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January 15, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
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I'm wiring my house with 6 x 30-amp 240v circuits to handle my mining equipment. I'm more worried about cooling to be honest  Wink

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January 15, 2014, 08:20:34 PM
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I'm wiring my house with 6 x 30-amp 240v circuits to handle my mining equipment. I'm more worried about cooling to be honest  Wink

Yes, I think the low end, efficient, window AC by Haier got bumped by $30-$50 after the summer.  Went looking the other day.



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January 15, 2014, 10:39:43 PM
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Jupiters will always sell.  If Neptunes can be shown to be powered reasonably in a US home without rewiring then they'll sell like hotcakes but still there will be miners who would rather go with a device a quarter the cost of a Neptune.

Powering is the issue I'm sure.  Some look to remove a module if possible - that hopefully bringing it within range of a 15 amp circuit.  But if that is necessary then multiple Jupiters, perhaps in different rooms for separate breakers, would sell.

Why? Who would imagine a Jup would break even now? It won't in BTC for certain.
Worse, who will soon have a fairly large number of Jups to sell , either as units or broken into modules? Because they have 1st dibs on their own new rigs.

Why buy a Jup now interests me most, there may be some logic, but it's totally missed me. It's fucking madness unless reliance on the exchange rate in the long term is involved.
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January 15, 2014, 10:47:36 PM
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January 15, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
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Jupiters will always sell.  If Neptunes can be shown to be powered reasonably in a US home without rewiring then they'll sell like hotcakes but still there will be miners who would rather go with a device a quarter the cost of a Neptune.

Powering is the issue I'm sure.  Some look to remove a module if possible - that hopefully bringing it within range of a 15 amp circuit.  But if that is necessary then multiple Jupiters, perhaps in different rooms for separate breakers, would sell.

Why? Who would imagine a Jup would break even now? It won't in BTC for certain.
Worse, who will soon have a fairly large number of Jups to sell , either as units or broken into modules? Because they have 1st dibs on their own new rigs.

Why buy a Jup now interests me most, there may be some logic, but it's totally missed me. It's fucking madness unless reliance on the exchange rate in the long term is involved.


If Knc releases another batch of Jupiters, they will be priced at less than 5k. I bet they would be priced at around 3k, which is about 4 BTC.

A Jupiter purchased now and delivered immediately will almost certainly earn more than 4 BTC in its lifetime.
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January 15, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
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Jupiters will always sell.  If Neptunes can be shown to be powered reasonably in a US home without rewiring then they'll sell like hotcakes but still there will be miners who would rather go with a device a quarter the cost of a Neptune.

Powering is the issue I'm sure.  Some look to remove a module if possible - that hopefully bringing it within range of a 15 amp circuit.  But if that is necessary then multiple Jupiters, perhaps in different rooms for separate breakers, would sell.

Why? Who would imagine a Jup would break even now? It won't in BTC for certain.
Worse, who will soon have a fairly large number of Jups to sell , either as units or broken into modules? Because they have 1st dibs on their own new rigs.

Why buy a Jup now interests me most, there may be some logic, but it's totally missed me. It's fucking madness unless reliance on the exchange rate in the long term is involved.


If Knc releases another batch of Jupiters, they will be priced at less than 5k. I bet they would be priced at around 3k, which is about 4 BTC.

A Jupiter purchased now and delivered immediately will almost certainly earn more than 4 BTC in its lifetime.

Looking at some other miners for sale in group purchases they had been priced for a btc break even at about 90 days, at the current rate and without increase, but has stretched out with recent increases.  Perhaps KnC is also seeing that and factoring that in with regard to possible Jupiter sales weighed against those sales degrading Neptune sales.  Jupiter sales will slow Neptune sales unless some Neptunes are fielded and producing.  Jupiter sales will effect sales of other miners.  Staying in the ball park relative to the competition with future Jupiter sales may be a choice they made.



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January 15, 2014, 11:51:53 PM
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They could undercut Cointerra right now. I'm wagering Jupiters cost KNC $1k. They could sell them for $2k, we'd be happy, they'd make 100% profit, and Cointerra would get butthurt.

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January 16, 2014, 12:05:09 AM
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They could undercut Cointerra right now. I'm wagering Jupiters cost KNC $1k. They could sell them for $2k, we'd be happy, they'd make 100% profit, and Cointerra would get butthurt.
Although we don't know KNC's asic chip cost, the mere fact they are using (cheap) air cooling vs watercooling and supplying without a PSU in a cheap case must make KNC's costs significantly lower than Cointerra's. IMHO.


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WTF?  SOY... somehow I cannot read your post... it says "User ignored"... although I never told it to do so, and there is no "unignore" visible... anyone else have this? I rather enjoy Soy's posts....

also... I can confirm receipt of Neptune refund. Got it.


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Off topic, but does anyone wanna sell me a couple coins? I have bought from Merv before but he cant sell anyone... any takers? looking for 2-3 coins....
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aaah, shootz... hehe... had me fooled all the way... looks like i couldn't see your posts here... heeeh


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January 16, 2014, 04:00:11 AM
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aaah, shootz... hehe... had me fooled all the way... looks like i couldn't see your posts here... heeeh

Ah, I see.

