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January 24, 2014, 07:41:21 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

...and as for selling Jupiters on E-Bay for triple.....   we/they own them, and there's NOTHING to stop you from selling something you own, for whatever price people are willing to pay. Simple as that. Too damned bad if they don't like it. imho
What gives them the right? I don't see Kurts comments saying what you are talking about... link please?


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January 24, 2014, 07:46:16 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
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http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/28538-rationale-of-refund-but-no-resale
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January 24, 2014, 07:49:50 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
I don't see Kurts comments saying what you are talking about... link please?

all I see is...   "Purchasing the Neptune miner from another source is definitely not a good idea. Please be aware that customers who have paid Neptune orders with us cannot change any shipping or billing information."

which means nothing except we have to reship them


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January 24, 2014, 07:52:59 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
I don't see Kurts comments saying what you are talking about... link please?

knc and others are selling pre-orders.  Selling an order of their pre-order is almost the same thing.  In both cases, neither party has the product in hand.  There's no difference, except for the addition of another middle man.
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"Hi,

We are aware that some customers are trying to sell their placement in the queue, whilst charging an extra fee to their buyer for this service. Whilst this is most likely a scam, it is entirely unfair to the customers already in the queue system and also unfair to others who did not get a chance to purchase a miner from us, thus we cannot endorse this in any way.

When a refund takes place, the customers behind them in the queue move up one place, which we believe is the fairest solution for all.

If any refunded Neptune miners do become available for purchase, we will add these to our web shop in due course"

we're scammers now...hehehe
"it is entirely unfair to the customers already in the queue system"
must be what you mean....
and I totally disagree with him, of course...   why?  The existing que customer paid less, therefore has an advantage.


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January 24, 2014, 08:05:01 PM
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I totally disagree with him, of course...   why?  The existing que customer paid less, therefore has an advantage.

Right, was it fair to have both TIME and price advantage? Usually it is one or another, but both? It felt unfair for sure.
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January 24, 2014, 08:08:36 PM
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I totally disagree with him, of course...   why?  The existing que customer paid less, therefore has an advantage.

Right, was it fair to have both TIME and price advantage? Usually it is one or another, but both? It felt unfair for sure.
I doubt Sam or Marcus told him to say that, seriously.


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January 24, 2014, 08:26:49 PM
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Not surprised by the amount of refunds lately, actually expected more. With Cointerra, Black arrow and Bitmine all likely shipping prior to Knc it just seems like a very bad deal. Even with 30% diff jumps it won't be profitable and I doubt we'll see that in february and march.

Not trying to take a jab at those of you who decide to keep yours, I just think it's sad that Knc aren't even trying to let their customers make money
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yup, its official. I bailed. Sorry KNC, your success went to your head.
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January 24, 2014, 08:37:08 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
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http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/28538-rationale-of-refund-but-no-resale

To cut in line, no matter what, is considered really, really rude in Scandinavia.
We don´t do that shit.

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January 24, 2014, 08:40:00 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
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http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/28538-rationale-of-refund-but-no-resale

To cut in line, no matter what, is considered really, really rude in Scandinavia.
We don´t do that shit.

Cutting in line means increasing the number of people in the queue with 1.
Selling your pre-order to somebody else means you leaving the queue and somebody else taking your spot.
From all other people in the queue point of view nothing has changed.
How is that rude?

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January 24, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
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http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/28538-rationale-of-refund-but-no-resale

To cut in line, no matter what, is considered really, really rude in Scandinavia.
We don´t do that shit.

i dont think you know what "cutting in line" means in reference to what we are talking about here...
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January 24, 2014, 08:45:36 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
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To cut in line, no matter what, is considered really, really rude in Scandinavia.
We don´t do that shit.

Cutting in line means increasing the number of people in the queue with 1.
Selling your pre-order to somebody else means you leaving the queue and somebody else taking your spot.
How is that rude?
From the all other people in queue point of view nothing has changed.

Except the bad after taste and the person behind you loose his opportunity to move up in the que (as agreed to happen if someone ask for refund). No serious business here in Scandinavia allows that shit, it´s unprofessional.

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January 24, 2014, 08:48:06 PM
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Not surprised by the amount of refunds lately, actually expected more. With Cointerra, Black arrow and Bitmine all likely shipping prior to Knc it just seems like a very bad deal. Even with 30% diff jumps it won't be profitable and I doubt we'll see that in february and march.

Not trying to take a jab at those of you who decide to keep yours, I just think it's sad that Knc aren't even trying to let their customers make money

There is no reason to think they will all ship prior. In fact, there's good reason to think many of them won't ship at all. The reasons I'm referring to are KNCminer having delivered and the failure of others to do the same.

Anything can happen, but to make a statement like you have is erroneous. If you were to gather information and make an accurate statement, it would be that KNC is likely to deliver in the time frame in which they've outlined because they have made good on that promise in the past which is the only piece of information that is of any importance to this conversation(mostly because KNC has been so tight lipped). On the flip side, the only information we have that can indicate the likely outcome of other manufacturers is the fact that there have been multiple scams and failures.

