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July 07, 2013, 03:11:53 PM |
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Great news. I need some sexy pics of the ASIC hardware soon. (hopefully troll safe text)
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ASIC-K
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July 07, 2013, 03:14:27 PM |
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Great news. I need some sexy pics of the ASIC hardware soon. (hopefully troll safe text)
a picture of the casing would blow my mind. i would be so happy just to see what it looks like. i heard from the open day that its going to be more like a "cage" so air can pass through and fingers wont get burned. |
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mvidetto
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July 07, 2013, 09:44:05 PM |
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Any news since the last update, is knc still on schedule?
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July 07, 2013, 09:54:32 PM |
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Any news since the last update, is knc still on schedule?
No news since. This is a few post above yours : i asked if any new updates were coming to the website news section, emilia says they will be posting more technical info about the devices "shortly". heres hoping! i check the damn site every hour. lol
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July 07, 2013, 10:05:34 PM |
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I'm still waiting for the "Where is friedcat?" thread...
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July 08, 2013, 03:59:17 PM |
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The 6th image is an eASIC board perhaps you need to look it up on Google, it's not an ASIC designed from the ground up, but a programmable prototype that gets converted to an easicopy production ASIC. Most of the FPGA vendors have this kind of service to some extent. The type of thing we are talking about for KNCminer is a totally different beast, though I would imagine an eASIC prototype would be a viable test of the logic.
ORSorc are a channel partner for eASIC.
So the KNC ASIC miners are based upon eASIC's and not a cell based ASIC? |
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July 08, 2013, 04:09:37 PM |
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The 6th image is an eASIC board perhaps you need to look it up on Google, it's not an ASIC designed from the ground up, but a programmable prototype that gets converted to an easicopy production ASIC. Most of the FPGA vendors have this kind of service to some extent. The type of thing we are talking about for KNCminer is a totally different beast, though I would imagine an eASIC prototype would be a viable test of the logic.
ORSorc are a channel partner for eASIC.
So the KNC ASIC miners are based upon eASIC's and not a cell based ASIC? How else would the lead times they are claiming be possible? There is no way they are designing a full chip. It really makes me wonder how they are getting these numbers they are claiming though? |
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July 08, 2013, 08:24:58 PM |
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How else would the lead times they are claiming be possible? There is no way they are designing a full chip. It really makes me wonder how they are getting these numbers they are claiming though?
I don't know if they are using eASIC for this project, not enough info has come out yet. It would be interesting to know. |
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July 08, 2013, 08:29:50 PM |
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Just a little bit of info regarding KnC They contact ckolivas and myself at the end of May regarding cgminer and related information. They then stated they'd be sending (in July) mock up devices (with an internal RPi) for us to work with on cgminer, then in September the real (faster) devices to tune cgminer to. I have, however, heard nothing since, but no doubt expect to hear something soon. I'll keep everyone posted if anything happens  Thanks Kano! |
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Loredo
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July 08, 2013, 08:38:52 PM |
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How else would the lead times they are claiming be possible? There is no way they are designing a full chip. It really makes me wonder how they are getting these numbers they are claiming though?
That (eASIC) potential is the only thing that ever made any sense to me, and the relationship between them and OrSoC is the only reason I've given this any real credibility. There are some things that just aren't vanilla here, though, and that's why, if the $3.5MM NRE number is real, there must be something new in the works. Remember something when you think about these developments by entities that aren't kids or firms which lack the scientific guidance like in the case of BFL. Bitcoin is going to generate 3600 coins per day for many, many years to come. That hasn't escaped the notice of many people who can, and are, taking that seriously. |
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July 08, 2013, 09:19:21 PM |
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Bitcoin is going to generate 3600 coins per day for many, many years to come. That hasn't escaped the notice of many people who can, and are, taking that seriously.
If by "many, many years" you mean less than 4, then we are in agreement  . |
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July 08, 2013, 09:24:25 PM |
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How else would the lead times they are claiming be possible? There is no way they are designing a full chip. It really makes me wonder how they are getting these numbers they are claiming though?
I don't know if they are using eASIC for this project, not enough info has come out yet. It would be interesting to know. To my knowledge this has been confirmed previously, and it is not eASIC. |
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Loredo
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July 08, 2013, 09:38:27 PM |
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Bitcoin is going to generate 3600 coins per day for many, many years to come. If by "many, many years" you mean less than 4, then we are in agreement . Well, if you think BTC is only going to be around for four more years, then let's figure out a way to really short these things, and just be done with it.  Oh, wait: selling mining equipment is a bear bet on bitcoin after all, isn't it? |
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Loredo
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July 08, 2013, 09:41:56 PM |
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To my knowledge this has been confirmed previously, and it is not eASIC.