I do use the ignore button freely.  Darned if I don't get tempted to unhide some.

Picture some guy who has me on ignore.  He goes to unhide that message ....



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January 16, 2014, 05:00:57 AM
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KNC be dammed for keeping tight lips on Neptune and even Jupiters.

Just sold my BFL Single for a nice sum of cash. Compared to the KNC hardware its so loud, hot, and terribly inefficient with power. I haven't done any power tests at the wall but the damned thing just demands a 500W PSU all to itself for 60 GH and the Mercury + upgrade board doing 290GH can use it and then some without being anywhere near as hot. I'll buy another upgrade board or a whole Jupiter over this thing.

I'm not one for donations but if you must go ahead and I will keep you in mind. =)
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January 16, 2014, 05:12:40 AM
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KNC be dammed for keeping tight lips on Neptune and even Jupiters.

Just sold my BFL Single for a nice sum of cash. Compared to the KNC hardware its so loud, hot, and terribly inefficient with power. I haven't done any power tests at the wall but the damned thing just demands a 500W PSU all to itself for 60 GH and the Mercury + upgrade board doing 290GH can use it and then some without being anywhere near as hot. I'll buy another upgrade board or a whole Jupiter over this thing.

How much did you get for the single? 50Gh/s or 60Gh/s?

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January 16, 2014, 06:29:57 AM
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No way KNC would sell the Jupiters for under 2k. At 2k, that is less $/GH than the customer appreciation Neptune batch, with an earlier delivery date.

My projection is they would sell it at around 4-4.5k, unless there were significant upgrades to merit a 5k price tag again. Either way, they would sell out very fast.

With network projections, we can probably safely assume that KNC manufacturers well over 1500 instead of the 1200 readily sold in each batch. You can calculate around 10% maximum additional units in referrals, with at least 5% being mined by the company. I'm sure the staff (either at the very top or a general policy) have access to employee units, so I'd say around 1500 per batch would be accurate, if not more.

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January 16, 2014, 07:15:43 AM
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KNC be dammed for keeping tight lips on Neptune and even Jupiters.

Just sold my BFL Single for a nice sum of cash. Compared to the KNC hardware its so loud, hot, and terribly inefficient with power. I haven't done any power tests at the wall but the damned thing just demands a 500W PSU all to itself for 60 GH and the Mercury + upgrade board doing 290GH can use it and then some without being anywhere near as hot. I'll buy another upgrade board or a whole Jupiter over this thing.

How much did you get for the single? 50Gh/s or 60Gh/s?

60GH
What I paid for it - $1.3k without a power supply. I've made that back and then some.

I just think with the skyrocketting difficulty that it won't last much longer unless BTC jumps up. Which, I'm not doubtful of, I just much rather get my hands on another KNC should the opportunity arise even if it costs $3-4k~
Otherwise, I needed the cash now anywho. Im moving to Canada for work and for the first time, Im going to be paying for electricity so it might kill me anyway.

I'm not one for donations but if you must go ahead and I will keep you in mind. =)
http://payb.tc/omeganemesis28
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January 16, 2014, 07:37:00 AM
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just some KNC info...

here in Melbourne Australia we are going through a heat wave..
I'm surprised that all 3 Jupiters haven't missed a beat and are handling the extreme heat very well.

day                     outside      max Jupiter
                      temp Celsius       temp
13th Monday           34                70
14th Tuesday          43                75
15th Wednesday      43                75
16th Thursday         44                76
17th Tomorrow        44               TBA

EDIT.  the max temps reported above are the rear ASIC boards while the front ones are about 10 degrees Celsius lower.
BTW, I moved my Jupiters from inside my office to the garage where my car lives otherwise they would have roasted my family alive.  Tongue
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January 16, 2014, 10:33:42 AM
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Hey Merv ,

I thought you Melbournites liked a bit of the hot stuff ............you should try Toowoomba   ......I was taking 3 showers a day  a week ago plus filling up the kiddies pool and stocking up on cold beers ........for medicinil purposes only ...........bloody hot ........and 3 days later I was looking for my doona I had packed away . aghhhhhhhhhh

Heres a good comp ,

"Who can predict the next diff change" .........closest measuerment wins ............I say the diff might be 40%  next change  !!!!!!!!!!!   Thoughts   ?

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Hey Merv ,

I thought you Melbournites liked a bit of the hot stuff ............you should try Toowoomba   ......I was taking 3 showers a day  a week ago plus filling up the kiddies pool and stocking up on cold beers ........for medicinil purposes only ...........bloody hot ........and 3 days later I was looking for my doona I had packed away . aghhhhhhhhhh

Heres a good comp ,

"Who can predict the next diff change" .........closest measuerment wins ............I say the diff might be 40%  next change  !!!!!!!!!!!   Thoughts   ?

Pete

Mr. Bitcoinorama said it should level off. My prediction is 0%.

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Mr. Bitcoinorama said it should level off. My prediction is 0%.

It will level off eventually, but not for a good few months yet.
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