly be even more exciting because Bagnaia must be more aggressive in the Sprint session and also in the full race session so that he can become world champion this season.

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Now the point gap between Bagnaia and Martin is 17 because Martin was able to stay in second position and Bagnaia was able to win fantastically in rainy conditions today. And with two races left in the season, it will certainly be even more exciting because Bagnaia must be more aggressive in the Sprint session and also in the full race session so that he can become world champion this season.

Bagnaia did what he had to do today, the same for Martin, don't drop out and finish second. Four second places are enough for Martin in the last four races. Bagnaia has the full pressure now and I don't think he can withstand the pressure and take four more wins. I think Marc Marquez is the favourite, especially in Valencia, but will he take points away from Bagnaia as a future team-mate?

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Pole position for Carlos Sainz with Ferrari.
He dominate for the entire weekend so far.
Lecler was able to get the second time but he got a minor slippery on the final turn and lost 2/10 and for that reason he is only on 4th position.

With the disaster from Perez and Piastri out on q3 Ferrai now has a big chance to ear point for the constructor championship.

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Bagnaia did what he had to do today, the same for Martin, don't drop out and finish second. Four second places are enough for Martin in the last four races. Bagnaia has the full pressure now and I don't think he can withstand the pressure and take four more wins. I think Marc Marquez is the favourite, especially in Valencia, but will he take points away from Bagnaia as a future team-mate?

For the end of the season, that is not a consideration for Marquez because he himself will also try to win as long as he has the ability like he did in today's race even though it ended with a crash and coming back into the race with the position he had. With a gap of 17 points, of course Martin doesn't need to win another race because he only needs to be in second place to secure the world championship this season. But Martin will also do more if he still has the chance because Martin is not the type of rider who likes to play it safe in every race, while Bagnaia must always win in the remaining races that are still there and he also has to hope that Martin cannot finish in second place in the four remaining races and that is very bitter for him.

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What a race for Carlos Sainz.
Ferrari did the max he could, he had also a big risk to hit the wall iin the overtake he got with Norris so he should be happy with his 3rd spot and the fastest lap.
Disaster for MAx Verstappena and 20 seconds penalty.

Was a long time I didn't see a 10 second penalty and he got both.

Ferrai now has a good chance for fighting for the constructor championship but the coming tracks should not very Ferrari favorite, especially next one in Brazil where they also have the sprint race.

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Congratulations for the double podium for Ferrari, both Sainz and Charles really showed a very good performance in this race. Although Charles almost had an accident, but fortunately he was very good at controlling his car and managed to stay on track. For RB, this was a pretty unpleasant race, with Max finishing in P8 due to a penalty and Perez finishing in P17 even though this was at his home circuit, this was a race with a bad result for RB, especially with only four grands prix left, of course RB expected a better result than this to secure the driver championship, but unfortunately they couldn't do much. And for HAAS, this is the first time I saw Kmag and Hulkenberg able to finish in the top 10, Ayao Komatsu with his magic hands seems to be able to bring HAAS to be better. Overall this Mexican GP was quite exciting, and I don't regret sleeping late just to wait for the race.

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Ferrai now has a good chance for fighting for the constructor championship but the coming tracks should not very Ferrari favorite, especially next one in Brazil where they also have the sprint race.

Ferrari have developed very well after the break and are now competitive on many tracks, so I am also curious to see how they will do in Brazil, why do you think they will have a hard time in Brazil, because of the track layout or because they were also rather weak there last year?

I think Ferrari can still score some points this season, and I hope they take the performance into the next season and make small progress and no more steps backwards.

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For the first time in a long time I see Ferrari getting stronger after the updates, usually when the car was good Ferrari would go back to third and fourth with the update. So far stability has been the biggest problem for Ferrari and we'll see how they do in the next race. Sainz did a really good job.

I hope Williams can get a little bit closer to the front and we can watch more Sainz. Sainz is a sportsman, he does this sport well and he's a very good driver for the team. Red Bull's cars are way behind. McLaren and Ferrari are very much ahead this term. Even Williams is going to make a lot of noise next year. Red Bull is far from its glory days and that's why Verstappen is unhappy.

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Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Wins   Points
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   7   362
2   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   3   315
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   3   291
4   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   2   251
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   2   240

Pos   Team   Wins   Points
1   McLaren F1 Team   5   566
2   Scuderia Ferrari   5   537
3   Oracle Red Bull Racing   7   512
4   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   3   366

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1059184/1/f1-world-championship-points-after-2024-mexico-city-grand-prix

So we have 4 races left and 2 sprints races.
Getting almost impossible for Leclerc now and very difficult for Norris.

They both need to have a DNF from Max to have a slim chance to even try at this point imho.

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^  I pray to the racing gods...  Please, pleeaaase let the Ferraris have a couple of good races that would make them finish 1 - 2 on the grid!  Would be awesome to see them win the constructors championship for this one and bring the momentum nexr year for Hamilton's arrival.  I'm gonna be no. 1 Hamilton itt for the 2025 season...    Just letting everyone know.

Rooting for him to break Schumacher's record with Ferrari.  It's gonna be a huge historic event for F1, as you guys already know.

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So, redbull confirmed the "asking" to Colapinto managment the possibility of joining RedBull.
Perez basically said his farewall in Instagram two days ago.

