Claymore's ZCash/BTG AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux)

[delle54]

What about make V10 claymore miner that only work on Claymore Pool...

Claymore does not have an own pool. He is a software developer.

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[osnwt]

I'm so tired of freeloaders expecting to get everything they whine for.

There are two points of view.

First is about dev fee as such and its protection. I do not argue about it, I agree that every work should be paid somehow.

Second is what good was added for mining and crypto world by introducing SSL layer on top of plain stratum. There is nothing good:
- more CPU overhead (without reason) - no direct impact;
- more latency for bigger packets (without reason) - there is an impact on stale shares, people already complained here, read the thread;
- more work for pool operators (not a lot, but also with no reason);
- more obscurity and doubt in general.

So this only adds DRM, and nothing more for miners. Actually I expected something like this after some lamer posted how to break dev fee with Optiminer. But I expected to see a private channel to some dev server (proxy) to collect dev fee. It would be harder for developer, but much better for community. But the way it is done now, sigh... Next step would be to close the source of cryptocurrency... Why not? Bitcoin was open and is open, and it has a value. Coins with something to hide (being that miners or core) are way to nothing.

[Tmdz]

what is speeds rx 480 4GB vs 8GB?

I tested the XFX Rx480 4 and 8GB versions and there was a minuscule difference at stock speeds.
215-218sol/s (4GB) vs 207-222sol/s (8GB).

There was a higher variance though. Using Claymore v9.0

IMO The rx470 with a custom BIOS pulls almost the same (I get 212sol/s) but at a bit less power and much less initial price and is a better buy.

My stock 470s get 205 sol/s so its almost the same as the 480.

newegg has the sapphire 470 and 480 at almost the exact same price, $190 and $195 and with rebate they cost the same at $180 for 4gb until the 15th.  Msi cards are even cheaper, but I prefer sapphire.

[smaxz]

I'm so tired of freeloaders expecting to get everything they whine for.

There are two points of view.

First is about dev fee as such and its protection. I do not argue about it, I agree that every work should be paid somehow.

Second is what good was added for mining and crypto world by introducing SSL layer on top of plain stratum. There is nothing good:
- more CPU overhead (without reason) - no direct impact;
- more latency for bigger packets (without reason) - there is an impact on stale shares, people already complained here, read the thread;
- more work for pool operators (not a lot, but also with no reason);
- more obscurity and doubt in general.

So this only adds DRM, and nothing more for miners. Actually I expected something like this after some lamer posted how to break dev fee with Optiminer. But I expected to see a private channel to some dev server (proxy) to collect dev fee. It would be harder for developer, but much better for community. But the way it is done now, sigh... Next step would be to close the source of cryptocurrency... Why not? Bitcoin was open and is open, and it has a value. Coins with something to hide (being that miners or core) are way to nothing.

are you seriously bringing back "lamer"?

i like it.

as for the outcry about ssl, i think claymore is acting to protect his clientele which he is obligated to do considering the profits earned in such a small community.

looks like the days of leeching are numbered.

[xeridea]

SSL was implemented long time ago for mining already but was removed again due to the increased network lag.

Lags can only create a pool if it spends a lot of time to encrypt/decrypt data, am I correct?
SSL connection is based on same sockets and it takes almost zero time on client side to encrypt/decrypt 1Kb of data.
I'm curious about server load, is it too expensive to use encrypted connections for you?

Google is a fan of SSL on every site, if it needs it or not, and they care vary much about speed of the internet.  If there was a speed issue, it may be different.  SSL connection adds a tiny delay to the initial connection, and after that it's negligible.

[Puffy23]

This is the "carrot or stick" approach.

The 0.5% is the carrot for the masses to enter the SSL prison.

When the majority of the miners (sheeps) voluntarily enter the prison, the plain connection will be removed (stick), and escape will be impossible.

Then it will be easy to increase the fees at will.

Same story again.

The logic of this argument is centered around Claymore's supposed dark motive - "Then it will be easy to increase the fees at will".

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use Claymore's miner.  THAT is the incentive to keep dev fees reasonable.  Do you think the dev fee is set as a result of free market capitalist competition between developers, or the fear of a hacker revolt?

Imagine Best Buy (or Currys for my UK friends) installs body scanners to make theft impossible.  Would they then be free to increase prices by 20% because people couldn't steal from them? Only if they have a captive audience.  I think people would simply start shopping at Walmart or Amazon... Just like you can mine with other miners at any point.

Unless all the developers are in on this Illuminati conspiracy...

*Slowly reaches for the tin foil*

[osnwt]

are you seriously bringing back "lamer"?

I am seriously think that even if someone knew how to cut off the dev fee, he should not shout about it on forums. So he's lamer because he did that, and even more - he was trying to sell the software for this.

i like it.

Really? But I don't.

as for the outcry about ssl, i think claymore is acting to protect his clientele which he is obligated to do considering the profits earned in such a small community.

