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[Phil_S]

fake news, tho. original simpsons episode says "apocalypse meow" not "corona virus":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBwZWDYPpqI

[psycodad]

[snippage ensues]
I still own a pair of (working) Compaq 'sewing machine' 8088-based PC clones. DOS on floppy, store to floppy. Woo-hoo!

I keep an 8 inch floppy disk at my desk, beside my 5 pound IBM Model M keyboard. Winderrs keys are for losers! The Model M is a daily driver, the 8 inch floppy is just a momento.

yeah i have an old IBM AT keyboard. old IBM keyboards were the standard (aside from its Selectric typewriter) and still kick ass. prolly weights more than some entire computer setups now.

The true BofH like clickety-clickety when "cleaning up" annoying users home directories can only be made with these. Loved them but my vivid temperament in younger years didn't let me use a keyboard for more than a few weeks...

[_javi_]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

close, but no prize

That flu came from Japan, not China.
And the Kent Brockman title said "Osaka Flu", not Coronavirus

btw, I love the Simpsons, with so many years airing, you will find many coincidences with real life.

[dragonvslinux]

Gap filled!

[Tash]

Meantime in DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO Ebola virus and Bubonic plague

The epidemiological situation of the Ebola virus disease in the provinces of North Kivu and Ituri dated 24 Feb 2020:

Since the start of the epidemic, the cumulative number of cases has been 3444, of which 3310 have been confirmed and 134 are probable. In total, there were 2264 deaths (2130 confirmed and 134 probable) and 1167 winners (people healed, or survivors);
- 453 suspected cases are under investigation;
- No new confirmed cases;
- No new deaths among the confirmed cases, including no community deaths;
- No healed person has left the Ebola treatment centers;
- No health worker is among the new confirmed cases. The cumulative number of confirmed/probable cases among health workers is 167 (approximately 5% of all confirmed/probable cases), including 41 deaths.

Bubonic plague investigation
--------------------------------------
On 22 Feb 2020, the Aungba Health Zone chief medical doctor was alerted that suspect bubonic plague cases were reported in the Ugunzu-Makangi village of the Aterlembe health area, Djugu territory, Ituri Province, DR Congo. Murine epizootics were also mentioned in the Makangi village. On 23 Feb 2020, the chief medical doctor of the Aungba health Zone  was appointed to visit the health center of Aterlembe for 2 days to investigate suspect bubonic plague cases. The head doctor Dr Delphonse Unen Ali reported on the same day (23 Feb 2020) on the outbreak. The nurse of the Aterlembe health center notified 2 suspected cases of bubonic plague. He reported that the index cases were 2 family members who presented with fever, headache, and painful buboes on 22 Feb 2020 at 2 health centers. After self-medicating for 6 days (16-22 Feb 2020), they consulted as ambulatory patients the Kpese health post and then the Yuku health center, both in the Aru health zone. A 2-year-old boy died on 21 Feb 2020 with symptoms consistent with that of bubonic plague (fever, painful buboes), the 2nd patient -- the 12 year old brother of the co-primary case -- tested positive for plague with the RDT [rapid diagnostic test] and is recovering. He presented with fever, painful buboes, and headaches. So far 16 contacts have been traced and treated with doxycycline, 27 households were dusted.

Lets hope they done a good job.

During a typical year in the United States, 30,000 to 50,000 persons die as a result of the flu. Mortality rate of 5-10%
https://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hsc-scen-3_flu-pandemic-deaths.htm

[aesma]

Anyone here from the northern Italy? Or China? South Korea? Or Japan, Singapor? I know all of them have the new technology which is called 5 G. Can this really help to prevent virus. That's what they say that it can help to combat the virus.

Link or it didn't happen.
Don't tell me you're still watching news programming on a TV set?

Here are the news . .China tackles epidemic with 5G, AI technology
https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/china-tackles-epidemic-with-5g-ai-technology/    China's ambitious 5G push heading into slow lane due to coronavirus disruptions     https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20F0YF               ....Wuhan hospitals use 5G-powered robots for patient guiding, disinfection  
 https://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=1812147     5G technology powerful weapon in China’s fight against epidemic  http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0217/c98649-9658567.html    

I can't say I'm following the 5G thing too closely (even though I'm working in a related field, and my company owns a telco...) but so far anything I've seen labeled "5G" can be done with 4G just fine.

In fact my company has had telepresence robots for years.

I saw a voice operated elevator in China being demonstrated as something that is helping fight the epidemic. I'm sure it could, if it was widespread, but of course we might be talking about 1 elevator that has the tech for every million elevators without...

