Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[bronan]

I do not give a damn
I want them now, NOW i say

[demonmaestro]

and i am not denying any of that. We do not know there true manafacturing process. So It may be possible that they will get there miners out soon. QUIT compairing them to BFL. Once october 1st comes then bitch but till then chill.

[xstr8guy]

Good ol' Customs Courier Service...
http://customcritical.fedex.com/us/services/air-expedite/courier.shtml

and? packages are not held by delivery company - they are held by customs officers. and once It will be stuck for any reason, it can be hold for long weeks.

All of the major delivery services have ways to expedite the Customs process.  I'm pretty sure companies like DHL even have Customs officials right in their larger facilities to quickly process critical items.

Find something else to worry about please.

[Puppet]

QUIT compairing them to BFL.

The comparison is quite valid. Both companies face(d) the exact same challenge of building and shipping a working miner around their first bitcoin asic.
KNC may or may not prove to be far more capable than BFL, but the challenges and risks are the same.

Even Bitfury, which is widely acknowledged to have executed superbly, arguably the shining example of bitcoin asic manufacturers, had their first assembled asic running test code in early june and took almost 2 months before they were able to ship.

Speaking of bitfury, they actually took a plane to taiwan to pick up the chips in person. Really, for the price of a ticket thats a no brainer.

[kano]

...
So either its that, and you get screwed by difficulty,  or you believe most or all of them are exaggerating/lying, in which case, chances are your rig wont arrive in time either.
You are screwed either way, unless you get lucky enough that your miner does ship roughly on time, and almost none of the others. Good luck with that.

Two other ways to do OK:
Be on the hardware development team

or
Be a well known miner dev
Then you usually end up waiting less than most people so you can get things working for when people get the hardware.
We don't get too many "Thanks for writing cgminer - fuck you - ha ha" like KnC have done
The last time that happened was ... ages ago ... Enterpoint.

Edit: oh funny I forgot - the last time was actually Avalon So twice

Didn't Bitfury slip you the shaft too

Nope, no cgminer on BitFury ... yet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg3171260#msg3171260

[dwdoc]

QUIT compairing them to BFL.

The comparison is quite valid. Both companies face(d) the exact same challenge of building and shipping a working miner around their first bitcoin asic.
KNC may or may not prove to be far more capable than BFL, but the challenges and risks are the same.

Even Bitfury, which is widely acknowledged to have executed superbly, arguably the shining example of bitcoin asic manufacturers, had their first assembled asic running test code in early june and took almost 2 months before they were able to ship.

Speaking of bitfury, they actually took a plane to taiwan to pick up the chips in person. Really, for the price of a ticket thats a no brainer.

Keep in mind that Bitfury's first announced distributor Metabank (if you think of Bitfury as Orsoc and Metabank as KnCminer) is having all sorts of assembly problems:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226846.msg3171576#msg3171576

[naRky]

chill out and wait for jupiter

[dropt]

Even Bitfury, which is widely acknowledged to have executed superbly, arguably the shining example of bitcoin asic manufacturers, had their first assembled asic running test code in early june and took almost 2 months before they were able to ship.

IIRC Bitsyncom stated that it took ~two months to deploy their first miner after receiving packaged chips as well.

[xstr8guy]

...
So either its that, and you get screwed by difficulty,  or you believe most or all of them are exaggerating/lying, in which case, chances are your rig wont arrive in time either.
You are screwed either way, unless you get lucky enough that your miner does ship roughly on time, and almost none of the others. Good luck with that.

Two other ways to do OK:
Be on the hardware development team

or
Be a well known miner dev
Then you usually end up waiting less than most people so you can get things working for when people get the hardware.
We don't get too many "Thanks for writing cgminer - fuck you - ha ha" like KnC have done
The last time that happened was ... ages ago ... Enterpoint.

Edit: oh funny I forgot - the last time was actually Avalon So twice

Didn't Bitfury slip you the shaft too

Nope, no cgminer on BitFury ... yet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg3171260#msg3171260

No, I meant that the screwed you over by using your code but not shipping you a sample to work with.

[Meizirkki]

Even Bitfury, which is widely acknowledged to have executed superbly, arguably the shining example of bitcoin asic manufacturers, had their first assembled asic running test code in early june and took almost 2 months before they were able to ship.

