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[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

What he has been doing has been obvious to me (I think) and this supports it.  He has been trying to make "bitcoin" something that the state and the CBs could embrace.

Question: Would you prefer to prohibit any state actor from participating in Bitcoin?

Followup: If answer to above is 'yes', how do you square this with the mutually-exclusive attribute of 'permissionless'?

I differentiate between participation and taking over control, which is what was suggested during a Coingeek conference in which the blights of society were supposed to get sufficient tools to keep doing what they have been in a more efficient manner.
This could also be the issue on which CSW and Roger parted and to some extent why I don't have any hard feelings against him. CSW clearly cares about nothing worth caring about, unlike Roger (anti-establishment).

If Roger hadn't teamed up with CSW and Bitmain (phony hash war) I might've very well been persuaded to at least keep sensible portions of both chains in cold storage.

Roger isn't much better than Craig. He is a fucking opportunist. (one of the most disgusting) He allied with Craig when his actions were benefiting his agenda and he didn't say a word against Craig till the last second before BcashSV and BcashABC were decoupled.

He used or tried to use Craig just like he tried to use Bitcoin. Bitcoin was good when it was benefiting his own agenda but it became super bad when the devs didn't act and do what he proposed.

How is he different than Craig?

Craig is following exactly the same route as Roger except he is too obvious about what he is doing. (lying) Roger is also a two faced sociopath who's going to say whatever lie to get what he wants. (less obvious, but still obvious)

Both of them are disgusting piece of shits but If I had to choose one, I would choose Craig just because he is a fucking clown and unlike him Roger has a slight chance to succeed, which is scary.

Fuck both of them in the end. Btw Bought more BTC today from $5.2k.  

I can't read minds and Roger stated that he was fooled. This could very well be him covering his ass.

But unlike CSW, Roger is still openly against government and central banking. CSW is not. And if there's one thing we know about con-men like CSW it's that they are pretty good at fooling people for short periods of time. And that effect is amplified when a person feels like the world is out against them.

In short, I don't know if Roger is anti-BTC because of he truly believes that BABC is better or because he's strictly an opportunist. In CSW's case it's much more clear.

Or in other words, I'm certain that CSW is an evil little cunt. With Roger I am not certain, so I can't put him in the same boat as CSW. If the evidence changes I will quickly amend my opinion (for better or for worse).

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/1117842010793099265

This almost makes me want to upload my drivers license to shapesh... umm... well... not quite.

Does Shapeshift require KYC now? Doesn't that defeat its purpose? lol

The required reply when anyone tries to tell you any of the following:

1. Bitcoin is going to crash to zero

2. BCH is the real Bitcoin

3. Craig Wright is the real Satoshi

4. X/Y/Z shitcoin will supersede Bitcoin

5. China bans Bitcoin

6. Governments will outlaw Bitcoin

7. Bitcoin mining is unsustainable and consumes too much energy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo

Damn, thanks for the trip down nostalgia lane.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26LDWnM7qe4

6:55

Craig claims that Bitcoin was not created to fix "the system", while Satoshi created Bitcoin as a reaction to the 2008 financial crisis.

His quote: "That's [debt and the debt crisis] not what Bitcoin helps with."

Every other time he opens his mouth he directly contradicts Satoshi.

He fails to understand that once we will use currency that price will keep increasing in time taking debt will be extremely unpopular. There will be also little interest for people to offer debts. 

I don't think that debt will disappear and I don't think debt is inherently a problem. Out of control debt and bailouts at tax payers' expense are the issue. There is and always will be need and use for debt though.

Who will loan something that will gain price in year fro like 10%. Or more?  I mean you will take small loans fro something that will bring you huge profit. But it will not be like there is today when they dont even want to sell you a car unless you take it on loan. Or when countries have for half year of production of debt. If not they looks stupid. Trust me this will stop.

If you think that Bitcoin will perpetually gain 10% per year you're mistaken. And for the time that it does there will be similar downswings. So taking and giving loans at the right times means profit for the party that played it better.
Never mind that people will help others for any number of reasons if they require money in the short term. There are also stablecoins to peg the loans to and there will always be people who hedge some risks in all sorts of stable assets.

[hacker1001101001]

Good to see this notification today morning!



Good effort by a reputed person like CZ in helping community to avoid scam project investments. Kudos to Binance and CZ.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Either Ayre knows something we don't, got conned, or he's preparing to break ties with CSW.