Honestly, I don't know the noise-free information on that; I do have recollection of that being denied or asserted to be not feasible. Still, there's a lot more that makes sense to me on that path, and there is a known relationship between OrSoC and eASIC. I really don't know. |
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July 08, 2013, 09:47:59 PM |
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Bitcoin is going to generate 3600 coins per day for many, many years to come. If by "many, many years" you mean less than 4, then we are in agreement . Well, if you think BTC is only going to be around for four more years, then let's figure out a way to really short these things, and just be done with it. Oh, wait: selling mining equipment is a bear bet on bitcoin after all, isn't it? every 4 years reward for every block is halved. |
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July 08, 2013, 10:42:53 PM |
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i asked if any new updates were coming to the website news section, emilia says they will be posting more technical info about the devices "shortly". heres hoping! i check the damn site every hour. lol
IT IS SUNDAY!! They dont work at sunday^^ (European Time) I would not be surprised if they do currently, they'd been burning the candle at both ends when I saw them, which is why I found BTCman/BTCGarden's comment of trashing KnC and European engineers as lazy in his Chinese thread for his forthcoming ASIC particularly amusing... |
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July 08, 2013, 10:46:01 PM |
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Great news. I need some sexy pics of the ASIC hardware soon. (hopefully troll safe text)
a picture of the casing would blow my mind. i would be so happy just to see what it looks like. i heard from the open day that its going to be more like a "cage" so air can pass through and fingers wont get burned. Casing will be practical and functional, but nothing aesthetic orientated. The hosting casing will be more the 19 inch server form factor to fit within data centres. I'm keen to see DIY case mods from buyers being creative and funky. That goes for all DIY projects as well. We certain,y have some creative members on this forum, looking forward to seeing some show pieces in rig design... |
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July 08, 2013, 10:48:00 PM |
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Bitcoin is going to generate 3600 coins per day for many, many years to come. If by "many, many years" you mean less than 4, then we are in agreement . Well, if you think BTC is only going to be around for four more years, then let's figure out a way to really short these things, and just be done with it. Oh, wait: selling mining equipment is a bear bet on bitcoin after all, isn't it? every 4 years reward for every block is halved. Yup; 1,800 -> 900 -> 450 etc. |
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ASIC-K
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July 08, 2013, 10:49:33 PM |
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Great news. I need some sexy pics of the ASIC hardware soon. (hopefully troll safe text)
a picture of the casing would blow my mind. i would be so happy just to see what it looks like. i heard from the open day that its going to be more like a "cage" so air can pass through and fingers wont get burned. Casing will be practical and functional, but nothing aesthetic orientated. The hosting casing will be more the 19 inch server form factor to fit within data centres. I'm keen to see DIY case mods from buyers being creative and funky. That goes for all DIY projects as well. We certain,y have some creative members on this forum, looking forward to seeing some show pieces in rig design... have you had any contact with them in the last little while? im really jonesing for another update. june 26th seems so long ago now! i wish i could have gone to the open day, would love to meet them and get a better sense of the company. really hoping they are sandbagging us! |
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July 08, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
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To my knowledge this has been confirmed previously, and it is not eASIC.
Honestly, I don't know the noise-free information on that; I do have recollection of that being denied or asserted to be not feasible. Still, there's a lot more that makes sense to me on that path, and there is a known relationship between OrSoC and eASIC. I really don't know. Post 82 "ChipGeek's" Question #1 of the openday report: 1) "Is your ASIC design a hardcopy of the existing FPGA design or is it a semi-custom standard cell design? (They've said "standard cell" before but other information makes it look like hardcopy.)" Marcus: "Ah no it's definitely a standard cell, we've done hardcopies before like this, yes and structured ASIC, yes and gate array ASICs, but this specific design is standard cell ASIC 28nm." Just for kicks...This is my favorite post: "Me: So that there was going to be my next so where are the weak links in the chain basically? Marcus None (laughs) Me: So...your, your that confident? Marcus: Yes (General laughing) Marcus: Yes, yes, absolutely... Sam: We have tested absolutely everything. We are over-cooling it, we are over powering it; 1000w Marcus interupting: Oh yeah, we have margins on each. Sam: We have margins on margins. Marcus: we have margins and margins on margins just to make sure that we are reducing the risk throughout the whole cell. I mean we have redesigned the RTL code for the ASIC in a way so that we make it easier for the backend guys to do the backend to reduce risk. Andreas: The devices have to run 24/7 as well. So we have to be confident that when people put the device on the shelf, can run it not for only one day, but hopefully a year down the line. Sam: In Dubai, in an apartment, without the air-con on! Andreas: We give them something that is maximum of everything it might work for a while, but then it might break because it was too hot, so we've taken a lot of margins." |
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