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Question: Where will this rally top out?
Already topped <$7,000 - 15 (23.1%)
$7,000-$7,499 - 5 (7.7%)
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$8,000-$8,499 - 3 (4.6%)
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$10K+ - 29 (44.6%)
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January 18, 2020, 01:35:08 AM

Confirmed: Craig Wright doesn’t have keys to $8 billion of Bitcoin
Craig Wright’s lawyer says he didn’t receive the private keys to $8 billion worth of Bitcoin and provides an update on the Dave Kleiman court case.


https://decrypt.co/16998/confirmed-craig-wright-doesnt-have-keys-to-8-billion-of-bitcoin

tl;dr: Craig is royally fucked in about 90 days.

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But his lawyer said today that that was not the case.

“The file that he’s received did not include private keys,” Andres Rivero, partner at Rivero Mestre law firm, told Decrypt. However, Wright still expects that he will receive the keys at a later date. Rivero said the keys may come either whole or split into parts, but declined to discuss further the particulars around who has the keys and when they might arrive.

No way! This is a shock! BSVers are jumping off the bridges, markets are going crazy and no one knows how to react to this...oh wait, nope, no one with one brain cell and even jbreher expected Faketoshi to have the keys!

jbreher logic:
1-Satoshi was a genius who created perfect code, thus we must follow truest implementation of satoshi code!
2-It doesn't matter whether Satoshi is an idiot who can't code, a serial liar and a perjurer who looses every trail he starts
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Show me where I ever made that claim.

Fuckin' liar you are, DaRude. Which puts you squarely in the class that you accuse CSW being a member of.

That you shilling BSV because it follows truest implementation of satoshi's code? Or that you claim that it doesn't matter if CSW is Satoshi? Cause it's in like your every other post
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January 18, 2020, 01:47:27 AM

I really thought that it was jonoiv that I was responding to - hence my aggression.

Not like anybody here is going to listen to *my* opinion on this matter, but... jonoiv gotz a bum rap in this thread. Undeservedly.

Well, sorry to hear that.
But he did manage to stand out that day that he spammed WO.

Yeah. He reacted less than graciously. When one ringleader attacked an exaggerated strawman of his position, and then all y'all baby sharks ripped into him, having smelled blood in the water that was not your own.


Of course, Craig and his legal team is attempting to engage in kinds of delay tactics

You've obviously not read the recent pleadings. Ira is trying to stall. Craig is arguing for the previously agreed (faster) schedule.

I don't know if I should ask further.. or even give too many shits about it... .. <snip>

Nice attempt to admit you were wrong without actually saying so.

<comic sans> very slippery     much dissemble </comic sans>

Much like the bulk of what gets spewed around here regarding BSV or BCH, it is actually diametrically counterfactual echo chamber magnified bullshit. All y'all might wanna check some of your assumptions.

I said to give me a link to another thread, and I will discuss further if you want.

In this bitcoin thread, we don't need to justify any of our negative bashing of various other coins

Absolutely. But when your "bashing" becomes lying, then you most certainly have to answer for it.

Oh gawd, jbreher.  You are pathetic.  Sympathizing with a known bullshitter.  It takes one to know one, is that your commonality with jonoiv.

Nice contribution, JJG. Really meaningful. </sarc>

There's no need for a /sarc there.  I did make a "meaningful" contribution... You are identifying with jonoiv,

I am not _identifying_with_ jonoiv. I am pointing out that he was unfairly mischaracerized, and the resultant strawman was ridiculed relentlessly to the point that he reacted gracelessly thereto.

Ok blame other people for jonoiv's graceless reaction... Makes a lot of sense.  Roll Eyes


Several times, sgbett has conceded that the thread is supposed to be about bitcoin, but he keeps bringing us bcash sv or other bcash n

I guess you keep missing the not-so-concealed statements from sgbett that he is still referring to Bitcoin - specifically, to BSV.

At least that's what I read. Check it yourself. I wouldn't want to be putting words into sgbetts' mouth.

Don't be even more ridiculous than you already are.

The OP was not about BSV.  Yeah, he might have been mixing the concepts in some of his later posts, and so sometimes that can be the reason to call out the bullshit, but I already had this back and forth communication with him in the thread, so no need to rehash it here.  The OP is about bitcoin, not BSV, and whatever... enough said..

Of course, Craig and his legal team is attempting to engage in kinds of delay tactics

You've obviously not read the recent pleadings. Ira is trying to stall. Craig is arguing for the previously agreed (faster) schedule.

I don't know if I should ask further.. or even give too many shits about it... .. <snip>

Nice attempt to admit you were wrong without actually saying so.

<comic sans> very slippery     much dissemble </comic sans>

Much like the bulk of what gets spewed around here regarding BSV or BCH, it is actually diametrically counterfactual echo chamber magnified bullshit. All y'all might wanna check some of your assumptions.