"This industry needs to grow up and Craig proving he is Satoshi is the only way past this Troll attack that is so bad for the industries reputation. He now has a duty to set the record straight for us all. The Trolls all know he is Satoshi hence the fear."

https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1117706922415853569

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Either Ayre knows something we don't, got conned, or he's preparing to break ties with CSW.



"This industry needs to grow up and Craig proving he is Satoshi is the only way past this Troll attack that is so bad for the industries reputation. He now has a duty to set the record straight for us all. The Trolls all know he is Satoshi hence the fear."

https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1117706922415853569

[kenzawak]

Either Ayre knows something we don't, got conned, or he's preparing to break ties with CSW.



"This industry needs to grow up and Craig proving he is Satoshi is the only way past this Troll attack that is so bad for the industries reputation. He now has a duty to set the record straight for us all. The Trolls all know he is Satoshi hence the fear."

https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1117706922415853569

Bluff, nothing more.
Or he's been fooled by CSW.

[fillippone]

I am not sure I understand the goals of libertarians. If they want to build their own country, they have to be able to defend it.  

A small group of 40 - 50 heavily armed people will never do. A decent defense force means a large population and a taxation systems to support it. Gathering a large population is easy, you simply need to gather the world’s refugees and offer them something better.  You might even gain the support of Western governments if you promise to take their unwanted refugee claimants. Israel was invented to house Jewish refugees and the model is replicable.

But all you have done is recreate the existing state system, with taxes. And that doesn’t seem to be the point.

I think their utopistic point is that in a libertarian world, organisations would adopt sound money (say, BTC) instead of FIAT Money (money that can be printed at will to finance any implausible war a government would want to fight), every nation-scale war would be simply too dear to finance, hence the necessity of every national scale defense would be unnecessary.

F. A. Hayek once said: I do not think it is an exaggeration to say history is largely a history of inflation, usually inflations engineered by governments for the gain of governments.

Another important point is the fundamental difference regarding the approach. In the current system the approach is TOP DOWN: you have to pay taxes because the government decided you have to. In the second system you have to pay the “fees” because you exercise the option to join that particular community. The outcome of paying might be similar, but the underlying logic is totally different.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I think Ayre is trying to break ties with CSW. If he keeps calling CSW Satoshi as if it was fact and CSW then loses in court Ayre can then claim that he got conned and walk away unscathed.

[hacker1001101001]

Either Ayre knows something we don't, got conned, or he's preparing to break ties with CSW.



"This industry needs to grow up and Craig proving he is Satoshi is the only way past this Troll attack that is so bad for the industries reputation. He now has a duty to set the record straight for us all. The Trolls all know he is Satoshi hence the fear."

https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1117706922415853569

I don't think the Court politics will work here anyway!

Bitcoin does not work with it, rather it is works upon a decentriziled way and every Bitcoin follower and user knows that its just another big troll. Many people have claimed in past about them being the real Satoshi and have the same vision but this could never be proved even if some legal laws are applied to it.

[JSRAW]

I hope all governments in the Indian subcontinent will follow the same if some sense prevails into their mind, especially my home country. Without any legit regulation

India is suffering from Brain drain because the good amount of the crypto enthusiastic moving out from the Country. Zebpay is a big example.

France will push for the European Union to adopt a regulatory framework on cryptocurrencies similar to the one it brought in last week at a national level, becoming the first major country to do so, French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Monday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-france-cryptocurrencies/france-to-ask-eu-partners-to-adopt-its-cryptocurrency-regulation-idUKKCN1RR1Y0

[Retina]

Satoshi is a very popular and talented person in this world she/he is a created a new world cryptocurrency and kick out the bank system, Everyone is hesitant 

It is a real Shatoshi

[fillippone]

I hope all governments in the Indian subcontinent will follow the same if some sense prevails into their mind, especially my home country. Without any legit regulation

India is suffering from Brain drain because the good amount of the crypto enthusiastic moving out from the Country. Zebpay is a big example.

France will push for the European Union to adopt a regulatory framework on cryptocurrencies similar to the one it brought in last week at a national level, becoming the first major country to do so, French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Monday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-france-cryptocurrencies/france-to-ask-eu-partners-to-adopt-its-cryptocurrency-regulation-idUKKCN1RR1Y0

Did you noticed how many times "tax", "taxes" ,"taxation" or "control" is repeated throughout the article?

