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So a commercial bitcoin farm will like a mutual fund comprised of any number of assets. The addition or removal of miners from the farm will be like the mutual fund dropping or adding assets. In the case of mutual funds if the fund has to pay kickbacks to a major brokerage house (Edward Jones) in order to be listed among the offerings shown/sold to "Preferred" clients and in retribution the fund (The Hartford Fund) removes valuable assets from the fund, the Security Exchange Commission has demonstrated its ability to step in and require a compensation be paid to the ripped off Preferred clients holding the fund. Bitcoin has no SEC.
There's no need to do three posts in a row consecutively and rapidly IMHO. Have you never seen the edit button  Also, most of this would be better suited to other areas of the forum - Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Politics & Society + Off-topic. What the &*^$ has chat about mutual funds or the SEC got to do with knc hardware? |
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ASIC-K
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January 19, 2014, 06:54:30 PM |
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soy, edit button is your friend.
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January 19, 2014, 06:57:04 PM |
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Datacenters will not accommodate any device with an external PSU
external PSUs are on many SANs and some other things... you won't see a computer PSU but there are many rank mounted power units Good point, I'd be perfectly happy if they made their devices compatible with rack-mounted PSUs. They'd probably have to give up the PCI-E connectors though. |
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January 19, 2014, 07:19:34 PM |
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Datacenters will not accommodate any device with an external PSU
external PSUs are on many SANs and some other things... you won't see a computer PSU but there are many rank mounted power units Good point, I'd be perfectly happy if they made their devices compatible with rack-mounted PSUs. They'd probably have to give up the PCI-E connectors though. yes, or at least provide an internal distributed harness that you just plug in. And those rack mounted PSUs could power multiple neptunes |
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January 20, 2014, 01:07:11 AM |
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The answer is really easy. They just need to keep selling Jupiters every month until they are done with the Neptune and then switch over. 3000 units a month would keep us in competition with CEX.io and any behind the scenes mining ops. Not selling Jupiters is surrendering the future of mining to non-KNC customers. It doesn't make sense. If they want to take their time with the Neptune, they need to give us some hashing power in the meantime.
If they did that the difficulty would just go up even faster and it would mean even less money for miners. Why would you want KnC to flood the network with hashrate? If you want more hashpower now, there are a number of places where you can order it and have it delivered immediately, with no waiting and very little risk. *ahem* |
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January 20, 2014, 01:52:13 AM |
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The answer is really easy. They just need to keep selling Jupiters every month until they are done with the Neptune and then switch over. 3000 units a month would keep us in competition with CEX.io and any behind the scenes mining ops. Not selling Jupiters is surrendering the future of mining to non-KNC customers. It doesn't make sense. If they want to take their time with the Neptune, they need to give us some hashing power in the meantime.
If they did that the difficulty would just go up even faster and it would mean even less money for miners. Why would you want KnC to flood the network with hashrate? If you want more hashpower now, there are a number of places where you can order it and have it delivered immediately, with no waiting and very little risk. *ahem* There are no miners for sale right now that will ROI and I don't mean break even. I mean make a profit that is worth my investment. |
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January 20, 2014, 02:47:48 AM |
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There are no miners for sale right now that will ROI and I don't mean break even. I mean make a profit that is worth my investment.
All depends on how you speculate on the price of BTC, and if you can manage to find decent deals but they sure are there.. |
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January 20, 2014, 03:41:53 AM |
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There are no miners for sale right now that will ROI and I don't mean break even. I mean make a profit that is worth my investment.
All depends on how you speculate on the price of BTC, and if you can manage to find decent deals but they sure are there.. Queue argument about ROI in BTC terms against fiat and righteous indignation regarding the speculation of BTC price not affecting mining calcs... aaaaaand GO! |
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January 20, 2014, 04:08:56 AM |
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Well I don't know if this will make profit or not, but I am hoping so since KnC most likely won't be shipping anymore Jupiters, I've decided to invest elsewhere, as I've gotten tired of waiting on them to make a simple
decision; I've ordered 6 Bitmain AntMiner S1's today for a total of 1080Gh/s base (1200gh/s OC) for a total of 11.4BTCs. Hopefully I can mine with them for a month, and sell them on ebay for close to what I paid for
them (at least $1500 each). I'm hoping that should make a little bit of money.
Hopefully they at least sell some upgrade modules that work with Oct orders. I still have 3 slots left in my Saturn :-)
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January 20, 2014, 04:35:58 AM |
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Well I don't know if this will make profit or not
We are now at the part of this gen's mining phase where finding really cheap electric will make a difference on miners received today. There will be a rash of stories in 2014 of people stashing miners at their work/college or other ways to get someone else to pay the costs since it will become a bigger % of the potential profits Creative tax write-offs will also apply going forward as well |
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January 20, 2014, 04:37:19 AM |
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What's going to happen this summer? KnC has the best machines so far in my opinion and hopefully the Neptune will will live up to same standard of reliability and profitability. We look at how long it will take a machine to return the btc it costs.
