[Archive] BFL trolling museum

[LazyOtto]

Therefore, when they do eventually ship the announcement should be:

"They're here."

[mrb]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

[DiabloD3]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

Yeah I dont get how that works either.  Says 6000SF is avail, largest space is 6000SF, smallest space is 4800SF and office space is 4800SF (so I'm assuming this only has 2 spaces). Is he only renting some of the space? Does that happen in shit like this?

[squeept]

The wording in all of that smells of a misunderstanding, or some kind of required field on a form that was filled out wrong by the listing agent.

"Will build to suit, but only if you want one specific layout"

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

Yeah I dont get how that works either.  Says 6000SF is avail, largest space is 6000SF, smallest space is 4800SF and office space is 4800SF (so I'm assuming this only has 2 spaces). Is he only renting some of the space? Does that happen in shit like this?

The 1200 SF warehouse space is implied. There is 6000 SF available, 4800 SF of which is considered office space. I simply subtracted the small number from the bigger number to arrive at the warehouse size. This is standard wording in such a classified ad.

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

~Bruno K~

[mrb]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

Yeah I dont get how that works either.  Says 6000SF is avail, largest space is 6000SF, smallest space is 4800SF and office space is 4800SF (so I'm assuming this only has 2 spaces). Is he only renting some of the space? Does that happen in shit like this?

The 1200 SF warehouse space is implied. There is 6000 SF available, 4800 SF of which is considered office space. I simply subtracted the small number from the bigger number to arrive at the warehouse size. This is standard wording in such a classified ad.

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

~Bruno K~

The ad says "smallest space = 4800 sq ft" which implies that they cannot rent only the 1200 sq ft area, but have to rent at least 4800 sq ft. IOW I don't believe your later posts implying that "a dozen workers will share only 1200 sq ft" are correct...

[bce]

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

As far as has been discussed, and as far as I know, the first run of ASICs out of BFL will not involve use of the oven or pick and place machine.  If this is the case, all that'll be needed in the next month or so for product assembly is a pretty simple final-assembly area.

[DiabloD3]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

Yeah I dont get how that works either.  Says 6000SF is avail, largest space is 6000SF, smallest space is 4800SF and office space is 4800SF (so I'm assuming this only has 2 spaces). Is he only renting some of the space? Does that happen in shit like this?

The 1200 SF warehouse space is implied. There is 6000 SF available, 4800 SF of which is considered office space. I simply subtracted the small number from the bigger number to arrive at the warehouse size. This is standard wording in such a classified ad.

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

~Bruno K~

Yes, but whats the 13k number? Is this the total space of the whole building?

[bce]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

I don't know, but this is one big freakin' post!  

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

Yeah I dont get how that works either.  Says 6000SF is avail, largest space is 6000SF, smallest space is 4800SF and office space is 4800SF (so I'm assuming this only has 2 spaces). Is he only renting some of the space? Does that happen in shit like this?

The 1200 SF warehouse space is implied. There is 6000 SF available, 4800 SF of which is considered office space. I simply subtracted the small number from the bigger number to arrive at the warehouse size. This is standard wording in such a classified ad.

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

~Bruno K~

Yes, but whats the 13k number? Is this the total space of the whole building?

I don't know, but this is one big freakin' post!   

[Unacceptable]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

Yeah I dont get how that works either.  Says 6000SF is avail, largest space is 6000SF, smallest space is 4800SF and office space is 4800SF (so I'm assuming this only has 2 spaces). Is he only renting some of the space? Does that happen in shit like this?

The 1200 SF warehouse space is implied. There is 6000 SF available, 4800 SF of which is considered office space. I simply subtracted the small number from the bigger number to arrive at the warehouse size. This is standard wording in such a classified ad.

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

~Bruno K~

Yes, but whats the 13k number? Is this the total space of the whole building?

Someone misquoted a few posts ago & left out the top portion  

Heres the whole "picture":




1200 sq ft isn't that small,I worked in mini/vertical blind factory's in miami,fl & they were in about the same size space.

Organized properly,you'd be surprised what can be done in 1200 sq ft  

BTW,that building was constructed in 1971,it may be grandfathered in without having to install the sprinkler system.

[squeept]

Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. What are you implying? They took delivery at their old building, then had to move it to the new one. Is there some sinister undertone to that that I'm missing?

EDIT 1: Oh, I get it now. Nevermind. Although your assumption that real estate listings are updated in a timely manner is shaky at best.

EDIT 2: "As of Nov. 14th, space was still available" - is that because of this from the third link: "Last Verified 11/14/2012"? Because you skimmed over the part in that flyer where it says "Industrial Property - Off-Market"

EDIT 3: There's also a link to click for some kind of history on the property, which without paying to see the full details, shows several activities for the property in October, coinciding with the dates BFL said. So I don't see the problem, they had the big stuff delivered to the new place before they moved their office stuff over there.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[nathanrees19]

Ermahgerd. Warehouses are so interesting.

