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[Askit2]

Seems to be working on previous shares. Mine shows 1.3Ghash and should be around 860Mhash but DB rollback earlier is trying to catch up. Your account should show shares incrimenting I would hope.

[nedbert9]

Just double checked my manually initiated Dwolla payouts.

I'm missing (no Dwolla payment notification) for three EMC withdrawals between 7/18 - 7/19.  My BTC balance was debited accordingly.

[dave3]

So again, I would kindly request that anyone who has received extra funds erroneously return them to: 1hK7oeDzHTYwSG2BXhfzaucJXenHfTTkL

Obviously, I can't force anyone to do that.  I will be looking through the accounts and seeing who got paid what that they shouldn't have and see if there's anything to be done about it... but I suspect a lot of the people who got illicit funds were on auto-pay, so when their balance suddenly went way positive, it just initiated auto-payouts and they didn't do anything explicitly on purpose.  I know some people have, though... I see a lot of manual payouts happening in the timeframe that the bug was happening.  So we'll see how many honest folks we have here!

For what it's worth, when I logged in and saw the glitch, the erroneous coins seemed to be unconfirmed, so the only way (at least in this case) to get them would be to do a manual Cash Out.

I had Auto Payout set to 5 BTC, and had .752 Confirmed, 58.030 Unconfirmed, and a Cashout Amount of 53.571.  I didn't receive anything via the Auto Payout (and I didn't do a manual Cash Out or any manual transactions).

If the bug affected other accounts the same way, it would look like the only way to get the coins would have been through a manual Cash Out.

[GernMiester]

2012-07-21 10:07:34 15,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,HE4kXT 0.56672412 Manual
never arrived in my wallet and there are name coins that have been unconfimed for weeks?
what the heck is going on?

[cyberlync]

So again, I would kindly request that anyone who has received extra funds erroneously return them to: 1hK7oeDzHTYwSG2BXhfzaucJXenHfTTkL

Obviously, I can't force anyone to do that.  I will be looking through the accounts and seeing who got paid what that they shouldn't have and see if there's anything to be done about it... but I suspect a lot of the people who got illicit funds were on auto-pay, so when their balance suddenly went way positive, it just initiated auto-payouts and they didn't do anything explicitly on purpose.  I know some people have, though... I see a lot of manual payouts happening in the timeframe that the bug was happening.  So we'll see how many honest folks we have here!

For what it's worth, when I logged in and saw the glitch, the erroneous coins seemed to be unconfirmed, so the only way (at least in this case) to get them would be to do a manual Cash Out.

I had Auto Payout set to 5 BTC, and had .752 Confirmed, 58.030 Unconfirmed, and a Cashout Amount of 53.571.  I didn't receive anything via the Auto Payout (and I didn't do a manual Cash Out or any manual transactions).

If the bug affected other accounts the same way, it would look like the only way to get the coins would have been through a manual Cash Out.

Same thing with me (different numbers ofc).

[n4l3hp]

So again, I would kindly request that anyone who has received extra funds erroneously return them to: 1hK7oeDzHTYwSG2BXhfzaucJXenHfTTkL

Obviously, I can't force anyone to do that.  I will be looking through the accounts and seeing who got paid what that they shouldn't have and see if there's anything to be done about it... but I suspect a lot of the people who got illicit funds were on auto-pay, so when their balance suddenly went way positive, it just initiated auto-payouts and they didn't do anything explicitly on purpose.  I know some people have, though... I see a lot of manual payouts happening in the timeframe that the bug was happening.  So we'll see how many honest folks we have here!

For what it's worth, when I logged in and saw the glitch, the erroneous coins seemed to be unconfirmed, so the only way (at least in this case) to get them would be to do a manual Cash Out.

I had Auto Payout set to 5 BTC, and had .752 Confirmed, 58.030 Unconfirmed, and a Cashout Amount of 53.571.  I didn't receive anything via the Auto Payout (and I didn't do a manual Cash Out or any manual transactions).