We know the unknown dark competition putting hashing power on the net probably uses relatively inefficient ASICs. A problem is that we don't know what they are paying for their miners. If they have their own ASICs and their own design boards and are fielding their own machines in their farms, they get them cheap and their lesser efficiency isn't as big an issue. If they are getting them cheap then this summer the total of what they can field might be a real problem.
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ASIC-K
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January 20, 2014, 04:39:35 AM |
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yup, just bought an antminer.
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January 20, 2014, 04:52:05 AM |
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Well I don't know if this will make profit or not, but I am hoping so since KnC most likely won't be shipping anymore Jupiters, I've decided to invest elsewhere, as I've gotten tired of waiting on them to make a simple
decision; I've ordered 6 Bitmain AntMiner S1's today for a total of 1080Gh/s base (1200gh/s OC) for a total of 11.4BTCs. Hopefully I can mine with them for a month, and sell them on ebay for close to what I paid for
them (at least $1500 each). I'm hoping that should make a little bit of money.
Hopefully they at least sell some upgrade modules that work with Oct orders. I still have 3 slots left in my Saturn :-)
fyi just so you know, selling on ebay is very dangerous same as russian roulette. Don't be fooled by all those sold auctions at high prices, i would say only <50% of those sold are actually successful. If you are lucky you get a nonpayment, if you are not, you get a scammer, ebay/paypal always side with the buyer. I have had this happen to me twice already 1 for an asic miner card back when it was going for $4000, and another for an avalon. I have been selling on ebay for over 15 years and know every trick in the book, but there is nothing you can do if you want to sell, just rolling the dice. Both scammers had high feedback rating and looked very legit, they just break something on the miner after a month like bending some metal or cooling fan wires, take a photo and file for claim or direct chargeback within 45 days. They then change their ebay id after a month or so, and since ebay doesn't allow you to search their id history (without knowing their new id) nor leave anything but positive feedbacks as seller, they cannot be blacklisted, and move on to the next victim with their perfect feedback. There is nothing you can do but take the loss, that's why i have stopped selling on ebay altogether. So make sure you factor that into your calculation the expectation of losing at least 1 miner out of that 6. In addition to the risk of paypal limiting your account that will take months to get your money out (if it is under your name, if it's a stealth account kiss your money good bye), nothing gets your paypal account limited faster than selling multiple bitcoin hardware / casascius coins that's above $500. Add insult, they take 10% in final value fee for everything you sell. just saying... |
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January 20, 2014, 05:00:19 AM |
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Well I don't know if this will make profit or not, but I am hoping so since KnC most likely won't be shipping anymore Jupiters, I've decided to invest elsewhere, as I've gotten tired of waiting on them to make a simple
decision; I've ordered 6 Bitmain AntMiner S1's today for a total of 1080Gh/s base (1200gh/s OC) for a total of 11.4BTCs. Hopefully I can mine with them for a month, and sell them on ebay for close to what I paid for
them (at least $1500 each). I'm hoping that should make a little bit of money.
Hopefully they at least sell some upgrade modules that work with Oct orders. I still have 3 slots left in my Saturn :-)
fyi just so you know, selling on ebay is very dangerous same as russian roulette. Don't be fooled by all those sold auctions at high prices, i would say only <50% of those sold are actually successful. If you are lucky you get a nonpayment, if you are not, you get a scammer, ebay/paypal always side with the buyer. I have had this happen to me twice already 1 for an asic miner card back when it was going for $4000, and another for an avalon. I have been selling on ebay for over 15 years and know every trick in the book, but there is nothing you can do if you want to sell, just rolling the dice. Both scammers had high feedback rating and looked very legit, they just break something on the miner after a month like bending some metal or cooling fan wires, take a photo and file for claim or direct chargeback within 45 days. They then change their ebay id after a month or so, and since ebay doesn't allow you to search their id history (without knowing their new id) nor leave anything but positive feedbacks as seller, they cannot be blacklisted, and move on to the next victim with their perfect feedback. There is nothing you can do but take the loss, that's why i have stopped selling on ebay altogether. So make sure you factor that into your calculation the expectation of losing at least 1 miner out of that 6. In addition to the risk of paypal limiting your account that will take months to get your money out (if it is under your name, if it's a stealth account kiss your money good bye), nothing gets your paypal account limited faster than selling multiple bitcoin hardware / casascius coins that's above $500. Add insult, they take 10% in final value fee for everything you sell. just saying... Good points. Don't use Paypal: I sold 3 Jupiters on Ebay so far in 2 seperate transactions (2 before Christmas and one 3 days ago and all went smooth). But I always opt for cash on delivery. The 1st guy was from the Czech Republic who drove all the way to London to pick up 2 of them, while bringing £18500 in cash. The 2nd was a local indian guy  And btw Ebay take 10% up to £75, which is reasonable when you make a sale for thousands of pounds. |
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January 20, 2014, 05:17:50 AM |
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Well I don't know if this will make profit or not, but I am hoping so since KnC most likely won't be shipping anymore Jupiters, I've decided to invest elsewhere, as I've gotten tired of waiting on them to make a simple
decision; I've ordered 6 Bitmain AntMiner S1's today for a total of 1080Gh/s base (1200gh/s OC) for a total of 11.4BTCs. Hopefully I can mine with them for a month, and sell them on ebay for close to what I paid for
them (at least $1500 each). I'm hoping that should make a little bit of money.
