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March 11, 2015, 12:00:43 PM
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can it be undervolted to ~200w per cube?
You could do a combo of undervolting and underclocking to get it down that low, but your hashrate would suck.

Ok, updating from my last post...

First, here is why I was not fond of the Noctua fan's results:

That is the Delta 92mm @ 160CFM, compared to the KnC branded fan. It was my initial test, pulled from a Dell XPS 600, to see how well the Noctua might do.

Then this was the Noctua's results:

Undecided For the cost, it was not much of an improvement over stock and the Delta did much better for the same CFM.

So, on the cut-corners, super cheapo, no warranty Bonus Neptune, I wanted to try the heatsink idea I had saved away from the same time (July 2014).

Enter the Enzotech BRM-C1 Pure Forged Copper 14mm x 14mm x 14mm heatsink.  Cool
Picture of them installed:


Unfortunately, with the stock fan, they also do not cool as well as I had hoped. It is probably the 3M thermal pad with its low thermal conductivity. I bought some Arctic Silver Thermal Adhesive (ASTA-7G) to replace it, so I will report back on how that goes. The Enzos will get you down to the 80s to lower 90s Celsius range on the stock fan though, with some undervolting. They also cost about half of what the Noctuas do and you are not running 42 decibels of noise. You just have to do a little labor on the E heatsink. *gasp* Tongue Of course, if the $ does not bother you, you could go all out and do both a fan upgrade and the heatsinks.

Tip: Everyone should undervolt as far as they can anyways. On the Neptune, you do not lose any hasrate by undervolting, so not undervolting just means you are wasting power. If you do notice a slight hashrate drop, it means one or more dies is too low and is not running stable. Watch them, wait to see the unstable one act up, then bump it up one notch. Done. Wink

I wish I knew what brand the KnC fan is, since it would likely be the best value. It looks like an EverCool, but I do not see one with high enough CFM. It is in-between the BitFenix (122CFM) and the Noctua (159CFM), so it should be in the 130CFM range.

Here is the Enzotech heatsink temperature breakdown for the 4 mentioned fan brands:

Stock Voltage and Frequency settings:


Stock Voltage with Frequency Overclock:


Max Undervolting and Frequency Overclock:


I still need to swap that Speedy fan and one of the BitFenix, just to make sure the Speedy really is the cause of the higher temps. So, according to KnC's email, they could source some lower CFM, cheap unknown fan, but they could not source the publicly available BitFenix? Riiiigghhht.  Roll Eyes

I wonder if their forum will ever come back, since it looks like they are aiming to wash the site clean. Gotta love them quoting Satoshi Nakamoto. Like that quote somehow excuses them from screwing their customers by unapologetically going back on their 5% promise and building massive farms that kill any chance of us reaching ROI.  Just another bucket of excrement that they toss in our face. Angry

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March 11, 2015, 01:26:18 PM
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have you seen the status of the Scrypt hardware market ? KNC is basically the ONLY company that delivered and they sent you bonus machines. 

Where is HUH? when you need him ?
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March 11, 2015, 09:19:24 PM
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I still need to swap that Speedy fan and one of the BitFenix, just to make sure the Speedy really is the cause of the higher temps. So, according to KnC's email, they could source some lower CFM, cheap unknown fan, but they could not source the publicly available BitFenix? Riiiigghhht.  Roll Eyes

I wonder if their forum will ever come back, since it looks like they are aiming to wash the site clean. Gotta love them quoting Satoshi Nakamoto. Like that quote somehow excuses them from screwing their customers by unapologetically going back on their 5% promise and building massive farms that kill any chance of us reaching ROI.  Just another bucket of excrement that they toss in our face. Angry

You have to move air over the added heatsinks.

If you buy one single 20" (500mm) 3 speed AC box/window fan you can cool everything for $20us.
They are quieter to me.
They have lower pitch because they rotate slower.

I ran my VRMs without any heatsinks all winter but I blow air over them.
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March 11, 2015, 11:26:42 PM
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You have to move air over the added heatsinks.

If you buy one single 20" (500mm) 3 speed AC box/window fan you can cool everything for $20us.
They are quieter to me.
They have lower pitch because they rotate slower.

I ran my VRMs without any heatsinks all winter but I blow air over them.
http://imgur.com/LhXa182

Thanks tolip, you do some intense mods.  Cool That would offer around the same CFM as 15 Noctuas, at a fraction of the cost and using a little more power. I'm looking for a more "user friendly" solution though. Here is my very condensed layout:

I should take an updated pic though, as I've recently added the bonus miner to that empty section.