Of course. But how? It goes far out of the topic of this thread, like Open Source vs Closed, Free software vs Paid, and so on. But do you agree with my points that it added nothing to end miners?

It is NOT about increasing the fee later. It is about creating a bad precedent.

looks like the days of leeching are numbered.

Not at all. It is not an issue for real hacker to decrypt the code and "fix" it. It just adds some more trouble to him, and increases his payment for such work from big farms.

[Claymore]

Again: if someone thinks that encrypted connection is a bad idea, do not use it, miner allows you to do it, I doubt you will ever notice 0.5% difference in your income. I'm not going to remove plain connection, restrict pools, increase fees, etc, there is not any conspiracy theory or evil plan. It seems some people have too rich fantasy.
In my opinion, ability to encrypt connection as an option is a good feature (and I'd like to support it a bit by reducing devfee), so I'm not going to remove it right now, though if I see that noone uses it I can remove it in future. Actually, I think about adding this feature to dual miner too, but now I'm not sure because here I've read a lot of ideas about bad sides of encryption, which looks really strange for me. Don't forget you mine cryptocurrencies, they all consist of pure encryption

[rozsada]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

[ffthomas]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

[rozsada]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

It seems that speed is higher on Dwarpool.
Has anybody compared profitability between Dwarfpool and Flypool/Suprnova?

[Puffy23]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

It seems that speed is higher on Dwarpool.
Has anybody compared profitability between Dwarfpool and Flypool/Suprnova?

I've used Dwarfpool and Suprnova.  Dwarfpool had higher variability in profit (expected from a smaller pool), but the fewest rejected/lost shares.  Long term, variability should be a wash.  I'm staying there for now.

Remember: Small pool does not equal lower profit.  It only means increased variability.  If you need to cash out daily to pay bills you may be interested in less variability.  If you're playing the long game the highest acknowledgment of work is the way to go.

[FFI2013]

what is speeds rx 480 4GB vs 8GB?

I tested the XFX Rx480 4 and 8GB versions and there was a miniscule difference at stock speeds.
215-218sol/s (4GB) vs 207-222sol/s (8GB).

There was a higher variance though. Using Claymore v9.0

IMO The rx470 with a custom BIOS pulls almost the same (I get 212sol/s) but at a bit less power and much less initial price and is a better buy.

could you please tell me how much of a difference there is mining eth im about to buy some 480 i have all r9 2xx and would like my electric bill to go down but not sure if i should get the 4gb or 8gb thank you

[LM3]

 @Claymore please, can you reconsider developing a  linux version?

[gaah]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool
Quality you can trust! 0.04738844 ZEC Earning in 18 hours when i use flypool mby 0.03 something on that time and i make 430h/s with claymore's 9.1 so trust me dwarfpool is the best.

[rpg]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

It seems that speed is higher on Dwarpool.
Has anybody compared profitability between Dwarfpool and Flypool/Suprnova?

On flypool is impossible to audit the shares sent so you can only audit the rewards that in my case failed to meet the expected ones. The hash rate they report goes all over with 10% on the high side and 50% on the low side. I would expect it to be the same on both ends with a middle point around the miner reported hash - dev fee.

[rozsada]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

It means that payments will be not so often. Am I right?

[gaah]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

It means that payments will be not so often. Am I right?

Yeah that's right.

[rozsada]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

It seems that speed is higher on Dwarpool.
Has anybody compared profitability between Dwarfpool and Flypool/Suprnova?

On flypool is impossible to audit the shares sent so you can only audit the rewards that in my case failed to meet the expected ones. The hash rate they report goes all over with 10% on the high side and 50% on the low side. I would expect it to be the same on both ends with a middle point around the miner reported hash - dev fee.

I like regular payouts on Flypool but I see the speed on the pool is often lower that my miner shows.
On Dwarfpool the approx. speed is often even higher that my miner shows.
So, Dwarpool!

[melloyellow]

Guys, which pool is better for mining ZEC? (I'm in east EU)
I'm thinking between Dwarfpool and Flypool. Probably some other (Nanopool, Suprnova or else)
Tell me, pls.

Dwarfpool is too small - yet. So I suggest you to use Flypool or Suprnova.

It seems that speed is higher on Dwarpool.
Has anybody compared profitability between Dwarfpool and Flypool/Suprnova?

On flypool is impossible to audit the shares sent so you can only audit the rewards that in my case failed to meet the expected ones. The hash rate they report goes all over with 10% on the high side and 50% on the low side. I would expect it to be the same on both ends with a middle point around the miner reported hash - dev fee.

I like regular payouts on Flypool but I see the speed on the pool is often lower that my miner shows.
On Dwarfpool the approx. speed is often even higher that my miner shows.
So, Dwarpool!

The speed reported by the pool doesn't mean anything.  Mine on a pool and record your daily earnings.  Plug numbers into a calculator until your daily earnings are roughly equal.  That's more likely to be your true hashing speed.  I guarantee it won't be higher than what your miner reports.