If the bug affected other accounts the same way, it would look like the only way to get the coins would have been through a manual Cash Out.

+1

If it was auto-payout, only the legit amount will be sent out. During the bug, the erroneous amount only appeared on the unconfirmed and cashout balance.

[Inaba]

Yeah, it looks like the people who got the illicit funds did it through cashout almost exclusively.  I'm back in town now and can do a proper analysis of what's happened, which I will be doing tomorrow.  I will also be putting in even more code than I already did this morning to prevent this sort of thing in the future. 

I've received ~200 BTC of the ~1200 BTC back, so I appreciate the honesty some people have shown so far.  I will be contacting the other individuals via email privately to see if they are willing to send the funds back, hopefully some of them just don't read the forums. 

As far as the unconfirmed NMC goes, it's a known bug that I haven't had time to fix.  You can ignore it for the moment, I will get to it as soon as I can. 

Dwolla payments are delayed until I can get some more funds into the Dwolla account.. it takes so long to fund the account, I need to find a better way.  As soon as the account has a positive balance again, all the stalled Dwolla payments will process.  I will be investigating other ways to streamline this in the future, but the 4+ business day delay between depositing funds and getting access to them is a major pain.

Share processing has finished (it did several hours ago) and stats should be mostly correct now for real time display. 

[n4l3hp]

Probably better to remove the Cashout feature to avoid this happening again. It has happened twice now that stats displayed erroneous unconfirmed and cashout balance (first time was when we hit 1TH).

[cmdr001]

So concerning the unpaid payouts that took place once the wallet was depleted, how will that take place? Sent at a later time once more funds become available?
And any current mining will be paid once payout amounts are met?

[Askit2]

Just thinking outloud.
I have never used the cashout feature I don't think. But it sounds like the problem isn't with being able to cashout early. The problem sounds like there should be a sane limit on bitcoins that can be cashed out unconfirmed per day or something like that. Sure people could potentially cheat, but if you used a % of bitcoins confirmed as a measure or a small enough number it would mitigate the risk.
Second
I feel bad for Inaba. It sounds like right now he is out about 9K. I would hate to be him and be asked a question about payments right now. No answer would be great for all parties. Some will not mind delays while things get better, some may mind. Some people have been paid in advance for a ton of work they may never do. I hope he gets all the bitcoins back. It sounds like for now he has paid quite a price for a small error. I know this is rambling on but I guess my point was no matter the answer some people may over react to it. This pool is awesome and I am glad to mine for it, on it and with it!

[DobZombie]

I've tried to cash out manually, after calling Darkice, so he could warn Inaba, just to keep the money safe and return back...but I was late, it was already empty  . I could've saved around 30btc.

I decided to hit CASH OUT on BTC55 thinking to do what you did.  didn't come thru though.  Wish it had, cuz I'm an honest SOB

[cyberlync]

Here's an idea, what about, if possible, freeze the currently earned btc by people who have cashed out and not paid back.

[Inaba]

All payouts *should* be current.  If you are missing a payout you think you should have received, can you please let me know in a PM or email (admin@eclipsemc.com) when and for how much?

I've sent an email to all the people who used the cashout feature to receive an overpayment that have email addresses.  These are the people I'm not able to contact due to no email and how much they were overpaid:

anonymousguymandude 25.19686011 BTC
bobo 38.49488714 BTC
devnull 16.71986074 BTC
escobar 11.51102329 BTC
floeti 4.79997169 BTC
kimitobo 138.10382552 BTC
scsynthesis 18.74108405 BTC

[Inaba]

Wow, so I just got this from Vitaliy Maxorin:

Good day!
I myself am a programmer and I know for myself that for financial losses incurred due to errors in the source code the programmers are paid out of his pocket. I myself have several times carried a financial loss because of their mistakes. But no I will not reimburse my losses. I understand your request as a man, but I think it is not appropriate as a colleague. Excuse me, but I do not return the money you lost.