As much as we'd all like to give more value to our emotional assessment of things, we must look at hard facts. There aren't a lot of them... which is why this thread is two billion pages long, people are jumping ship, and there is general panic overtaking some people. I believe much of this panic is because lots of these people have "invested" money they really shouldn't have. Others whom seem to respond much more intelligently and calmly are likely solid, financially, and indeed "speculated" with money they can afford to lose.

Do I want to lose 13,200 bux? No. Can I lose 13,200 bux and would my life not be impacted? Yes, but my "feeling" is that, as I read many of people's reactions, these individuals cannot say the same. If you are freaking the F out over not getting ROI in seven days you have some very rigid expectations.  Normalize your expectations and you'll find your perspective of this whole thing is a bit more sane.

My requirement? N O T H I N G. This is a complete gamble, and if you don't think it is you're freaking tripp'n!  Best case scenario expectation? BTC to da moon and diff between 5 and 10 b. What is my expectation for what I think is the likely scenario? Diff closer to 10b, price having moderately increase, perhaps 1,500 - 2,000. Worst case scenario is diff of 20 billion and price crash below 500. Do I think my "feelings" are correct? I haven't the faintest clue...
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January 24, 2014, 08:51:49 PM
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Not surprised by the amount of refunds lately, actually expected more. With Cointerra, Black arrow and Bitmine all likely shipping prior to Knc it just seems like a very bad deal. Even with 30% diff jumps it won't be profitable and I doubt we'll see that in february and march.

Not trying to take a jab at those of you who decide to keep yours, I just think it's sad that Knc aren't even trying to let their customers make money

In fact, there's good reason to think many of them won't ship at all. The reasons I'm referring to are KNCminer having delivered and the failure of others to do the same.

Dude, HashFast is shipping in bulk. Cointerra is like 99% ready. Bitmine has taped out and got their chips... you´re kind of looking like:


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January 24, 2014, 08:55:35 PM
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oh, so we can sell the machines for them, but we're not allowed to profit?  hahaha good luck with that

I wonder if this is something in north european culture that we are missing? In US "speculation" or "profit" is not considered unfair or something bad.
link
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/acccounts/28538-rationale-of-refund-but-no-resale

To cut in line, no matter what, is considered really, really rude in Scandinavia.
We don´t do that shit.

Cutting in line means increasing the number of people in the queue with 1.
Selling your pre-order to somebody else means you leaving the queue and somebody else taking your spot.
How is that rude?
From the all other people in queue point of view nothing has changed.

Except the bad after taste and the person behind you loose his opportunity to move up in the que (as agreed to happen if someone ask for refund). No serious business here in Scandinavia allows that shit, it´s unprofessional.

Not to mention that someone couldn't order because someone who didn't want one already had the spot and they sold out...so instead of paying retail for a machine from KNC they pay a premium from someone who may not be trusted and may not be able to support them as well as a direct KNC buy.
Some very greedy twats in this game. Seriously. Selling an in hand machine is different from a pre-order. Possibly this is one reason for a lot of refunds, they ain't re-selling their pre-orders as easily as they though so they baled out. Given the hassle that gives KNC compared to a normal legit order, and the fucking price going up for batch 2 for genuine customers who couldn't get into batch 1 because they all sold out and many went to the carpet baggers...how would anyone think this is a cool idea?
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January 24, 2014, 09:16:46 PM
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Is it a 100% refund you get from KnC inclusive the VAT and shipping cost?


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January 24, 2014, 09:20:50 PM
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How is it different? Someone got Jupiter for 5K, but sells it for 12-15K on Ebay. Come on.
Life is unfair...someone did not log into computer at 6am in US or did not have 13k cash in the bank or something else.
In my opinion there cannot be one type or morality in one case (selling preorders) and another in the case of selling older/used machines.
If i bought iphone on ebay on day one for extra money, I would not pass judgement that someone "cut in line", I would say that the person did a service for me and I don't need to stay in stupid line for hours.
Besides, what is this stuff about "cutting in line"? How is this cutting in line when we already paid for it? It would be cutting in line if you sell your place in line, not AFTER your bank account got charged. If you paid for it-it is yours in any jurisdiction. Does free will ring a bell?
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January 24, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
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Not surprised by the amount of refunds lately, actually expected more. With Cointerra, Black arrow and Bitmine all likely shipping prior to Knc it just seems like a very bad deal. Even with 30% diff jumps it won't be profitable and I doubt we'll see that in february and march.

Not trying to take a jab at those of you who decide to keep yours, I just think it's sad that Knc aren't even trying to let their customers make money

In fact, there's good reason to think many of them won't ship at all. The reasons I'm referring to are KNCminer having delivered and the failure of others to do the same.

Dude, HashFast is shipping in bulk. Cointerra is like 99% ready. Bitmine has taped out and got their chips... you´re kind of looking like:



Sure, that's a good point. What percentage of the promises these manufacturers have made will hold up, in your opinion?
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