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March 12, 2015, 04:29:06 AM
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nice, are those neptunes?
Yep, two Neptune miners (5 Cubes x 2).

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March 12, 2015, 04:57:23 AM
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I can understand the frustration of the Neppy folks but the Titan folks might have got thier miners a month or two late (HELLO that happens in this industry)

I lost a good chunk of $$ on the SP30 when they shipped a month or two late as well and I'm not trying to sue.

Plus you got more MHZ than the spec 256 , and you got bonus Titans in March.

WTF are you douches crying about !  its not KNC's fault the Scrypt coin market tanked , that's part of investing .. win some lose most.

You Titan guys are so annoying especially Searing.  

At least KNC shipped .  Go look at the HASRA thread , Fib Thread, MAT thread, Alpha and more that i care to name.  

If anything you should be washing KNC's balls if you are a Titan owner since you have one of only two Scrypt ASIC that shipped in late 2014  

I can't imagine how this thread would look if they pulled an Alpha on you guys lol.

Get lost, they sold a $10,000 machine and shipped them late in an "alpha" state many people received non working dies ending up with less than 150mhs, not talking about the double amount of wattage needed to run this unstable shit. (not talking about the fact that a decent psu couldn't run it since they didn't send you the Y cables only but one month after that)

I wonder, what would you do if you've bought a brand new Ferrari and received it without seats and wheels and your engine consumes twice the amount of gas...   dumbass.

have you seen the status of the Scrypt hardware market ? KNC is basically the ONLY company that delivered and they sent you bonus machines.   At least they delivered.  Either way
you all messed up for doing pre-order anyways after you already KNEW thy fucked over the Neptune guys a quarter before you.

If anything you should cut your losses sell the miners for 5k (yes they are going for 2500 on ebay right now)  I'm sure you have at least mined 2-3k worth of coins its not a total loss.

Most other folks that pre-ordred scrypt asics got ... drumroll NOTHING.   Heck if you sold the units a few weeks ago along with the bonus unit you might even have broke even.


er....the Titan scrypt miner did NOT GET A BONUS MINER....we got zip.that was for the Neptunes sha256 miners..NOT scrypt miner Titans....we barely got the y connectors so the unit would not catch on fire 9 weeks late!

i've been mining since nov 8th was in the front more or less ordering of the pack i've made 1,700 usd as of today  of which you can take out 575 for elec for 4 months....because the damn miners as stated in a prev post was sent out w/o working ALPHA software on the SD of any note first couple months..also you can't really sell a unit on ebay if it comes with two dead dies out of 16 dies like mine or say they get it and a die dies.... and knc refuses to RMA any unit that you can creep 300mh out of it....so sell that on ebay you'd get it back after 40 days of mining and have to refund ..i sure as hell would send one back with a bad die if i got one on ebay....so that don't work well because most of the folk over 60% have a titan unit with a bad die..knc admitted their first batch of chips was flawed but no compensation (knc states consumer law under Sweden does not apply to knc purchasers in that we are a business and this is experimental asic equipment) you begin to see a trend here yet. (bet he continues to blame the victim us purchaser's here)

to say our options are limited is an understatement..sure 20/20 hindsight my order was  a mistake as a newbie in Oct 18th 2013 I got a knc 550gh jupiter via paypal and cc paid no less full refunds offered..made ROI in 3 weeks! and BTC that day was an even 150 usd ...6 WEEKS later BTC was 1100 usd (proud of my restraint i did not buy 3 newbie that i was)....so i got a pre order neptune with my cc via paypal from a reputable company at the time..in nov or so KNC  then decided to mine all further equip of that type for themselves and the neptune being late i 'converted' to a Titan (yeah a mistake) then knc went off the rails sending used frankenjupiter junk....and the slow decline thru out 2014....I got my Titan 3 months late or more from the 'implied' ship date of july/august...so yeah knc went from nun to porn star from greed they made 200 million i heard the first year....live an learn ...but at the time of my orig order and at the time of my xfer to a titan all was well with knc....so yeah bad move on my part but just saying it is all the fault of the buyer is a crock of hooey.....there may be blame on my part.. as a consumer...but there is in most folks view a lot more blame from knc on this whole thing..it is all there way ..hell a 200 million dollar company and they claim their 'voice phone' is broken....it is all a scam...now they will continue the scam with newbie rich guys IPO $$ and their data hall etc..same scam different richer group of newbies

so as others have said you really have no idea of the 'depth' of what has been going on here..but i'm sure you will go back to saying all issues of this type are due to the consumer..the corporation is never to blame on such practices....(hey it is what trolls do) by the by on a side note KNC with RMA issues was sending 2 1/2 working cubes to replace 1 bad cube on RMA's yeah .they are saints they are!

