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Author Topic: Claymore's ZCash/BTG AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux)  (Read 3839038 times)
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December 11, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
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Then why the 2% offer?

Well... maybe Claymore is SO concerned with user's security that he offered them discounted fee? Win-win for both Claymore and miners!

On the other hand if Claymore is so concerned with miner's security he can release his software open source and people would still pay fees regardless especially considering:

I expect to lose some money. It's not a problem for me


I have been selling various software for 15 years in different ways so I have some experience. Unfortunately, open source does not work.

Hey Claymore ,
What would be a good place to learn how to code in general and how to code for miners in specific? Can you please guide. May be jsut 1 or 2 things that I need to get started.
Thank you

Go to msdn.microsoft.com and download the free version of visual studio. After go to YouTube and watch videos on c# c++ and open CL. In a few years you can write a miner
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December 11, 2016, 03:30:31 PM
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Then why the 2% offer?

Well... maybe Claymore is SO concerned with user's security that he offered them discounted fee? Win-win for both Claymore and miners!

On the other hand if Claymore is so concerned with miner's security he can release his software open source and people would still pay fees regardless especially considering:

I expect to lose some money. It's not a problem for me


Why dont you do something useful for the whole forum and stick your tinfoil hat into a light socket, your not helping to improve mining in any way shape or form
 your just inventing bullshit for all we know the Zcash coin could crash and never be seen again. Im interested in how to mine efficiently.
  I dont care how much claymore is earning it must be enough as hes doing upgrades. I aslo dont care if hes left or right handed and all the other crap that
people come out with.
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December 11, 2016, 03:33:18 PM
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I have been selling various software for 15 years in different ways so I have some experience. Unfortunately, open source does not work.

So SSL introduction was not about security of the miners?

 LOL!  You're kidding, right?

Nope. I have always believed in Claymore and genuinely thinks he is about our security and as we all know the most secure software is open source.
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December 11, 2016, 03:36:32 PM
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Why dont you do something useful for the whole forum and stick your tinfoil hat into a light socket
I can only stick a shovel up your ass
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December 11, 2016, 03:44:43 PM
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Then why the 2% offer?

Well... maybe Claymore is SO concerned with user's security that he offered them discounted fee? Win-win for both Claymore and miners!

On the other hand if Claymore is so concerned with miner's security he can release his software open source and people would still pay fees regardless especially considering:

I expect to lose some money. It's not a problem for me


I have been selling various software for 15 years in different ways so I have some experience. Unfortunately, open source does not work.

No kidding. Been there done that. You publish your software and one way or another is going to be used elsewhere for a profit
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December 11, 2016, 03:45:23 PM
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SSL was implemented long time ago for mining already but was removed again due to the increased network lag.

Lags can only create a pool if it spends a lot of time to encrypt/decrypt data, am I correct?
SSL connection is based on same sockets and it takes almost zero time on client side to encrypt/decrypt 1Kb of data.
I'm curious about server load, is it too expensive to use encrypted connections for you?


For me?  No, not at all but as said before, I've never heard of redirected or attacks (mitm)  for miners traffic Smiley  it's no problem for me that you're using ssl for securing your miner against no fee wrappers etc but IMHO you should just say so -  I believe most people won't have an issue with it Smiley

Man in the middle doesn't care about encryption lol. Very easy to implement. No need to write network drivers. For the miner the mitm is the pool that can decrypt the packet and forward it to the actual pool.

SNI is helpful

OregonMines is expanding. Are you expanding with us?
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December 11, 2016, 03:46:27 PM
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I have been selling various software for 15 years in different ways so I have some experience. Unfortunately, open source does not work.

So SSL introduction was not about security of the miners?

Absolutely no.

1. SSL encryption increases data size and thus latency. Even if you have ultra fast CPU, it still increases it. So no win here.
2. SSL prevents packet editing. This is not a concern for miners, but it protects dev fee packets.
3. SSL is not enforced literally, but having 2% fee vs 2.5% enforces it anyway. Not miner dev requests it from pools, but people. Smart trick.
4. SSL does not allow you to check what is sent on wire as was said already. You can trust Claymore, but other may (will) follow the example.
5. If Claymore thought about miners' protection he would better add a simple password protection for management port. Seems few people had issues when found their rigs mining for someone else. Easy to set it to read-only, but adding a password is also easy comparing to extra work to add an SSL layer and actually introduce it for open protocol using trick with the fee.

Let me guess next possible steps (I do not insist they are planned, just are possible):
1) Remove plain stratum and keep SSL only (less probable).
2) Reduce mining speed for plain protocol (no fee mode) and still provide full rate for SSL channel (and ALL will demand it from pools). Why not, it's exactly the same as 2% vs 2.5% trick, only better.
3) In addition to channel protection (to keep transit data safe) add also pool certificate check. This means that only few pools with known certificates will be usable with particular miner. If pool changes it (in rare case) - new version of miner is created. This way no one will be able to remove the fee outside of the miner (even using SSL proxy). This is for those who wrote above it's impossible. It's quite easy, actually, and I wonder if it already is in place.
4) Step 3 means people will hack the code to remove certificate check or rather to remove the fee at all. No matter how good a protection is, it may be broken. I've heard about hacked miners on Chinese forums, this time they will be much more distributed.
5) Step 4 means more viruses in hacked binaries. Of course, we use only original binaries, but it is possible. I've heard someone had BTC stolen after downloading some Windows Zcash wallet after Zcash launch.