IIRC Bitsyncom stated that it took ~two months to deploy their first miner after receiving packaged chips as well.

Bitfury and Bitsyncom both took the sane approach of realizing the rest of the hardware only after the chip's performance was well known. KnC is going the BFL road of having all the other hardware done and ready for the untested chips. While the above may sound provocative, it's clear that KnC has very realistic expectations for their chips and could just to pull it off.

[xstr8guy]

chill out and wait for jupiter

Great PSU!  I have an 860 running my Blades and another for my Bitfury rig (and an 860i and 1200i in 2 of my PCs)  I think you could have saved a few bucks though and just bought the 860 (without the "i" at the end).  Isn't the only difference is that 860i has the CorsairLink module?

[Xialla]

Isn't the only difference is that 860i has the CorsairLink module?

yep, it is.

[naRky]

chill out and wait for jupiter

Great PSU!  I have an 860 running my Blades and another for my Bitfury rig (and an 860i and 1200i in 2 of my PCs)  I think you could have saved a few bucks though and just bought the 860 (without the "i" at the end).  Isn't the only difference is that 860i has the CorsairLink module?

I know, but the 860 was not in stock and waiting time was within 3 weeks. But it was great price 150EUR for 860i.

[xstr8guy]

chill out and wait for jupiter

Great PSU!  I have an 860 running my Blades and another for my Bitfury rig (and an 860i and 1200i in 2 of my PCs)  I think you could have saved a few bucks though and just bought the 860 (without the "i" at the end).  Isn't the only difference is that 860i has the CorsairLink module?

I know, but the 860 was not in stock and waiting time was within 3 weeks. But it was great price 150EUR for 860i.

The Corsair AX PSUs seem to be super efficient.  Even when it's running 6 Blades it generates virtually no heat.  I run the fan in Hybrid Mode and I've only seen it spinning once this week.  But since I just got a Backplane for the Blades, I bought one of those crappy HP server PSUs so it will connect directly to the backplane.  But that frees-up that 860 for my KnC when it comes... although it's only a Mercury and it will be overkill, lol.

[CryptoTank]

KnC made a chip news announcement today:

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/news-and-anouncments/2233-chip-news

[kano]

KnC made a chip news announcement today:

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/news-and-anouncments/2233-chip-news

2 pages back - it's already been posted here twice ...

[glungnahund]

KnC made a chip news announcement today:

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/news-and-anouncments/2233-chip-news

Thanks for posting  ... otherwise I´d have missed it ;-)

[blastbob]

Anyone got the link to the chip news?

[vesperwillow]

BTW,  getting these chips from Taiwan or wherever they are being cut and packaged to Sweden in under a week is also anything but a given. Granted, I have no experience with Swedish customs, but in most countries that can take several weeks. Unless as someone suggested, you rent a plane or go pick up those chips in person.

Customs isn't that bad. I've received pallets of stuff through customs before and the delay was maybe a couple of hours. Lots of factors go into if something will be held. Not every package is held, not every pallet or container is held. It's almost random to be honest, especially the ports in the states. Unless someone is bribed to target these shipments, I wouldn't worry about weeks of delays being a great likelihood.

What matters most next few months is not the capacity shipped but the capacity deployed. Even if KNC ships 5K boxes to right now, expect for them to take weeks to get fully deployed and there will be constant outages (residential internet went down, power lost at the basement, etc)

Weeks to be deployed? Constant outtages? Not everyone is using string and a cup for internet, or solar panels and mice in a wheel for electricity, or curious george to deliver things.

Regarding the chips needing assembly before being put in the system, their news posting covers that--they're being put into SoC packaging before arriving at KNC's doorstep, where they will simply be dropped into the PCB.

Like others have said, people's fears are running amok. If they're late, they're late, and if they're not they're not. Life goes on, the Sun will likely come up the next day.

[AussieHash]

Keep in mind that Bitfury's first announced distributor Metabank (if you think of Bitfury as Orsoc and Metabank as KnCminer) is having all sorts of assembly problems:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226846.msg3171576#msg3171576

Yikes. Those things are made if bendy plastic, the motherboards "attached" with cardboard, and the caps squished up against the heat sinks.