whatever so it goes live an learn (except for trolls)

p.s. to further show us out the door as customers..knc just posted this looks like support forums are now gone. So the only way to get info is on this thread I guess or thru support at knc itself via email....ah knc email...putting snail mail to shame...i assume there 200 million usd company phone for voice still does not work however.....heh that is gonna work well.... brick them units with no support ...allow more $$$ to knc via its 'stolen' bonus neppie data farm i guess..... Smiley

here is the link saying essentially for previous customers with equipment don't let the screen door hit you on the ass on the way out!

http://www.kncminer.com/blog/newsarchive

ah i yearn for the sweet release of titan asic death (ie doorstop) so i can move on to bigger and better future mistakes (hopefully involving multiple co-eds)



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March 12, 2015, 08:00:23 AM
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I can understand the frustration of the Neppy folks but the Titan folks might have got thier miners a month or two late (HELLO that happens in this industry)

I lost a good chunk of $$ on the SP30 when they shipped a month or two late as well and I'm not trying to sue.

Plus you got more MHZ than the spec 256 , and you got bonus Titans in March.

WTF are you douches crying about !  its not KNC's fault the Scrypt coin market tanked , that's part of investing .. win some lose most.

You Titan guys are so annoying especially Searing.  

At least KNC shipped .  Go look at the HASRA thread , Fib Thread, MAT thread, Alpha and more that i care to name.  

If anything you should be washing KNC's balls if you are a Titan owner since you have one of only two Scrypt ASIC that shipped in late 2014  

I can't imagine how this thread would look if they pulled an Alpha on you guys lol.

Get lost, they sold a $10,000 machine and shipped them late in an "alpha" state many people received non working dies ending up with less than 150mhs, not talking about the double amount of wattage needed to run this unstable shit. (not talking about the fact that a decent psu couldn't run it since they didn't send you the Y cables only but one month after that)

I wonder, what would you do if you've bought a brand new Ferrari and received it without seats and wheels and your engine consumes twice the amount of gas...   dumbass.

have you seen the status of the Scrypt hardware market ? KNC is basically the ONLY company that delivered and they sent you bonus machines.   At least they delivered.  Either way
you all messed up for doing pre-order anyways after you already KNEW thy fucked over the Neptune guys a quarter before you.

If anything you should cut your losses sell the miners for 5k (yes they are going for 2500 on ebay right now)  I'm sure you have at least mined 2-3k worth of coins its not a total loss.

Most other folks that pre-ordred scrypt asics got ... drumroll NOTHING.   Heck if you sold the units a few weeks ago along with the bonus unit you might even have broke even.


er....the Titan scrypt miner did NOT GET A BONUS MINER....we got zip.that was for the Neptunes sha256 miners..NOT scrypt miner Titans....we barely got the y connectors so the unit would not catch on fire 9 weeks late!

i've been mining since nov 8th was in the front more or less ordering of the pack i've made 1,700 usd as of today  of which you can take out 575 for elec for 4 months....because the damn miners as stated in a prev post was sent out w/o working ALPHA software on the SD of any note first couple months..also you can't really sell a unit on ebay if it comes with two dead dies out of 16 dies like mine or say they get it and a die dies.... and knc refuses to RMA any unit that you can creep 300mh out of it....so sell that on ebay you'd get it back after 40 days of mining and have to refund ..i sure as hell would send one back with a bad die if i got one on ebay....so that don't work well because most of the folk over 60% have a titan unit with a bad die..knc admitted their first batch of chips was flawed but no compensation (knc states consumer law under Sweden does not apply to knc purchasers in that we are a business and this is experimental asic equipment) you begin to see a trend here yet. (bet he continues to blame the victim us purchaser's here)