His email is MVitaliyB@mail.ru, he was over paid 47.30350378 BTC.  Too bad there are so many thieves in the world... sad.  WTG breaking that Russian stereotype to boot! 

[rudrigorc2]

Wow, so I just got this from Vitaliy Maxorin:

Good day!
I myself am a programmer and I know for myself that for financial losses incurred due to errors in the source code the programmers are paid out of his pocket. I myself have several times carried a financial loss because of their mistakes. But no I will not reimburse my losses. I understand your request as a man, but I think it is not appropriate as a colleague. Excuse me, but I do not return the money you lost.

His email is MVitaliyB@mail.ru, he was over paid 47.30350378 BTC.  Too bad there are so many thieves in the world... sad.  WTG breaking that Russian stereotype to boot!  

the saddest is that he looks proud of not returning a MANUAL cashout aka explicit robbery!  turning himself shitlisted for 500bucks? for any ammount? damn...

[mufa23]

http://myworld.ebay.com/mvitaliyb-ru
http://beta-kenterfie.hlsw.org/profile/838844/MVitaliyB
http://board.megashara.com/index.php?members/mvitaliyb.19832/

From Russia.
Born November 18th, 1984 (age 27).
Still plays CoD2.

Would it be bad of me to sign his email up on as many gay porn, boy lover, spam websites as possible?

[Clipse]

Wow, so I just got this from Vitaliy Maxorin:

Good day!
I myself am a programmer and I know for myself that for financial losses incurred due to errors in the source code the programmers are paid out of his pocket. I myself have several times carried a financial loss because of their mistakes. But no I will not reimburse my losses. I understand your request as a man, but I think it is not appropriate as a colleague. Excuse me, but I do not return the money you lost.

His email is MVitaliyB@mail.ru, he was over paid 47.30350378 BTC.  Too bad there are so many thieves in the world... sad.  WTG breaking that Russian stereotype to boot!  

Seems this person took a page out of the bulanula playbook and thinks rationalising keeping the funds due to someone elses indirect mistake is justifiable.

Since bitcoins isnt directly refundable without the receiver having some grain of decency it doesnt mean people should ignore decency/good faith just because of this feature of bitcoin, absolutely disgusting.

[BlackPrapor]

Wow, so I just got this from Vitaliy Maxorin:

Good day!
I myself am a programmer and I know for myself that for financial losses incurred due to errors in the source code the programmers are paid out of his pocket. I myself have several times carried a financial loss because of their mistakes. But no I will not reimburse my losses. I understand your request as a man, but I think it is not appropriate as a colleague. Excuse me, but I do not return the money you lost.

His email is MVitaliyB@mail.ru, he was over paid 47.30350378 BTC.  Too bad there are so many thieves in the world... sad.  WTG breaking that Russian stereotype to boot! 

Lame excuse for robbing a person, who helps you earn your btc. This just proves his stupidity, as everyone knows him now, and in long run he will loose much more.

[eleuthria]

Sorry to read about this Inaba.  Unfortunately, past experience on my end shows that you probably will end up with (at most) half the coins returned.  About a year ago when BTC Guild was proportional, I had a script record rewards for the same block many times.  The solution was requesting people pay back the extra, or mine it back (their accounts were updated to show negative rewards for the overpayments).  Over half the users affected either left the pool, or created a new account so they wouldn't have to pay it back.  Luckily the users that had the largest negative balance were honest and simply sent back the overpayment.

Hopefully "Mr Maxorian" will be the only large overpayment that acts proud about stealing from a pool.

[BR0KK]

Maybe we should give inaba some coins to cover his losses so that he doesn't run into any financial problems running his pool.

I might chip in a weeks worth of mining about 8 BTC atm. (that doesn't seem a lot but maybe it'll help if we find more people willing to do that)?

I was not overpaid as far as i know but i would invest it into having a stable pool.