I said to give me a link to another thread, and I will discuss further if you want.

In this bitcoin thread, we don't need to justify any of our negative bashing of various other coins

Absolutely. But when your "bashing" becomes lying, then you most certainly have to answer for it.

Are you just making up whatever rule about thread topic relevance that you want in order to troll/shill your bullshit, here?

If you had not noticed, this thread is about bitcoin.. so who fucking cares if what happens to be said about some other topic, such as a shitcoin bsv rises to the level of lies.. It does not matter.  

You are just making up shit and saying that you have a right to defend purported lies in order to try to find some kind of loophole/hook in which you are justified to talk about irrelevant shitcoin topics in this thread and to defend them or to bring up other bullshit about those irrelevant coins in this thread.

You do not deserve any loophole.. You talk about that nonsense enough here, and you are largely NOT justified in the amount that you talk about that baloney here.. but you do it anyhow in a persistent troll/shilling way.
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January 18, 2020, 02:24:50 AM
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P.S.: This is my nº 5000 shitpost!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEE Tongue

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There are many posts, it's a long journey, nice number


Yeah, not everyone can reach such a HUGE amount of shitposting in just 7 years!

I am so proud... But I also want to thank my dear friends here on WO: I would have not been able to make it without you all. Cheers!
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I'll interject with something nice. Congrats on your BSV investment, jbreher.

*ducks and runs*
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January 18, 2020, 03:32:47 AM
Last edit: January 18, 2020, 04:19:58 AM by bitserve



Edit:  By the way my sub $9k incremental sell orders just filled, next ones at $9,200-ish.... easy peasy... little by little.. sell, sell, sell as the price goes up, but only a little.  That's the mindless system that always attempts to stay ahead of the price moves... The price comes to your sell/buy orders, you do not go to the price..  It's making money in your sleep (kind of), as long as the underlying asset ultimately goes up..

Mines too. Now putting some buy orders at around $8.5-8.6K for the same amount.

Same as you, this has nothing to do with where I do think the price is going next. Scalping needs no feelings. It only needs some (almost unpredictible) sideways volatility.

Yep.. in these order settings, we are attempting to take advantage of BTC's almost inevitable short-term volatility like unemotional bots in regards to setting our orders.. [...]  

By the way, when i started doing this, at $250-ish [...]

Hey JJG, serious question. Could you give some insights in this obviously well thought through strategy you are having? And have extensively shared numerous times? As well for the potential new people entering because of the recent positive price action.


What percentage if your bitcoin holdings, perhaps calculated into today's fiat value, did you lose because of having your bitcoins on an exchange or hot wallet (exchange hacks, sim swaps, etc)

versus

Your gains applying this strategy?

I lost more than I gained.

Same here (Considering Mtgox... other than that I gained more).
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January 18, 2020, 03:36:52 AM

I'll interject with something nice. Congrats on your BSV investment, jbreher.

*ducks and runs*

Nobody said jbreher is stupid.

... Well, maybe some did lol

He is wrong though. But it won't matter. He will do well.
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New bitwise survey. It's nice to see that less people think it's a bubble or a scam, but at the same time more people want regulation which essentially is kinda against idea of bitcoin, like what the hell...

Source

The list is incomplete.  There's at least one more reason:
I am prevented from investing more in crypto because

                            I'M ALL IN
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January 18, 2020, 03:47:07 AM

If he truly believes that BSV is better, and right, why hedge?

Because the market can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent, grasshopper.

That's a bullshit excuse and you know it. And if that is the case at what point do you trade your BCH and Bitcoin holdings over to BSV? Never maybe, because a market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent?

Maybe. Maybe tomorrow. Either way, I'm not going to call to inform you before I do.

I don't want you to inform me, I want you to admit that you don't fully believe in BSV.

Tough shit. That would be a mischaracterization of my position. Which you do not get to dictate.

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With every post you try to peddle here about BSV being the correct Bitcoin, you should probably have a disclaimer saying that you also own a significant portion of Bitcoin and BCH. Just to make things clear.

That would be repetitive and redundant.

Repetitive maybe, redundant my ass. You are a scammer that claims BSV is Bitcoin, you defend and encourage BSV at every turn while deriding Bitcoin. Yet you hold significant sums in both BCH and Bitcoin. You are a shill who doesn't practice what he preaches and I'm sure anyone who you encourage to buy into the scammers paradise of BSV would be very interested to know that you don't actually believe it is Satoshi's Bitcoin. Because if you did you would not have large holdings in BCH or BTC.