So to make things clear: SSL DOES NOT help miners or their security in ANY way, but MAY reduce profits due to increased packet sizes, thus, more stale shares. SSL DOES protect developer fee only, but introduces extra closed layer in open protocols that is a very bad idea. And finally, using tricks like different fee, it uses people (like sheeps, do you like it or not) to put pressure on pool operators to add encryption (for less fee or soon for full rate?) that is useless for mining as such.
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December 11, 2016, 03:57:13 PM
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Claymore, with what software you worked before appeared mining software?

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December 11, 2016, 03:58:08 PM
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Hi all! So why do we need to use encryption ? Ane benefit from it ?

For past years miners never had a need for encryption and now SUDDENLY we need it.
It is of course pure coincidence this need happened after someone published a way to disable devfee. Right, Claymore?

It's not the reason that someone published a way to disable devfee, all these tricks were known before that. May be it's the reason for 10% devfee miner, but not for my 2% miner.
Yes SSL is definitely good for devfee protection, but you can bypass it anyway if it's so important for you and in fact after reducing devfee by 20% I expect to lose some money. It's not a problem for me, I like encryption as a feature anyway. I never said that you need SSL, you can use plain connection if you like it.
And I will not remove plain connection to force everyone to use SSL as some people think.



So its useless for end user. Why should i  protect dev fee ?
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December 11, 2016, 04:03:19 PM
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what is speeds rx 480 4GB vs 8GB?
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December 11, 2016, 04:17:48 PM
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I have to chime in here after reading through the BS (and some not BS).

The dev, developed a miner for most of us that can NOT have the ability, skills or time to make it. They spent time doing this. I am sure this did not take 5 minutes . They keep releasing new versions with better hashing rates since the start.

He/she/it DESERVES to get paid for their time and effort. Simple as that.

If people complain and don't want to pay a paltry 2.5% or now 2% in my book they are dbags who are ruining pretty much everything in this world, expecting everything for nothing. Be it a crypto miner, pirated movies, games or cheap chinese knock off copies of everything. Freeloaders.

Without this miner we would NOT be making any money, or we'd be using less stable/less earning miners from others.


If you don't like the fees, write your own use a free crappy one and GTFO.

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December 11, 2016, 04:20:27 PM
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why the pissing contest about value of SSL with mining?

let the users try it and compare their profits.

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December 11, 2016, 04:24:25 PM
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what is speeds rx 480 4GB vs 8GB?

I tested the XFX Rx480 4 and 8GB versions and there was a miniscule difference at stock speeds.
215-218sol/s (4GB) vs 207-222sol/s (8GB).

There was a higher variance though. Using Claymore v9.0

IMO The rx470 with a custom BIOS pulls almost the same (I get 212sol/s) but at a bit less power and much less initial price and is a better buy.


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December 11, 2016, 04:30:29 PM
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what is speeds rx 480 4GB vs 8GB?

I tested the XFX Rx480 4 and 8GB versions and there was a miniscule difference at stock speeds.
215-218sol/s (4GB) vs 207-222sol/s (8GB).

There was a higher variance though. Using Claymore v9.0

IMO The rx470 with a custom BIOS pulls almost the same (I get 212sol/s) but at a bit less power and much less initial price and is a better buy.



i heard the 8 gig cards usually have a better quality of ram when it comes to overclocking.

no testing on my part, grabbed all reference 8 gig and have not looked back.

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December 11, 2016, 04:32:31 PM
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If you don't like the fees, write your own use a free crappy one and GTFO.
Yeah, first learn how hashing works, understand the different algorithms, learn to program and then how gpu's work. In a few years you might be able to start to program a miner Wink
Claymore's work and experience is worth every cent!!!
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December 11, 2016, 04:35:53 PM
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If you don't like the fees, write your own use a free crappy one and GTFO.
Yeah, first learn how hashing works, understand the different algorithms, learn to program and then how gpu's work. In a few years you might be able to start to program a miner Wink
Claymores work and experience is worth every cent!!!

Exactly my point. A person doing something you or i can not, deserves to be paid for their time and expertise. Same as with any other service or business.

I'm so tired of freeloaders expecting to get everything they whine for.

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December 11, 2016, 04:44:52 PM
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What about make V10 claymore miner that only work on Claymore Pool and/or few trusted pool. Make the pool charge 3% and claymore get 2% of it. Walla!!!

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December 11, 2016, 04:50:00 PM
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What about make V10 claymore miner that only work on Claymore Pool and/or few trusted pool. Make the pool charge 3% and claymore get 2% of it. Walla!!!
Then you will have a distribution of the network problem.

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December 11, 2016, 04:56:52 PM
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What about make V10 claymore miner that only work on Claymore Pool and/or few trusted pool. Make the pool charge 3% and claymore get 2% of it. Walla!!!
Then you will have a distribution of the network problem.
Who cares of this... 2.5% (or 2% - does not matter) - that is the real goal.

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December 11, 2016, 05:01:03 PM
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What about make V10 claymore miner that only work on Claymore Pool and/or few trusted pool. Make the pool charge 3% and claymore get 2% of it. Walla!!!


Use dwarfpool they are not take more then 1% from you flypool can go to hell they take like 20%
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