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April 02, 2014, 08:12:21 PM
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IMHO putting 30 Spooners in one rack is a non-starter.
Because of the heat density you would have to spread them amongst racks.
Most ordinary racks can not dissipate more than about 10KW with the doors closed without some serious (i.e. expensive) cooling solurtion (water cooling, sealed hot/cold aisle, high volume air flow, etc.).
Also, most data centres are not designed to handle that kind of spot heat output (I worked in data centres for 36 years).
Sorry, big generalisation here as I do not know your precise circumstances, but when I watched their video when they said you could put 30 in one rack I split my sides laughing.  Grin
You're welcome to visit our state of the art DC in Israel. No water cooling, very efficient air cooling.

We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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April 02, 2014, 08:15:58 PM
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IMHO putting 30 Spooners in one rack is a non-starter.
Because of the heat density you would have to spread them amongst racks.
Most ordinary racks can not dissipate more than about 10KW with the doors closed without some serious (i.e. expensive) cooling solurtion (water cooling, sealed hot/cold aisle, high volume air flow, etc.).
Also, most data centres are not designed to handle that kind of spot heat output (I worked in data centres for 36 years).
Sorry, big generalisation here as I do not know your precise circumstances, but when I watched their video when they said you could put 30 in one rack I split my sides laughing.  Grin
You're welcome to visit our state of the art DC in Israel. No water cooling, very efficient air cooling.

PUE?
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April 02, 2014, 08:34:00 PM
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For the last time:
We're manufacturing of mining equipment. Not farmers. It doesn't make sense to mine in Israel - uneconomical.
We're good at ASIC and board design. The operational aspects involved with large scale mining is out of our expertise.


You're welcome to visit our state of the art DC in Israel. No water cooling, very efficient air cooling.

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April 02, 2014, 08:36:12 PM
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PUE?
1.3
Very good for air cooling, nothing close to immerse cooling of course. Our design goal was to support customers miners, while creating very dense and efficient miner.
Give a customer choice - host at home / garage, our DC or every other co-location in the world (for small quantities).

We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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April 02, 2014, 08:36:58 PM
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For the last time:
We're manufacturing of mining equipment. Not farmers. It doesn't make sense to mine in Israel - uneconomical.
We're good at ASIC and board design. The operational aspects involved with large scale mining is out of our expertise.


You're welcome to visit our state of the art DC in Israel. No water cooling, very efficient air cooling.

what's ironic about the whole measure of this; you'll be lucky if they have any units left to show you a d/c..!
I'd say them spoondledoondlethrumps are in pole position.

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April 02, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
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For the last time:
We're manufacturing of mining equipment. Not farmers. It doesn't make sense to mine in Israel - uneconomical.
We're good at ASIC and board design. The operational aspects involved with large scale mining is out of our expertise.


You're welcome to visit our state of the art DC in Israel. No water cooling, very efficient air cooling.
Both statements are true.
Our DC will be used by our customers miners only.
We don't mine for ourselves.

We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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April 02, 2014, 08:42:58 PM
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For the last time:
We're manufacturing of mining equipment. Not farmers. It doesn't make sense to mine in Israel - uneconomical.
We're good at ASIC and board design. The operational aspects involved with large scale mining is out of our expertise.


You're welcome to visit our state of the art DC in Israel. No water cooling, very efficient air cooling.
Both statements are true.
Our DC will be used by our customers miners only.
We don't mine for ourselves.


hilarious so you admit that it doesn't make sense for customers to pay for hosting/cloud hashing in Israel but you'll sell it at a profit anyway

as in you wouldn't be caught dead pissing your money away mining in Israel or anywhere vs the likes of KNC uberhall but if any dumb customers want to give you a profit to do that sort of thing, by all means sign up

are you done spamming in this thread?


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April 02, 2014, 08:45:26 PM
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hilarious so you admit that it doesn't make sense for customers to pay for hosting/cloud hashing in Israel but you'll sell it at a profit anyway
We don't profit from it. It enable us to sell more miners. Check electricity price in Israel, VAT (on US) and do the math.

We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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April 02, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
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hilarious so you admit that it doesn't make sense for customers to pay for hosting/cloud hashing in Israel but you'll sell it at a profit anyway
We don't profit from it. It enable us to sell more miners. Check electricity price in Israel, VAT (on US) and do the math.
I don't see any options on your website to order/pay for miners to run from a DC? How does it happen?