to say our options are limited is an understatement..sure 20/20 hindsight my order was  a mistake as a newbie in Oct 18th 2013 I got a knc 550gh jupiter via paypal and cc paid no less full refunds offered..made ROI in 3 weeks! and BTC that day was an even 150 usd ...6 WEEKS later BTC was 1100 usd (proud of my restraint i did not buy 3 newbie that i was)....so i got a pre order neptune with my cc via paypal from a reputable company at the time..in nov or so KNC  then decided to mine all further equip of that type for themselves and the neptune being late i 'converted' to a Titan (yeah a mistake) then knc went off the rails sending used frankenjupiter junk....and the slow decline thru out 2014....I got my Titan 3 months late or more from the 'implied' ship date of july/august...so yeah knc went from nun to porn star from greed they made 200 million i heard the first year....live an learn ...but at the time of my orig order and at the time of my xfer to a titan all was well with knc....so yeah bad move on my part but just saying it is all the fault of the buyer is a crock of hooey.....there may be blame on my part.. as a consumer...but there is in most folks view a lot more blame from knc on this whole thing..it is all there way ..hell a 200 million dollar company and they claim their 'voice phone' is broken....it is all a scam...now they will continue the scam with newbie rich guys IPO $$ and their data hall etc..same scam different richer group of newbies

so as others have said you really have no idea of the 'depth' of what has been going on here..but i'm sure you will go back to saying all issues of this type are due to the consumer..the corporation is never to blame on such practices....(hey it is what trolls do) by the by on a side note KNC with RMA issues was sending 2 1/2 working cubes to replace 1 bad cube on RMA's yeah .they are saints they are!

whatever so it goes live an learn (except for trolls)

p.s. to further show us out the door as customers..knc just posted this looks like support forums are now gone. So the only way to get info is on this thread I guess or thru support at knc itself via email....ah knc email...putting snail mail to shame...i assume there 200 million usd company phone for voice still does not work however.....heh that is gonna work well.... brick them units with no support ...allow more $$$ to knc via its 'stolen' bonus neppie data farm i guess..... Smiley

here is the link saying essentially for previous customers with equipment don't let the screen door hit you on the ass on the way out!

http://www.kncminer.com/blog/newsarchive

ah i yearn for the sweet release of titan asic death (ie doorstop) so i can move on to bigger and better future mistakes (hopefully involving multiple co-eds)




Some people got bonus Titans , they posted on another board so I assumed everyone got a free miner for the delay.  My bad I guess KNC did FK ppl after all.


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March 12, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
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Some people got bonus Titans , they posted on another board so I assumed everyone got a free miner for the delay.  My bad I guess KNC did FK ppl after all.
You sure they didn't get a free die for receiving a non working Titan ?  I haven't visited their forums after I joined the lawsuit..
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Some people got bonus Titans , they posted on another board so I assumed everyone got a free miner for the delay.  My bad I guess KNC did FK ppl after all.
You sure they didn't get a free die for receiving a non working Titan ?  I haven't visited their forums after I joined the lawsuit..


people who got a Neptune at least at the beginning of the bonus offer were able change their bonus neptune to a bonus titan ...there were very few of those....knc soon after stopped
this but yes there are a few bonus titans...pretty rare i think...that may flow out to the neptune guys who chose this as an option.

no idea if bonus titans are shipping yet in that knc has gone 'dark' on support...

http://www.kncminer.com/blog/newsarchive

i wonder if they are taking voice msgs on support via their voice phone now
in the past i think i was told they did not...referred you to forums or email

so email seems to be the support option now.....


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March 12, 2015, 10:48:11 AM
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i simple wait my bonus titan
will be out after all batch 2 had shipped
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March 12, 2015, 12:05:21 PM
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i simple wait my bonus titan
will be out after all batch 2 had shipped


hmm...if you got a bonus titan rather then a bonus neppie..i guess they COULD end up shipping it last...damn...hopefully they will just ship the lot
so your not at the end of the line

guess there are a few more of them bonus 'titans' as a bonus miner hedge on the neppie orders then I thought.....well ..hopefully you will get them
in time so they do a bit better then the bonus nepunes (currently selling new in box for 700 bucks more or less on ebay as we speak)


edit: additional

On a side note it looks like there is a bigger sha256 and/or scrypt miner coming out (if legit) now that KNC is out of the biz

anyway for those interested in the future of big ass sha256 and/or scrypt miners ...here is the thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985400.0

if it works as advertised it will sure cost a pretty penny imho ..perhaps this is old news to folks first i heard of it

hopefully they will NOT go the pre-order route.... anyway for what it is worth on the info