[JSRAW]

I hope all governments in the Indian subcontinent will follow the same if some sense prevails into their mind, especially my home country. Without any legit regulation

India is suffering from Brain drain because the good amount of the crypto enthusiastic moving out from the Country. Zebpay is a big example.

France will push for the European Union to adopt a regulatory framework on cryptocurrencies similar to the one it brought in last week at a national level, becoming the first major country to do so, French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Monday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-france-cryptocurrencies/france-to-ask-eu-partners-to-adopt-its-cryptocurrency-regulation-idUKKCN1RR1Y0

Did you noticed how many times "tax", "taxes" ,"taxation" or "control" is repeated throughout the article?

Yeah, its no brainer anyways if stuff gets regulated then the tax would be there and I don't see any wrong in this because I personally don't mind giving taxes on my

profit, already submitted my tax one time "without much regulation in my home country" and would love to pay again if complete regulation comes in play.

[Retina]

Good to see this notification today morning!



Good effort by a reputed person like CZ in helping community to avoid scam project investments. Kudos to Binance and CZ.

it is a development and volume problem binance don't want low movement token/coin this listed in binance, binance want huge volume huge movement token/coin, i thing this token team do not contact regularly binance support or inactive token team.

At Binance, we periodically review each digital asset we list to ensure that it continues to meet the high level of standard we expect. When a coin or token no longer meets this standard, or the industry changes, we conduct a more in-depth review and potentially delist it. We believe this best protects all of our users.

When we conduct these reviews, we consider a variety of factors. Here are some that drive whether we decide to delist a digital asset:


Commitment of team to project
Level and quality of development activity
Network / smart contract stability
Level of public communication
Responsiveness to our periodic due diligence requests
Evidence of unethical / fraudulent conduct
Contribution to a healthy and sustainable crypto ecosystem


Based on our most recent reviews, we have decided to delist and cease trading on all trading pairs for the following coin on 2019/04/22 at 10:00 AM UTC:

[El duderino_]

Good morning WO's

BTC still among us and over 5K will we be able to stay above 5K for a whole year, that would be awesome

also I do enjoy your guys support very much on my merit source application

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132225.msg50619911#msg50619911

I also have had the best of help to get my TEXT in order of one MEMBER of this thread (guess you guys noticed the fine English writing is not straight of my hand)


For those that didn't saw it yet, please leave a comment or take a look @ it and always speak your mind even if its negative... Just be honest with and THX for so far already.

[JSRAW]

Left a honest comment because i don't want to hear you everytime IOY

[hacker1001101001]

it is a development and volume problem binance don't want low movement token/coin this listed in binance, binance want huge volume huge movement token/coin, i thing this token team do not contact regularly binance support or inactive token team.

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This is just an official reason they gave, but anyone who was following the previous trend's behind the BitcoinSV should know the real reason behind its delistment which is it claiming itself as Satoshi's real vision which is not true. Also Craig Wright claiming himself to be real Satoshi was putting lot of damage in the community.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1116563034476957699

It should be delisted from more exchanges in future as most of the claims on the social media follows.

[El duderino_]

Good Morning !

Hi WO,s

This is the presentation format of the monthly statistics, it will be published on the last day of the month.

What data can we see?

- Replies Total of accumulated responses.
- Replies per Month.
- Total views per Month, the F5 key is onfire in the WO thread.
- Number of Pages per Month.
- Bitcoin price of the last day of the month.
- Percent of the price of Bitcoin closed on the last day of the month.
- Nº of Hats, if xhomerx10 sends me the number of hats they will also be part of the statistics.
- In the lower part the number of post and users deleted by the moderator.

I preferred to make a simple design with the necessary data to quickly evaluate the differences of each month and not a statistic with the typical accounting aspect, full of columns and partial with so many percent, I think a little color and some icons make the presentation more fun.

Added a bar graph of +/- Replies / $ BTC

I hope you like it.

The historical as a comment will be inserted in a quote, have a little patience, the history is more complicated to make.

(I am sorry for the English, in long texts I support myself with the translator and maybe there is some error in the publication.)



The monthly statistics will look like this, maybe with some change.

 

Very cool stuff, also to take the price and HATs into the stats

Now are the HATs gonna be the ones that are created or each members first HAT, cause I keep a list of first HAT from all the members (but not the updated or renewed  HATs)....
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg50527660#msg50527660

[El duderino_]

https://twitter.com/Cointelegraph/status/1118089388066529281