[aesma]

Meantime in DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO Ebola virus and Bubonic plague

The epidemiological situation of the Ebola virus disease in the provinces of North Kivu and Ituri dated 24 Feb 2020:

Since the start of the epidemic, the cumulative number of cases has been 3444, of which 3310 have been confirmed and 134 are probable. In total, there were 2264 deaths (2130 confirmed and 134 probable) and 1167 winners (people healed, or survivors);
- 453 suspected cases are under investigation;
- No new confirmed cases;
- No new deaths among the confirmed cases, including no community deaths;
- No healed person has left the Ebola treatment centers;
- No health worker is among the new confirmed cases. The cumulative number of confirmed/probable cases among health workers is 167 (approximately 5% of all confirmed/probable cases), including 41 deaths.

Bubonic plague investigation
--------------------------------------
On 22 Feb 2020, the Aungba Health Zone chief medical doctor was alerted that suspect bubonic plague cases were reported in the Ugunzu-Makangi village of the Aterlembe health area, Djugu territory, Ituri Province, DR Congo. Murine epizootics were also mentioned in the Makangi village. On 23 Feb 2020, the chief medical doctor of the Aungba health Zone  was appointed to visit the health center of Aterlembe for 2 days to investigate suspect bubonic plague cases. The head doctor Dr Delphonse Unen Ali reported on the same day (23 Feb 2020) on the outbreak. The nurse of the Aterlembe health center notified 2 suspected cases of bubonic plague. He reported that the index cases were 2 family members who presented with fever, headache, and painful buboes on 22 Feb 2020 at 2 health centers. After self-medicating for 6 days (16-22 Feb 2020), they consulted as ambulatory patients the Kpese health post and then the Yuku health center, both in the Aru health zone. A 2-year-old boy died on 21 Feb 2020 with symptoms consistent with that of bubonic plague (fever, painful buboes), the 2nd patient -- the 12 year old brother of the co-primary case -- tested positive for plague with the RDT [rapid diagnostic test] and is recovering. He presented with fever, painful buboes, and headaches. So far 16 contacts have been traced and treated with doxycycline, 27 households were dusted.

And during a typical year in the United States, 30,000 to 50,000 persons die as a result of the flu. Mortality rate of 5-10%
https://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hsc-scen-3_flu-pandemic-deaths.htm

Careful, the flu kills much less than this, around 0,2% of infected people. 5-10% of people HOSPITALIZED end up dying.

Note that this "HOSPITALIZED" thing is significant, because it means once you are at a point where you need it, you better hope there is a good hospital available, unlike in Africa or Iran, or that 5-10% number doubles or triples.

[lightfoot]

is NextDNS any better?

Part of the problem is (in the US) *any* cloud service data can be demanded at any time without a warrant. This to me is annoying, but welcome to the warm delight that is the PATRIOT act. At least if you run your own DNS they will either have to hack it (pain to do), get a warrant (waah) or show up at your house with a battering ram.

Mileage may vary.

[aesma]

So my stock portfolio is going down. Most of it I can't do anything about it (company stock, must keep 5 years before selling, free stock as a compensation).

But my BTC portfolio is also going down !

Not that bad (for either) but still, I would have expected an inverse correlation, or at least BTC hodling better.

Gold is going up in the meantime, I know someone is gloating...

It helps to think in 5 year bricks.

Yeah but I planned to spend most of my cash and sell my stock this year to buy a house (keeping the BTC), now I might need to sell some BTC, not ideal.

With how things are accelerating with the virus, do you think it could be "over" in a way quicker than first thought, basically things going back to this being a "bad flu year" but no more going crazy with quarantines, closing plants, closing schools, stopping tournaments, things that are proving ineffective anyway, aside from hurting the economy ?

No. There is no stopping this thing. Until we have a working, reliable, cheap cure, we are dealing with the Big One.

I didn't mean stopping it, I meant the opposite, stopping trying to stop it.

[lightfoot]

Still fail to see how that's worse than current default DNS hijacking by ISPs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hijacking#Manipulation_by_ISPs

Centralized. FBI just goes to one source (Cloudflare) for all their shopping needs.

Also remember the golden dot.com rule: If you're not paying for the product, you are the product. CF isn't doing this for the love coming from their warm hearts.

[lightfoot]

So my stock portfolio is going down. Most of it I can't do anything about it (company stock, must keep 5 years before selling, free stock as a compensation).

But my BTC portfolio is also going down !

Not that bad (for either) but still, I would have expected an inverse correlation, or at least BTC hodling better.

Gold is going up in the meantime, I know someone is gloating...

Welcome to 2008. I remember when Gold, stocks, and just about everything was going down. It was a fucked up time. And here we go again.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Good point.

Bitcoin has been UNCORRELATED to other asset classes.

If stocks drop, this does not mean Bitcoin has to pump. If gold prices climb, this does not mean Bitcoin will rise with it everytime.

Not negative or positive. UNcorrelated.

Narratives will come & go.

