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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 4 (2.8%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (0.7%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (1.4%)
$85K to $90K - 10 (7%)
$90K to $95K - 15 (10.6%)
$95K to $100K - 28 (19.7%)
>$100K - 82 (57.7%)
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March 01, 2020, 10:24:03 PM

Its happening Gents.  Smiley Prepare for more money printing than ever before. Coronavirus=Bullish

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/while-everyone-waits-powell-heres-what-wall-street-thinks-will-happen-next

"Finally, courtesy of Macrohive's George Concalves, here is a twitter thread describing where the Fed finds itself and what its options are:

Many investors are expecting Fed (coordinated or not) to do something soon (perhaps before futures open). There has been a lot of debate that CB easing can't resolve health issues, but they can help sentiment. Here's what may happen next.

Backdrop1: Long gone is the façade the Fed will ignore sliding financial conditions (regardless of driver). Its not much, but the Fed has some flexibility on rate policy side but more importantly can come up w/some creative solutions in its use of the powers granted under 13 (3)

Backdrop2: One of the reasons why the Fed needs to be preemptive is because some of its crisis fighting abilities have been damped post GFC due to Federal Reserve Act section 13(3) revisions per DFA. That said, from what I understand they could still launch ABC facilities.

Backdrop3: In the early days of GFC the Fed resorted to tweaks versus all out easing measures or launching new facilities. In August 2007 it cut the discount rate and not the FF rate and in Jan-2008 did a 75 bp intra-meeting ease (followed by another 50bp at the meeting).

Old School Fed: I found this Min-Fed posting (see tinyurl.com/rgyeklr) as a good historical review of potential Fed crisis fighting usage of section 13(3), also see link at the end “Lender of more than last resort” for how the discount window evolved, more later…

Old Fed playbook1: In the '02 Bernanke report on deflation (see tinyurl.com/qmyto8g) he provides a laundry list of what they can do to stimulate the economy/markets. We have pretty much done all of them except for buying foreign bonds. Meanwhile Fed can buy munis too.

Old Fed playbook2: Since September 2019 the Fed has been providing liquidity with TOMO repo operations and TRM bill purchases (ie notQE). At a minimum the Fed will be inclined to keep these programs for a while longer (and abort tapering repo) while introducing new tools.

New Fed playbook1: In my view there is a risk of an intra-mtg ease (as early as today vs allowing mkts to freefall). First off this is a public health concern, but COVID disruptions run the risk of hitting biz CF/working capital. The Fed can encourage discount window use.

New Fed playbook2: Given JPM & Quarles want to break the DW stigma (see tinyurl.com/qqpbkzx) Fed could announce it reduces the DW rate to 25bp or even 0 over FF (vs 50) for large banks, maybe further for smaller banks if funds are used to help industries hit by COVID

New Fed playbook3: 17 days is a long time to wait for levered investors, so expect FF rate to come down 50bps too (would make DW rate cut be 75-100bp). The Fed could gauge how these measure work as well as monitor COVID into 3/18 where it could always do more if needed.

DEFCON1: Its too early to forecast COVID's eco-impact and if there is multiple waves. But Fed is on track to move to DEFCON1 in table (see tinyurl.com/sq65skd) if so they will end up with new ABCs, ZIRP (with tiering) eventual YCC, & credit easing (MBS, CP, & munis)."
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March 01, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
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I still think BTC could be around 10-12K before the halving... but those dreams about $100K any time soon (ie in 1-2 years) still look to me to me just like that: Dreams.

Hope they do realise some day though.

$100k might be not possible in 1-2 years, but touching $50,000 at least once by the end of 2021 still looks quite possible to me.

Pish. $50K is the post FOMO blowoff top crash nadir price.
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March 02, 2020, 12:13:57 AM
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I am bored, more than scared, by the news on CoronaVirus.
I am in the middle of a region where this is going hyperbolic.
I have contingency plans for the most relevant persons in case things start rolling South.

I needed something a little bit light hearted.

So this is to let you knwo I wrote a little guide on how to setup a "notification machine" for the forum:
#meritislife: how to be notified on a smartband of merits and mentions

Basically a guide on how to forward Giammangiato's bot notification to a smartband, so to be immediately notified of merits and mentions.

Shall I activate also for #Coronavirus twitter handle? Constant Notification nightmare?
 
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March 02, 2020, 12:18:55 AM

How many here are into stocks anyway? I never had the means pre-bitcoin but also no interest, especially now.

max satoshi keiser?  Grin Cool Kiss

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March 02, 2020, 12:33:48 AM

I still think BTC could be around 10-12K before the halving... but those dreams about $100K any time soon (ie in 1-2 years) still look to me to me just like that: Dreams.