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March 13, 2015, 06:52:02 PM
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Can I use a control board from a jupiter to run a neptune? Also do you know any place I can buy a neptune control board, or if there is any alternative to using one?
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March 14, 2015, 02:27:03 AM
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Can I use a control board from a jupiter to run a neptune? Also do you know any place I can buy a neptune control board, or if there is any alternative to using one?

when knc forums existed the tech guys 'said' you could just flash the firmware of he neppie on to the SD card and use the same controller as the jupiter on a neptune

supposedly the boards are the same

others on here probably know more but this is what I read on the forums (by staff) for what it is worth

anyway .....someone musta tried it ...i'm pretty sure some got it to work on knc forums but i forget the names

sorry ....all i can remember..hopefully others with a link or saved the info can pop on here

edit: side note the .bin files are back under the www.kncminer.com revised page for those wondering

http://www.kncminer.com/support

also the above is just for Neptune and Titans Firmware. Nothing on the page (yet) for Mercury/Saturn/Jupiter Frimware.

just go to github for the files directly I guess is still the only option on the 2013 products above

https://github.com/KnCMiner

damn it i should archived the damn forums...anyone parinoid enough to do that?




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March 14, 2015, 02:35:06 AM
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when knc forums existed the tech guys 'said' you could just flash the firmware of he neppie on to the SD card and use the same controller as the jupiter on a neptune
Oh buggerall.. they got rid of the forums entirely?  They couldn't have just left that around, set to read-only, and not linked to from their public-facing web.. just for their pre-existing customers? Rhetorical: yes they could have, and if they still have the db, I sure wish they would.

In lieu of that...
A bunch of the threads were, at least in part, saved on the internet archive: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/
Finding the thread you need may require a little help from Google, which may also have some cached pages itself.

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March 15, 2015, 08:32:35 AM
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if i ever see sam cole ill puch him in the dick

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March 15, 2015, 09:55:29 AM
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if i ever see sam cole ill puch him in the dick

Videotape it ...I'm sure you'd get 1 BTC out of most of us EACH towards your bail money from folks screwed over by KNC on this forum....  FROM JUST GETTING IN HIS FACE AND CALLING HIM A DICK....with hopefully lots and lots of reporters around to record the truth. (NO Exaggeration on my part either imho)

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March 15, 2015, 10:09:14 AM
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if i ever see sam cole ill puch him in the dick

Videotape it ...I'm sure you'd get 1 BTC out of most of us EACH towards your bail money from folks screwed over by KNC on this forum....  FROM JUST GETTING IN HIS FACE AND CALLING HIM A DICK....with hopefully lots and lots of reporters around to record the truth. (NO Exaggeration on my part either imho)


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March 15, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
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Wel we got what the complainers wanted is it.....
They no longer sell to consumers , because they are simply to stupid to adminstrate a bitcoin miner.
If you are are investor you could have hired someone who has the skills instead of complaining and trying to sue them.





As yiou can see 3.6 TH , and 7.3 TH for 2 KNC miners.......

there is notting wrong with KNC miners , they work fine the only thing you need is skills to drive them , as I said its a formula 1 car
and thats why the dont sell them to cunsumers.
because consumers are sheelpe that buy stuff from borrowed money that breaks before you get your ROI , its the kind of people to stupid to handle industrial equipment.
end result solar miner will not be availble for you anymore. Smiley



 



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March 15, 2015, 02:45:58 PM
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I guess you just ignored the whole discussion for the last 6 months about the Titan and the fact it was shipped defected and in an "Alpha" state, and the fact that the only working units were able to stay stable did that only a few months after their late delivery and many firmware updates.
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March 15, 2015, 03:06:27 PM
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I guess you just ignored the whole discussion for the last 6 months about the Titan and the fact it was shipped defected and in an "Alpha" state, and the fact that the only working units were able to stay stable did that only a few months after their late delivery and many firmware updates.


nEPTUNE was also alphe , that means you have to use the github https://github.com/KnCMiner to keep your firmware
up to date and if you find mistaks send them a proper debug report so they can fix it or make a fix you self and send it to them
That is the spirit these devices are developed in.
to make it consumer idiot proof it takes a other 3 years what you don't have in bitcoin miner space.
the developers of knc wanted to share the product expecting people who are capable to write proper dubug reports or come with fixes.
if that is to complicated you should not have order one.

 



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