So in the end, this could be the last race with Perez for Redbull, and Copainto could subenter next GP for the 3 final GPS.

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I had read the news that in Ricardo Tormo Valencia has experienced a flash flood disaster and caused damage to the road that is often accessed by everyone there. I wonder whether the related parties in Valencia will immediately repair all the damaged important facilities so that the MotoGP event as the closing event of this season is not threatened to be canceled there. Because considering the closing schedule for MotoGP this season is in the middle of next month and that is quite close after the Sepang MotoGP in Malaysia at the end of this week.

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Rain and heavy rain is expected for the whole weekend in Brazil.

follow the money.
One of the Sergio Perez sponsor is going to be linked with Franco Colapinto.

Another big rumor for the next Redbull Driver.

Colapinto will probably take Perez's seat from next week.

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Rain and heavy rain is expected for the whole weekend in Brazil.

follow the money.
One of the Sergio Perez sponsor is going to be linked with Franco Colapinto.

Another big rumor for the next Redbull Driver.

Colapinto will probably take Perez's seat from next week.

Hi coin, sorry for not being here, i was talking about this in others threads of F1.

The info we have here in Argentina is more like this.

Colapinto to RB VISA CASHAPP in 2025, it was gonna be only a loan but since the bad results from Perez they now are gonna buy Colapinto. Lawson to RedBull main team. Perez is out, is gonna be announced in Interlagos.

Tsunoda only remains because of Honda but RB doesnt like him at all.

BUT........ we have another info, IF Lawson not be so good Colapinto can be summoned to RedBull very fast.

So in resume, until now we have Lawson taking Perez seat for this remaining races, not Colapinto yet, but this can change if MercadoLibre put a ton of money.

MercadoLibre is like an amazon in the whole latinamerica, and was the yellow you see in the williams car in last race.

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For the first time in a long time I see Ferrari getting stronger after the updates, usually when the car was good Ferrari would go back to third and fourth with the update. So far stability has been the biggest problem for Ferrari and we'll see how they do in the next race. Sainz did a really good job.

Ferrari really made good use of the break and developed the car in the right direction, very good work from the whole team. The weather doesn't seem to be very good in Brazil this weekend, I'm curious to see how Ferrari can deal with the rain, but I hope that Ferrari can confirm their recent performance in Brazil.

As for the world championship, it now looks as if Verstappen could still save his lead over the finish line.

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Now the point gap between Bagnaia and Martin is 17 because Martin was able to stay in second position and Bagnaia was able to win fantastically in rainy conditions today. And with two races left in the season, it will certainly be even more exciting because Bagnaia must be more aggressive in the Sprint session and also in the full race session so that he can become world champion this season.

Bagnaia did what he had to do today, the same for Martin, don't drop out and finish second. Four second places are enough for Martin in the last four races. Bagnaia has the full pressure now and I don't think he can withstand the pressure and take four more wins. I think Marc Marquez is the favourite, especially in Valencia, but will he take points away from Bagnaia as a future team-mate?

Will Lenovo Ducati team do "team order" to help Pecco to be World Championship?
It sounds possible but at the same time it sounds unreasonable because basically both Pecco and Martin are Ducati riders.
If the competitor is from different factory such as Honda or Yamaha, I'm sure Lenovo Ducati will do team order to help Pecco.
2 Races remaining and the gap is 17 points only which makes the race for the title so tough, 1 mistake may make one of the riders especially Pecco will lose his chance if at the same time Martin win the upcoming race.

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1   Jorge Martin Prima Pramac Racing (GP24)   453.00
2   Francesco Bagnaia Ducati Lenovo Team (GP24)   436.00
3   Marc Marquez Gresini Racing MotoGP (GP23)   356.00

The fight is between these 3 drivers, probably only for the first 2.

Marquez can be who decides the title

Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/championship_tables/content

In the time Alex Marquez will ride gp 2024 next season.
Does he will take the spot of his brother?

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Will Lenovo Ducati team do "team order" to help Pecco to be World Championship?
It sounds possible but at the same time it sounds unreasonable because basically both Pecco and Martin are Ducati riders.
If the competitor is from different factory such as Honda or Yamaha, I'm sure Lenovo Ducati will do team order to help Pecco.
2 Races remaining and the gap is 17 points only which makes the race for the title so tough, 1 mistake may make one of the riders especially Pecco will lose his chance if at the same time Martin win the upcoming race.

Even though Pecco and Martin are Ducati riders, the Lenovo Ducati team could do that by asking for help from other satellite teams. Because they certainly won't be able to ask for that from the riders who are in the Pramac Ducati team itself or Pecco himself can also ask for help from the Rossi academy team to guard him and also to prevent Martin from finishing right behind Pecco in the remaining races. Because if we look at the number of points gap that Martin currently has, he only needs to finish right behind Pecco without having to win again to be able to become world champion this season. And I also want to see what strategy Martin will use to be able to make that happen because the specs of both motorbikes are the same.

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Johnny Herbert who had a big part on Max Verstappen penalties last week is back ad judge on this weekend also.

About Moto GP
They just ran the 1st hour of free practice and the situation is always the same.
Bagnaia and Martin are dominating the situation


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