Hope they do realise some day though.

So what is your prediction? 10-12K at the time of halving what about 2021-2022? Sideways?  Grin

No, it could reasonably be $50K. Maybe more, maybe less. I just say that $100K is probably too much to consider as a reasonable probability. Again, not impossible, depending if Bitcoin is able to regain something similar to 2017 FOMO, but even if that were the case I would not take $100K for granted.

In fact I would prefer a more organic and sustainable $50K than a "fomo" peak to $100K.
I would prefer a real growth to $20k lol  Cheesy
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March 02, 2020, 01:01:43 AM

Too far behind to even try to catch up, but I have a little something for you that might explain the rapid spread in Iran. Apparently it's a thing in Iran to lick sacred places and the government aren't shutting them down.
Video: https://twitter.com/i/status/1233783635007954949
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March 02, 2020, 01:14:43 AM

I can think of a couple sacred places I'd like to lick.
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March 02, 2020, 01:20:17 AM

I still think BTC could be around 10-12K before the halving... but those dreams about $100K any time soon (ie in 1-2 years) still look to me to me just like that: Dreams.

Hope they do realise some day though.

So what is your prediction? 10-12K at the time of halving what about 2021-2022? Sideways?  Grin

No, it could reasonably be $50K. Maybe more, maybe less. I just say that $100K is probably too much to consider as a reasonable probability. Again, not impossible, depending if Bitcoin is able to regain something similar to 2017 FOMO, but even if that were the case I would not take $100K for granted.

In fact I would prefer a more organic and sustainable $50K than a "fomo" peak to $100K.
I would prefer a real growth to $20k lol  Cheesy
I hope BTC will growth again $10k because I buy at BTC at $10200.
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March 02, 2020, 01:31:51 AM

I can think of a couple sacred places I'd like to lick.

I went to an alleyway on the outskirts of Rome and paid off a member of the Swiss Guard for a ten minute play with this.



I could taste some thrush, a hint of swarfega and a whole lot of crystal meth so I'm pretty goddamn confident it was pulled straight off the pope in his sleep.
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I still think BTC could be around 10-12K before the halving... but those dreams about $100K any time soon (ie in 1-2 years) still look to me to me just like that: Dreams.

Hope they do realise some day though.

$100k might be not possible in 1-2 years, but touching $50,000 at least once by the end of 2021 still looks quite possible to me.

Pish. $50K is the post FOMO blowoff top crash nadir price.

Yes, our last low was approx 2.69x prior high (3122 vs 1160).
Last high was 19,780, hence 2.69x of it is 53K, give or take.
If our prior trend would hold, we would decline about 81% from the putative ATH high to 53K making 278K an assumed predicted high (on a spike), which also makes sense in comparison with the 100K median-state S2F prediction.
The last time median price predicted by S2F was approx 6.7K, we went 2.95x of this at the peak...therefore, 2.95x 100k median is 295K, which almost matches the 278k number derived by other means (295 vs 278).

TL;DR IMHO, any price between 200K-300K is possible at the next peak and 50K is too low.
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March 02, 2020, 02:33:57 AM

100k=minimum. 400k=aspiration.
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March 02, 2020, 02:39:45 AM

Definitely an inverse relation of price action to WO posts.

Not too hard to keep up the last few days.

Pull it together boys, this too shall pass, do not become weak hands.

You know who I'm looking at. Wink


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March 02, 2020, 02:48:01 AM

100k=minimum. 400k=aspiration.

Aspiration is Bitcoin becoming the one and only world currency. This will create a truly free market that will push humanity into the future without corrupt governments being able to push the people down into the ground with overblown taxes and fake inflations. It is about time for people to take the power back from dictators and incompetent rulers of their countries.

And Blockchain will make everything nice and transparent. Proof>Trust.
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March 02, 2020, 03:36:14 AM
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Interesting.

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Despite $BTC's recent price drop, its hashrate has hit ATH and continues to climb.

#Bitcoin's impending halving is getting closer each day, how do you expect price to react?

Read about Bitcoin & its diversification properties in portfolio management. Flecha hacia abajo
https://research.binance.com/analysis/bitcoin-diversification-benefits



Source: https://twitter.com/BinanceResearch/status/1234311320620584960
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100k=minimum. 400k=aspiration.

Aspiration is Bitcoin becoming the one and only world currency. This will create a truly free market that will push humanity into the future without corrupt governments being able to push the people down into the ground with overblown taxes and fake inflations. It is about time for people to take the power back from dictators and incompetent rulers of their countries.

And Blockchain will make everything nice and transparent. Proof>Trust.