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April 02, 2014, 08:49:34 PM
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hilarious so you admit that it doesn't make sense for customers to pay for hosting/cloud hashing in Israel but you'll sell it at a profit anyway
We don't profit from it. It enable us to sell more miners. Check electricity price in Israel, VAT (on US) and do the math.
I don't see any options on your website to order/pay for miners to run from a DC? How does it happen?
Indeed, too much posts on this thread. Back to ours. We've published the price today. The web site is being updated. April batch can contact us.
Please continue your questions on our thread.

We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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April 02, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
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hilarious so you admit that it doesn't make sense for customers to pay for hosting/cloud hashing in Israel but you'll sell it at a profit anyway
We don't profit from it. It enable us to sell more miners. Check electricity price in Israel, VAT (on US) and do the math.
I don't see any options on your website to order/pay for miners to run from a DC? How does it happen?
Indeed, too much posts on this thread. Back to ours. We've published the price today. The web site is being updated. April batch can contact us.
Please continue your questions on our thread.
Come and visit our state of the art DC in Israel. It contains nothing, as we have not offered the service to anyone yet. But you can look at our efficient non-existent racks of miners and see how cool they run. No private farm, just racks of machines you can look at that don't actually exist.

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April 02, 2014, 10:37:51 PM
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Can't wait to receive double the order i made with so many refunds Cheesy (won't happen, but i like to dream)

I wonder what is the current refund rate? It was ~25% after the first wave (judging by the size of the "second part" of batch 2) and now probably at least 40%, but would not be surprised if it becomes 60-65% if BTC stays at ~400-450. 20-25% will probably never refund, no matter what the price is.
Neptune got a perfect storm surging against it (the opposite of luck with jupiter)=BTC going from $1200 to $400, while difficulty went from 700mil to current 5000 mil, showing that some financiers/VCs thesis that price has to follow difficulty has no bearing on reality (at least in both short and medium term).
My early batch 1 order will probably be among CA batch timewise if I decide to keep it against my better judgement.
 
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April 02, 2014, 10:57:03 PM
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How is that data center up in Norrland looking now KNC? I hope your overhead isn't to steep! 2-3k$/Jupiter much start looking good just about now instead of waiting for uncertain profits ;P
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April 02, 2014, 11:19:11 PM
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How is that data center up in Norrland looking now KNC? I hope your overhead isn't to steep! 2-3k$/Jupiter much start looking good just about now instead of waiting for uncertain profits ;P
They are projecting

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://www.va.se/case/de-digitala-guldgravarna-626597
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"When the mine in the north is fully operational it will generate approximately $ 1 million in revenue," said Sam Cole.

Over what period?

"Per day."

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April 02, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
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How is that data center up in Norrland looking now KNC? I hope your overhead isn't to steep! 2-3k$/Jupiter much start looking good just about now instead of waiting for uncertain profits ;P
They are projecting

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://www.va.se/case/de-digitala-guldgravarna-626597
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"When the mine in the north is fully operational it will generate approximately $ 1 million in revenue," said Sam Cole.

Over what period?

"Per day."

Wishful thinking. $1mil a day at these prices=~63% of all mining (total current output is $1.584mil/day).
There will be $0-1 price immediately afterwards and then the farm will close.
If they are smart, they will not get above 33-39% or ~0.5mil a day at todays prices.

EDIT: yep, they interviewed on Feb 28 when price was ~600-650, hence they are aiming at 42-45% of ALL mining

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April 02, 2014, 11:59:15 PM
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How is that data center up in Norrland looking now KNC? I hope your overhead isn't to steep! 2-3k$/Jupiter much start looking good just about now instead of waiting for uncertain profits ;P
They are projecting

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://www.va.se/case/de-digitala-guldgravarna-626597
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"When the mine in the north is fully operational it will generate approximately $ 1 million in revenue," said Sam Cole.

Over what period?

"Per day."

Wishful thinking. $1mil a day at these prices=~63% of all mining (total current output is $1.584mil/day).
There will be $0-1 price immediately afterwards and then the farm will close.
If they are smart, they will not get above 33-39% or ~0.5mil a day at todays prices.

EDIT: yep, they interviewed on Feb 28 when price was ~600-650, hence they are aiming at 42-45% of ALL mining


That doesn't take into account that if their farm is 42-45% of all mining, it has then increased the network significantly so their actual share is less (or they want to deploy even more).