Source: https://twitter.com/VentureCoinist/status/1232671637130088449

[lightfoot]

You will know it's bad (and this chart is accurate) when you hear Republicans suddenly clamoring for "early voting".

[aesma]

So my stock portfolio is going down. Most of it I can't do anything about it (company stock, must keep 5 years before selling, free stock as a compensation).

But my BTC portfolio is also going down !

Not that bad (for either) but still, I would have expected an inverse correlation, or at least BTC hodling better.

Gold is going up in the meantime, I know someone is gloating...

Welcome to 2008. I remember when Gold, stocks, and just about everything was going down. It was a fucked up time. And here we go again.

I guess if it goes really bad and lasts a bit, I might buy the house cheaper (still have a good chunk of cash fortunately, and mortgage rates are crazy low).

[aesma]

I wonder how much lower it is, taking into account some people won't go see the doctor at all.

Typically me, I usually beat any illness with a good night of sleep/some shivers under a blanket.

[lightfoot]

I guess if it goes really bad and lasts a bit, I might buy the house cheaper (still have a good chunk of cash fortunately, and mortgage rates are crazy low).

Pretty much. What saved me in 2008 was having a small metal box with some cheap shit silver coins, a couple of gold coins, and probably a K in cash. I ran my fingers through it and pretended to be a pirate. Thus I felt I had wealth and didn't sell my stocks and such.

Always have something you can draw down in a crisis so you don't have to panic sell everything. Looks like gold at the moment is holding at 1700 ish, so that's not too bad of a deal if you need some quick cash. Now, can the virus live on gold coins?

[Globb0]

Can anyone confirm in Italy there was a news people infected with a virus and they were not in any contact with other infected people?

Of course they were in contact in some way. They just didn't know it. Maybe they use the door knob on the same bathroom then touched their face. This thing is contagious, possible R0 of 6, most in a months time few people are going to know where they caught it.

How do you know that? What if they didn't have any contacts with nobody?

What? a virus does not just spontaneously create itself or teleport from one location to another. I know that doesn't happen because science.

it could be using 5G

[bkbirge]

BTF....oh nevermind.

[bitebits]

Corona FUD, China FUD, long term it makes no difference. Just a blip on the radar. It is cliché but really just buy some if you can.

The way I see current events:

[fragout]

Meantime in DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO Ebola virus and Bubonic plague

The epidemiological situation of the Ebola virus disease in the provinces of North Kivu and Ituri dated 24 Feb 2020:

Since the start of the epidemic, the cumulative number of cases has been 3444, of which 3310 have been confirmed and 134 are probable. In total, there were 2264 deaths (2130 confirmed and 134 probable) and 1167 winners (people healed, or survivors);
- 453 suspected cases are under investigation;
- No new confirmed cases;
- No new deaths among the confirmed cases, including no community deaths;
- No healed person has left the Ebola treatment centers;
- No health worker is among the new confirmed cases. The cumulative number of confirmed/probable cases among health workers is 167 (approximately 5% of all confirmed/probable cases), including 41 deaths.

Bubonic plague investigation
--------------------------------------
On 22 Feb 2020, the Aungba Health Zone chief medical doctor was alerted that suspect bubonic plague cases were reported in the Ugunzu-Makangi village of the Aterlembe health area, Djugu territory, Ituri Province, DR Congo. Murine epizootics were also mentioned in the Makangi village. On 23 Feb 2020, the chief medical doctor of the Aungba health Zone  was appointed to visit the health center of Aterlembe for 2 days to investigate suspect bubonic plague cases. The head doctor Dr Delphonse Unen Ali reported on the same day (23 Feb 2020) on the outbreak. The nurse of the Aterlembe health center notified 2 suspected cases of bubonic plague. He reported that the index cases were 2 family members who presented with fever, headache, and painful buboes on 22 Feb 2020 at 2 health centers. After self-medicating for 6 days (16-22 Feb 2020), they consulted as ambulatory patients the Kpese health post and then the Yuku health center, both in the Aru health zone. A 2-year-old boy died on 21 Feb 2020 with symptoms consistent with that of bubonic plague (fever, painful buboes), the 2nd patient -- the 12 year old brother of the co-primary case -- tested positive for plague with the RDT [rapid diagnostic test] and is recovering. He presented with fever, painful buboes, and headaches. So far 16 contacts have been traced and treated with doxycycline, 27 households were dusted.

Lets hope they done a good job.

During a typical year in the United States, 30,000 to 50,000 persons die as a result of the flu. Mortality rate of 5-10%
https://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hsc-scen-3_flu-pandemic-deaths.htm

During a typical year in the United States, 30,000 to 50,000 persons die as a result of influenza viral infection. Frequently cited numbers are 20,000 deaths each year, and 37,000 annual deaths. About 5-10% of hospitalizations for influenza lead to fatal outcome in adults.