Yes agree that we will eventually become the Global Reserve Currency. Im referring to the top of the next bubble as 100k-400k. We will have more Bull and Bear markets before we become the reserve currency.
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Coronavirus update:

- There are currently 89,068 confirmed cases worldwide, including 3,045 fatalities.

- First cases in Dominican Republic, Czech Republic and Ireland.

- First coronavirus case confirmed in New York City. Washington state reports 4 new cases including 1 new death, in King County. 2 new cases confirmed in California.

- Berlin reports first case.

- Italy reports 42% jump in cases overnight to nearly 1,700

- Indonesia reports first cases of Covid-19.

- New coronavirus cases jump sharply around the globe many infected countries reporting more cases.

- MotoGP of Qatar has been canceled due to coronavirus.

- Turkish Airlines cancels all Italy flights.

- France shuts down Louvre. 30 new cases in France, raising total to 130.

- American Airlines suspending all flights to and from Milan untill 25 April.

- Juventus quarantines U23 squad.

- Armenia closing schools for a week.

- British citizens and some diplomatic staff have been evacuated from the UK's embassy in Tehran.

- Morocco will postpone sports and cultural events.

- Panic buying in supermarkets.




Dramatic drop in levels of air pollution after closing down China's factories.
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March 02, 2020, 05:32:52 AM
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100k=minimum. 400k=aspiration.

Aspiration is Bitcoin becoming the one and only world currency. This will create a truly free market that will push humanity into the future without corrupt governments being able to push the people down into the ground with overblown taxes and fake inflations. It is about time for people to take the power back from dictators and incompetent rulers of their countries.

And Blockchain will make everything nice and transparent. Proof>Trust.

Yes agree that we will eventually become the Global Reserve Currency. Im referring to the top of the next bubble as 100k-400k. We will have more Bull and Bear markets before we become the reserve currency.

One big thing will need to change before it becomes the global reserve currency though. It will have to be declared a currency by most of the world. There is no way it grows to that level as a taxable commodity.

Edit: Other currencies could be backed by bitcoin though.
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March 02, 2020, 06:13:41 AM
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Been thinking about it a bit more. Bitcoin does not produce anything. There is no dependency on any supply chain being functional or not. Dumping your precious bitcoins like a company stock because of a non computer virus makes absolutely no sense. It is an irrational decision unless your purpose is to try an buy them back cheaper, and we all know how that worked out over the last 10+ years for Joe Average.

The problem is that a fair amount of BTC is owned or at least manipulated by Wall Street and large institutions like Bakkt and the CME. Wall Street views bitcoin has an extremely high risk asset, meaning it is the first asset to get sold off whenever there is a panic of sorts. Only after Wall Street has minimized its involvement with BTC and regular folks feel comfortable with their amount of fiat money will BTC's price begin to stabilize.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that's what I believe.


And that is where sellers of any size are wrong.

First volatility != risk. Retail investors often act emotional (the human monkey brain has a hard time dealing with ‘losing’) but institutions/algorithms know better. Bitcoin until today is volatile in only one direction: up. It is therefore more likely institutions involved in Bitcoin are selling to compensate for their recent losses in stocks, which is probably why gold went down as well after its multi year high: profit taking.

Second Bitcoin is an uncorrelated asset. It does not care about China, the stock market, covid-19, or even bitebits posting in the WO. Selling bitcoins for any other reason than permanently getting out is stupidity and you will get burnt, whether you are Wall Street or Joe Average.

The <=2015 days when Bitcoin actually was a risky investment are long gone. To those who did I salute you.
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March 02, 2020, 06:20:34 AM
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IF Bitcoin would ever become a recognised reserve currency a lot of years will be needed and a LOT of obstacles would need to be overcome. It is true a long way has already already come, but an even longer remains. So any price predictions that depend on that will still have to wait a good amount of years to materialise. Without that, those price predictions of $400K for the next few years seem bonkers to me, and even a $100K price target in 2-3 years it's still no more than a (plausible) dream.

That being said, I really, really, hope to be proved wrong and make me (incredibly) happy Smiley

On other news, it looks like $8.5K keeps holding. This is fine.

On yet another news:

- Today the figure of 7000 Bitcoin ATM's worldwide will be reached. It has grown from 6326 at 1 jan 2020. That is an average of 337 new installations for each of the first two months of the year. At this current rate it would reach the nice round number of 10000 before EOY. This is fine, very fine.

- LN nodes keep rising in number albeit slowly with 11624 right now.

For any of the above to exponentially rise, something really disruptive would need to happen, like a major traditional ATM provider adding crypto support or some advances on LN neutrino (or similar) so that it can be smoothly run in smartphones. The first one I see it coming sometime soon, not so sure about the second one since I think for LN usage custodial LN wallets are a more practical way to go.
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