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April 03, 2014, 12:48:37 AM
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IMHO putting 30 Spooners in one rack is a non-starter.
Because of the heat density you would have to spread them amongst racks.
Most ordinary racks can not dissipate more than about 10KW with the doors closed without some serious (i.e. expensive) cooling solurtion (water cooling, sealed hot/cold aisle, high volume air flow, etc.).
Also, most data centres are not designed to handle that kind of spot heat output (I worked in data centres for 36 years).
Sorry, big generalisation here as I do not know your precise circumstances, but when I watched their video when they said you could put 30 in one rack I split my sides laughing.  Grin
You're welcome to visit our state of the art DC in Israel. No water cooling, very efficient air cooling.

Thanks for the offer but I don't think I can take you up on it this year (I would like to because that's what I spent most of my life doing, auditing DC's, it's almost like a hobby of mine now).
I'm sure you have a nice new "state of the art" DC but my point was that most are not.
I worked in a DC with 1.3 PUE, it was in Scotland. It was designed to 1.5KW/m2.
Credits to you running that PUE in Israel, where I imagine the average temperature is somewhat higher.
But you have mountains there so perhaps you could locate it at a cooler altitude?
Anyway, 30 of your SP10 units in a 45U rack would output ~36KW.
Even removing the doors and using a sealed hot/cold aisle with high-volume chilled air input you must be seeing exhaust temperatures in the 80C range.
And what's the benefit?
Most DC's are not that short of floor space.
You would run out of power input capacity at that power density before you ran out of floor space.
Nobody designs to 12KW/m2.
(IMHO).

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April 03, 2014, 02:21:26 AM
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The party is about over boys and girls.

BTC is $422 USD

Every week is new bad news.

Silk Road

Gox

KNC screwing you over

US makes Bitcoin Property

China

There will be new bad news every week and Bitcoin will be down to $100 in 60 days if this continues.


Question is why would you not refund every single order you have pending where ever a refund was possible?


Any other insightful predictions ya need from me?

Going to mine 24-25 BTC with your KNC Neptune? If not than you are screwed because you paid 10 grand for it.

Each bit of bad news kills BTC by $100

3 more bad stories and we are at $100

5 more stories and its over BTC will be at $10, All companies will close, bankruptcy everywhere.
Difficulty too high on a currency worth $10. Game over.


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April 03, 2014, 02:56:17 AM
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What interpetation we have to give at Q1/Q2 promised delivering ? Depends on meaning of "/" in Q1/Q2. What interpretation to give? In fact, it is entirely plausible That "/" means that the Neptune is delivered between the last days of March and early April. Knc should be more careful in writing the terms of the contract.

from wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_(punctuation)#In_English_text

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The slash is most commonly used as the word substitute for "or" which indicates a choice (often mutually-exclusive) is present.

They obviously meant "or", i.e. "Neptune will ship in either Q1 or Q2." They did that to dupe people into believing that Q1 was a possibility. They were never going to ship in Q1, but they wanted people to think they would, without flat out lying about delivery dates. It worked. Tons of people ordered believing in a false Q1 ship date.

In this case interpretation of "/" is to intend in this way: Knc promised us to ship all miners in the period starting from q1 to q2. But the did not shipped anything in q1. They broke their promises. They have to refund us (if we want)  not only in dollars, but also in BTC

They said Q1/Q2 which means Q1 or Q2 they never promised to ship in Q1 it was an or. Based on past experience end of Q2 is the expectation since thats the last valid day.

Your interpretation of Q1/Q2 seems to be on purpose. Did you really think it meant they knew they would be shipping the miner between Q1 and Q2? There is no between quarters, they end one day and the next one starts immediately the day after so your slash idea is not plausible its ridiculous. If they said Q1/Q3 you would have a point but they said Q1/Q2 which are consecutive quarters, there is no gap between them.

They broke no promises, and if you really were confused about it why not email the company and ask?
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April 03, 2014, 03:11:53 AM
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its getting harder by the day to hold fast.

but what else is there?

refund 10k, buy BTC at 400 and watch them keep dropping to 100?

its a catch 22 situation and these 'uberdatahall' guys are making it a whole lot worse with their greed!

if they have had the ability to give us our 3th over a month ago, the only excuse for not doing so is kleptomania....

i also wish to see BTC plummet to 0.01usd just to destroy these well-fed clowns.

but then i also have BTC i dont want to be worthless....obviously!

catch 22 - rock & a hard place - darlin' u've got to let me know....should i cool it or

Refund the miner and enjoy your cash. Have cash, some miner, BTC, lTC, stocks, RE, whatever. I felt much better after I refunded the second miner (still clinging to one-just stupid curiosity). However, I realize one thing today-we are competitors to Sam Cole, not really customers anymore, so he is gently prodding us toward the exit. He wants KnC to become a bank with focus on Africa (no kidding).
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