In summary, when BSV and BCH both claim very aggressively to be Bitcoin and you claim the same, but still hold BCH and Bitcoin you are a damn scammer and shill. End of story.
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January 18, 2020, 04:10:46 AM

Confirmed: Craig Wright doesn’t have keys to $8 billion of Bitcoin
Craig Wright’s lawyer says he didn’t receive the private keys to $8 billion worth of Bitcoin and provides an update on the Dave Kleiman court case.


https://decrypt.co/16998/confirmed-craig-wright-doesnt-have-keys-to-8-billion-of-bitcoin

tl;dr: Craig is royally fucked in about 90 days.

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But his lawyer said today that that was not the case.

“The file that he’s received did not include private keys,” Andres Rivero, partner at Rivero Mestre law firm, told Decrypt. However, Wright still expects that he will receive the keys at a later date. Rivero said the keys may come either whole or split into parts, but declined to discuss further the particulars around who has the keys and when they might arrive.

No way! This is a shock! BSVers are jumping off the bridges, markets are going crazy and no one knows how to react to this...oh wait, nope, no one with one brain cell and even jbreher expected Faketoshi to have the keys!

Show me where I ever made that claim.

Fuckin' liar you are, DaRude. Which puts you squarely in the class that you accuse CSW being a member of.

That you shilling BSV because it follows truest implementation of satoshi's code? Or that you claim that it doesn't matter if CSW is Satoshi? Cause it's in like your every other post

The following, you slimy bastahd: "even jbreher expected Faketoshi to have the keys!"
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January 18, 2020, 04:14:02 AM

who fucking cares if what happens to be said about some other topic, such as a shitcoin bsv rises to the level of lies.. It does not matter.  

So you openly admit to lies, and you pile on by stating that lying does not matter. Great. Paragon of virtue, our JJG.
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January 18, 2020, 04:14:57 AM

I'll interject with something nice. Congrats on your BSV investment, jbreher.

*ducks and runs*

Why thank you, dear sir. Congrats to you as well on your recent Vegeta.
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January 18, 2020, 04:16:51 AM

You are a scammer

Being a scammer requires a victim. Who have I scammed, somac.? Name the aggrieved party or STFU.
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Why are we paying so much attention to a clearly peripheral issue?
Everybody knows that @jbreher likes BSV. So what? He does not force anyone to buy it, just states his opinion (infrequently).
I think that he is mistaken, but it is just an opinion.
Some guys like pussy and some like something else, #nohomo.

All this lambasting a fellow WO member is for naught and kind of sad to see.
Reminds me of a conflict between bolsheviks and mensheviks or going even more "satirical/historical", Lilliputians and Blefuscudians.
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January 18, 2020, 04:43:55 AM

I know we touched on the new US tax question recently but I hadn't considered this point of view which I tend to agree.

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Opinion: The IRS will cause significantly more adoption of bitcoin.

Going forward, all taxpayers will be required to answer the question below:

This question will force all taxpayers to contemplate the existence of cryptocurrency as an asset class.

This also forces accountants, attorneys, and financial advisors to educate themselves on the subject in order to represent and advise their clients.
The question will inevitably nudge some of the tens of millions who are exposed to it, and who are curious,  to explore this new asset class.

Once curiosity sets in, it is guaranteed that Bitcoin’s gravity will draw many of these newcomers down its rabbit hole.
This amounts to a guerrilla marketing  campaign by the IRS, and it can only lead to increased interest in and adoption of bitcoin, IMO.

I do not believe this is the intent of the question by any means, but I cannot see how the increased awareness will be a net negative.
https://twitter.com/sixpointonefive/status/1218348953197899776?s=20
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so much for the ZEC pump
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I know we touched on the new US tax question recently but I hadn't considered this point of view which I tend to agree.

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Opinion: The IRS will cause significantly more adoption of bitcoin.

Going forward, all taxpayers will be required to answer the question below:

This question will force all taxpayers to contemplate the existence of cryptocurrency as an asset class.

This also forces accountants, attorneys, and financial advisors to educate themselves on the subject in order to represent and advise their clients.
The question will inevitably nudge some of the tens of millions who are exposed to it, and who are curious,  to explore this new asset class.

Once curiosity sets in, it is guaranteed that Bitcoin’s gravity will draw many of these newcomers down its rabbit hole.
This amounts to a guerrilla marketing  campaign by the IRS, and it can only lead to increased interest in and adoption of bitcoin, IMO.

I do not believe this is the intent of the question by any means, but I cannot see how the increased awareness will be a net negative.
https://twitter.com/sixpointonefive/status/1218348953197899776?s=20

gamers would be like...."Dude, are gps virtual currency or not?".

so much for the ZEC pump

Still 100% up from Dec 31, js
Crazy stuff.
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January 18, 2020, 05:11:58 AM

You are a scammer

Being a scammer requires a victim. Who have I scammed, somac.? Name the aggrieved party or STFU.