[squeept]

Ermahgerd. Warehouses are so interesting.

But their wind turbine killed a bird! They're morally bankrupt and destroying mother nature!

[PuertoLibre]

Therefore, when they do eventually ship the announcement should be:

"They're here."

LazyOtto, you are hereby the king of framing jokes!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. What are you implying? They took delivery at their old building, then had to move it to the new one. Is there some sinister undertone to that that I'm missing?

EDIT 1: Oh, I get it now. Nevermind. Although your assumption that real estate listings are updated in a timely manner is shaky at best.

EDIT 2: "As of Nov. 14th, space was still available" - is that because of this from the third link: "Last Verified 11/14/2012"? Because you skimmed over the part in that flyer where it says "Industrial Property - Off-Market"

EDIT 3: There's also a link to click for some kind of history on the property, which without paying to see the full details, shows several activities for the property in October, coinciding with the dates BFL said. So I don't see the problem, they had the big stuff delivered to the new place before they moved their office stuff over there.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Your post has merit.

I do want to state that I didn't purposely omit the Off-market aspect if it was on the page I viewed showing the 11/14 date. I did see such a notice on another site, thus verifying that somebody has leased it, safely assuming now it was by BFL.

I have implied that this is the third iteration of a warehouse/assembly location, with Christ Vleisides photo studio being the first (though not confirmed) and the second being the place having all the parts in storage readied for assembly, coupled with the eBay oven aspect.

Perhaps this is the only other warehouse, and the 11/14 still available date tossed me (now us) a loop.

Switching gears here, that 10770 El Monte building is neat with all the green tech built in and all. Plus the location near the interstate is a plus. It would be awesome if somehow a large Bitcoin logo/flag can be put up for all the passerbys to see.

Peace, bro.

~Bruno K~

[PuertoLibre]

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

As far as has been discussed, and as far as I know, the first run of ASICs out of BFL will not involve use of the oven or pick and place machine.  If this is the case, all that'll be needed in the next month or so for product assembly is a pretty simple final-assembly area.

Ah,
At what point does integration of the PCB's happen in-house?

BFL's talked about the various machines not being used nor ready for Batch 1.
Then Jody says there won't be any Batches. A.K.A "Built on demand."
So at which point do they start doing most of the work they are currently outsourcing?

[PuertoLibre]

I also want to add a notation.

Keep in mind that a BFL rep recently stated that they don't want their competition to know how large their operation is.

Question: Did the VC (Venture Capital) come from a source that expects to be paid in Hardware OR Hardware + Cash?

The reason I ask is, currently most are assuming that the BFL VC (who currently remain anonymous) will be paid back in $$$. What if that isn't the case?

What if they have "other orders" they need to fulfill that does not come from the orders placed on these forum communities? Again, this is hinted/implied in emails as well as public statements.

I think the actual number of units may be much more than what is currently estimated. BFL may have a private obligation to build hardware for an anonymous company. So the hashrate estimates different folks are using may be off by quite a margin.

There may be public orders AND sizable private orders. If there are (or were) 1000 BFL customers, there is no way to tell how many private (off the books?) customers there are.

They might not even use the website to checkout their orders.

[PuertoLibre]

Assuming the anonymous VC or any private orders exist...
We also do not know if they paid the website rate either.

Perhaps it is time to approach them by email and ask what is the rate for larger orders?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I also want to add a notation.

Keep in mind that a BFL rep recently stated that they don't want their competition to know how large their operation is.

Question: Did the VC (Venture Capital) come from a source that expects to be paid in Hardware OR Hardware + Cash?

The reason I ask is, currently most are assuming that the BFL VC (who currently remain anonymous) will be paid back in $$$. What if that isn't the case?

What if they have "other orders" they need to fulfill that does not come from the orders placed on these forum communities? Again, this is hinted/implied in emails as well as public statements.

I think the actual number of units may be much more than what is currently estimated. BFL may have a private obligation to build hardware for an anonymous company. So the hashrate estimates different folks are using may be off by quite a margin.

There may be public orders AND sizable private orders. If there are (or were) 1000 BFL customers, there is no way to tell how many private (off the books?) customers there are.

They might not even use the website to checkout their orders.

Assuming what you state is true, done correctly there would be no way to know for sure how many of the ASIC mining rigs hashing coins is done by those who purchased units or by those paid in kind if the x + y is strictly followed (x = actual buyers). But as soon as the equation becomes x + yz, the cat is out of the bag.

[abracadabra]

Compare https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

With http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf

And http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/CraigslistFlyer.aspx?lid=17860225

And see if you see what I see.

i see matching addresses, minus the city name (leawood and overland park border each other there, so that doesn't shock me much.) what else did i miss?

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

My smallest warehouse is 1200SF. It's nothing. BTW, the "No" in the image above reflects if the space is equipped with sprinklers.

Is the sprinkler system the focus of your attention? If so, why? What is the importance? (Of there not being one?)

May make it hard to insure     OR............arson to come soon for insureance money