Hopefully they at least sell some upgrade modules that work with Oct orders. I still have 3 slots left in my Saturn :-)
fyi just so you know, selling on ebay is very dangerous same as russian roulette. Don't be fooled by all those sold auctions at high prices, i would say only <50% of those sold are actually successful. If you are lucky you get a nonpayment, if you are not, you get a scammer, ebay/paypal always side with the buyer. I have had this happen to me twice already 1 for an asic miner card back when it was going for $4000, and another for an avalon. I have been selling on ebay for over 15 years and know every trick in the book, but there is nothing you can do if you want to sell, just rolling the dice. Both scammers had high feedback rating and looked very legit, they just break something on the miner after a month like bending some metal or cooling fan wires, take a photo and file for claim or direct chargeback within 45 days. They then change their ebay id after a month or so, and since ebay doesn't allow you to search their id history (without knowing their new id) nor leave anything but positive feedbacks as seller, they cannot be blacklisted, and move on to the next victim with their perfect feedback. There is nothing you can do but take the loss, that's why i have stopped selling on ebay altogether. So make sure you factor that into your calculation the expectation of losing at least 1 miner out of that 6. In addition to the risk of paypal limiting your account that will take months to get your money out (if it is under your name, if it's a stealth account kiss your money good bye), nothing gets your paypal account limited faster than selling multiple bitcoin hardware / casascius coins that's above $500. Add insult, they take 10% in final value fee for everything you sell. just saying... Thanks for the heads up. Truthfully, I've never sold anything on eBay, only purchased (a lot). I didn't know there were so many issues. Maybe I can sell them at coingig.com instead, since BitMit is no longer around... |
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I don't want to do Ebay unless I'm forced to...
I have 3 Neps out of the CA Batch I'll let go for 14btc each. No escrow, Ill ask KNC to change shipping address, if not, I'll pay for shipping inside usa.. outside usa add .25 btc per machine. Last ones I shipped to EU costed over 500usd to ship fully insured.
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January 20, 2014, 07:13:56 AM |
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I don't want to do Ebay unless I'm forced to...
I have 3 Neps out of the CA Batch I'll let go for 14btc each. No escrow, Ill ask KNC to change shipping address, if not, I'll pay for shipping inside usa.. outside usa add .25 btc per machine. Last ones I shipped to EU costed over 500usd to ship fully insured.
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Dang, if the offer was a day or so ago I wouldn't have bothered with a batch 2. You selling all your neptunes Phoenix? Getting out of mining? |
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January 20, 2014, 07:34:57 AM |
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yup, just bought an antminer.
' hmm..still don't get how an anitminer at 180gh is it at 2.2btc w/o power supply will do ROI..of any real note unless I'm getting my products mixed up enlighten me please this is not a flame.... Searing |
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January 20, 2014, 07:41:23 AM |
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I don't want to do Ebay unless I'm forced to...
I have 3 Neps out of the CA Batch I'll let go for 14btc each. No escrow, Ill ask KNC to change shipping address, if not, I'll pay for shipping inside usa.. outside usa add .25 btc per machine. Last ones I shipped to EU costed over 500usd to ship fully insured.
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Dang, if the offer was a day or so ago I wouldn't have bothered with a batch 2. You selling all your neptunes Phoenix? Getting out of mining? dont pay too much attention to that guy, he's so full of shit he has organic fertilizer conglomerates ringing 24/7 for the real bulk buys. take a month or two to flick thru just half the posts hes made, without him this thread would be about 12 pages of mostly decent input... .....@ Searing, theyre 1.9 now. |
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January 20, 2014, 08:22:18 AM |
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I don't want to do Ebay unless I'm forced to...
I have 3 Neps out of the CA Batch I'll let go for 14btc each. No escrow, Ill ask KNC to change shipping address, if not, I'll pay for shipping inside usa.. outside usa add .25 btc per machine. Last ones I shipped to EU costed over 500usd to ship fully insured.
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Dang, if the offer was a day or so ago I wouldn't have bothered with a batch 2. You selling all your neptunes Phoenix? Getting out of mining? dont pay too much attention to that guy, he's so full of shit he has organic fertilizer conglomerates ringing 24/7 for the real bulk buys. take a month or two to flick thru just half the posts hes made, without him this thread would be about 12 pages of mostly decent input... .....@ Searing, theyre 1.9 now. Actually Edgar ............You are totally wrong . Ive known Phoneix for over 3 years now and 90% of what he's told me or advised me has been true or correct . Most of the guys have appreciated his in put (even when hes been wrong) at least he been trying to help people . Chper and I and 3 others here on the forum have done business with him and we would happily do business with him again ......... You dont like him because he challenged you in things youve said ...........most of your posts prove your a hater and you love to hold a grudge |
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