The correct term is would-be scammer.  Cheesy

No but in all seriousness, there was a decent analogy given in one of the many BSV ANN threads about how attempting to recreate Bitcoin 0.1 is like attempting to recreate an early Ford automobile.

imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

Craig is claiming his car is a Ford Model T when in actuality under the hood its closer to a Toyota Corolla. If he wanted to recreate the Model T, he would have just cloned the Model T instead of including all the modernizations introduced in generations (builds) afterward.

To complete the analogy, modern Bitcoin (0.19) is more like a Ford Fusion sedan. It makes use of the latest innovations in the industry to deliver an advanced version of the original product, one that couldn't have been fathomable during Henry Ford's time.

If you want to be religious about it and say the Model T is the only true car, well have fun, but don't expect other people to follow.

In short, adhering to BSV because one believes it more closely follows Satoshi's original protocol is much like a religion -- based on belief, and not much more. Its a religion every bit as much as Bitcoin (BTC) Maximalism is a religion.

Personally I find Prophet Craig to be a false prophet as his teachings are unpalatable -- pretty much devoid of any sort of morals or ethics. However, if someone else wants to accept him as a True Prophet, well, not much I can do about that.
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I know we touched on the new US tax question recently but I hadn't considered this point of view which I tend to agree.

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Opinion: The IRS will cause significantly more adoption of bitcoin.

Going forward, all taxpayers will be required to answer the question below:

This question will force all taxpayers to contemplate the existence of cryptocurrency as an asset class.

This also forces accountants, attorneys, and financial advisors to educate themselves on the subject in order to represent and advise their clients.
The question will inevitably nudge some of the tens of millions who are exposed to it, and who are curious,  to explore this new asset class.

Once curiosity sets in, it is guaranteed that Bitcoin’s gravity will draw many of these newcomers down its rabbit hole.
This amounts to a guerrilla marketing  campaign by the IRS, and it can only lead to increased interest in and adoption of bitcoin, IMO.

I do not believe this is the intent of the question by any means, but I cannot see how the increased awareness will be a net negative.
https://twitter.com/sixpointonefive/status/1218348953197899776?s=20

Or it will be a handy way for the US Government to do a 'blanket' or spot check even audit on those who check the box. I mean they did send letters to EVERYONE
more or less who was on Coinbase that moved I think it was more than 200 transactions. Not saying it is likely, just saying, the IRS did not like being forced
by congress to step up and enforce Bitcoin and Crypto with all the negative publicity. This would be an easy and handy way to slap back at those who, IMHO,
embarrassed the IRS into more enforcement with even more funding cuts.

Unlikely, but it gave me a good 'shudder' anyway Smiley (been legal since I started in 2013..but would be a real mess to explain crypto to a newbie IRS auditor of
what the hell mining was in 2014 and why I lost money on this or that) Sad

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January 18, 2020, 05:37:02 AM

who fucking cares if what happens to be said about some other topic, such as a shitcoin bsv rises to the level of lies.. It does not matter.  

So you openly admit to lies, and you pile on by stating that lying does not matter. Great. Paragon of virtue, our JJG.

I am NOT admitting anything.  I am saying that your assertion that lies are being made here does not give you a free pass to troll and shill your stupid-ass off-topic support for that shitcoin BSV or any other shitcoin or other off-topical matter that you proclaim to be correcting purported lies. 
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January 18, 2020, 06:14:34 AM

Confirmed: Craig Wright doesn’t have keys to $8 billion of Bitcoin
Craig Wright’s lawyer says he didn’t receive the private keys to $8 billion worth of Bitcoin and provides an update on the Dave Kleiman court case.


https://decrypt.co/16998/confirmed-craig-wright-doesnt-have-keys-to-8-billion-of-bitcoin

tl;dr: Craig is royally fucked in about 90 days.

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But his lawyer said today that that was not the case.

“The file that he’s received did not include private keys,” Andres Rivero, partner at Rivero Mestre law firm, told Decrypt. However, Wright still expects that he will receive the keys at a later date. Rivero said the keys may come either whole or split into parts, but declined to discuss further the particulars around who has the keys and when they might arrive.

No way! This is a shock! BSVers are jumping off the bridges, markets are going crazy and no one knows how to react to this...oh wait, nope, no one with one brain cell and even jbreher expected Faketoshi to have the keys!

Show me where I ever made that claim.

Fuckin' liar you are, DaRude. Which puts you squarely in the class that you accuse CSW being a member of.

That you shilling BSV because it follows truest implementation of satoshi's code? Or that you claim that it doesn't matter if CSW is Satoshi? Cause it's in like your every other post

The following, you slimy bastahd: "even jbreher expected Faketoshi to have the keys!"

Sorry to interrupt. But I think he meant that NOT "even jbreher expected Faketoshi to have the keys". The sentence is a bit confusing though ("and" should have been a "nor").
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