Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[Astargath]

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I don't believe that SV40 was injected into the plebs specifically to cause cancer...but I don't rule it out either.

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Again 0 evidence that some entity somewhere is making all vaccines harmful on purpose. Zero evidence.

Can you not read?  Or can you simply not understand the concept of not believing something somewhere in between 100% and 0%.

If the latter, you are certainly not alone.  This inability among the sheeple is one of the primary features that social engineers rely on to do their work.  'School' should promote this ability to entertain and analyze a variety of hypotheses but it seems to have the opposite effect.  For some reason...

If harmful ingredients were deliberately allowed to be a part of some vaccines in order to achieve a certain result which some powerful people desired, then finding harmful ingredients in the vaccine absolutely is 'evidence'.  Is it 'proof'?  No it is not.  This should be 'analysis 101', but almost nobody seems to be able to comprehend this simple logic.  Oh well.

You would need to find evidence that those people allowed harmful ingredients on purpose and you would have to prove who those people are and not just 1 vaccine somewhere in the world but most of them. I don't think it's illogical to think that somewhere someone allowed a harmful ingredient or two to make the vaccine faster or cheaper or whatever but even then that's not what you and others are talking about. You are talking about a group of people who deliberately make harmful vaccines to KILL people.

[Azazel333]

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I don't believe that SV40 was injected into the plebs specifically to cause cancer...but I don't rule it out either.

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Again 0 evidence that some entity somewhere is making all vaccines harmful on purpose. Zero evidence.

Can you not read?  Or can you simply not understand the concept of not believing something somewhere in between 100% and 0%.

If the latter, you are certainly not alone.  This inability among the sheeple is one of the primary features that social engineers rely on to do their work.  'School' should promote this ability to entertain and analyze a variety of hypotheses but it seems to have the opposite effect.  For some reason...

If harmful ingredients were deliberately allowed to be a part of some vaccines in order to achieve a certain result which some powerful people desired, then finding harmful ingredients in the vaccine absolutely is 'evidence'.  Is it 'proof'?  No it is not.  This should be 'analysis 101', but almost nobody seems to be able to comprehend this simple logic.  Oh well.

You would need to find evidence that those people allowed harmful ingredients on purpose and you would have to prove who those people are and not just 1 vaccine somewhere in the world but most of them. I don't think it's illogical to think that somewhere someone allowed a harmful ingredient or two to make the vaccine faster or cheaper or whatever but even then that's not what you and others are talking about. You are talking about a group of people who deliberately make harmful vaccines to KILL people.

You are living in a fairly tale Astargath, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

[Astargath]

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I don't believe that SV40 was injected into the plebs specifically to cause cancer...but I don't rule it out either.

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Again 0 evidence that some entity somewhere is making all vaccines harmful on purpose. Zero evidence.

Can you not read?  Or can you simply not understand the concept of not believing something somewhere in between 100% and 0%.

If the latter, you are certainly not alone.  This inability among the sheeple is one of the primary features that social engineers rely on to do their work.  'School' should promote this ability to entertain and analyze a variety of hypotheses but it seems to have the opposite effect.  For some reason...

If harmful ingredients were deliberately allowed to be a part of some vaccines in order to achieve a certain result which some powerful people desired, then finding harmful ingredients in the vaccine absolutely is 'evidence'.  Is it 'proof'?  No it is not.  This should be 'analysis 101', but almost nobody seems to be able to comprehend this simple logic.  Oh well.

You would need to find evidence that those people allowed harmful ingredients on purpose and you would have to prove who those people are and not just 1 vaccine somewhere in the world but most of them. I don't think it's illogical to think that somewhere someone allowed a harmful ingredient or two to make the vaccine faster or cheaper or whatever but even then that's not what you and others are talking about. You are talking about a group of people who deliberately make harmful vaccines to KILL people.

You are living in a fairly tale Astargath, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

Facts don't care about feelings.

[BADecker]

Facts don't care about feelings.

Oh come on! Don't you know, yet, that we care about you?

[Azazel333]

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I don't believe that SV40 was injected into the plebs specifically to cause cancer...but I don't rule it out either.

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Again 0 evidence that some entity somewhere is making all vaccines harmful on purpose. Zero evidence.

Can you not read?  Or can you simply not understand the concept of not believing something somewhere in between 100% and 0%.

If the latter, you are certainly not alone.  This inability among the sheeple is one of the primary features that social engineers rely on to do their work.  'School' should promote this ability to entertain and analyze a variety of hypotheses but it seems to have the opposite effect.  For some reason...

If harmful ingredients were deliberately allowed to be a part of some vaccines in order to achieve a certain result which some powerful people desired, then finding harmful ingredients in the vaccine absolutely is 'evidence'.  Is it 'proof'?  No it is not.  This should be 'analysis 101', but almost nobody seems to be able to comprehend this simple logic.  Oh well.

You would need to find evidence that those people allowed harmful ingredients on purpose and you would have to prove who those people are and not just 1 vaccine somewhere in the world but most of them. I don't think it's illogical to think that somewhere someone allowed a harmful ingredient or two to make the vaccine faster or cheaper or whatever but even then that's not what you and others are talking about. You are talking about a group of people who deliberately make harmful vaccines to KILL people.

You are living in a fairly tale Astargath, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

Facts don't care about feelings.

Exactly my point, you will keep poisoning yourself and your children despite your feeling that the elite have your best interest in mind when you inject your body full of god knows what. You'd probably be safer going to the local dealer and telling him dealers choice.

Any student of history knows that the elite are not looking out for the little sheep. The fact that they love to give out these flu shots for free at local stores tells you everything you need to know. The elites NEVER give anything for free to the cattle unless it serves them.

[Astargath]

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I don't believe that SV40 was injected into the plebs specifically to cause cancer...but I don't rule it out either.

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Again 0 evidence that some entity somewhere is making all vaccines harmful on purpose. Zero evidence.

Can you not read?  Or can you simply not understand the concept of not believing something somewhere in between 100% and 0%.

If the latter, you are certainly not alone.  This inability among the sheeple is one of the primary features that social engineers rely on to do their work.  'School' should promote this ability to entertain and analyze a variety of hypotheses but it seems to have the opposite effect.  For some reason...

If harmful ingredients were deliberately allowed to be a part of some vaccines in order to achieve a certain result which some powerful people desired, then finding harmful ingredients in the vaccine absolutely is 'evidence'.  Is it 'proof'?  No it is not.  This should be 'analysis 101', but almost nobody seems to be able to comprehend this simple logic.  Oh well.

You would need to find evidence that those people allowed harmful ingredients on purpose and you would have to prove who those people are and not just 1 vaccine somewhere in the world but most of them. I don't think it's illogical to think that somewhere someone allowed a harmful ingredient or two to make the vaccine faster or cheaper or whatever but even then that's not what you and others are talking about. You are talking about a group of people who deliberately make harmful vaccines to KILL people.

You are living in a fairly tale Astargath, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

Facts don't care about feelings.

Exactly my point, you will keep poisoning yourself and your children despite your feeling that the elite have your best interest in mind when you inject your body full of god knows what. You'd probably be safer going to the local dealer and telling him dealers choice.

Any student of history knows that the elite are not looking out for the little sheep. The fact that they love to give out these flu shots for free at local stores tells you everything you need to know. The elites NEVER give anything for free to the cattle unless it serves them.

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

[tvbcof]

Exactly my point, you will keep poisoning yourself and your children despite your feeling that the elite have your best interest in mind when you inject your body full of god knows what. You'd probably be safer going to the local dealer and telling him dealers choice.

Any student of history knows that the elite are not looking out for the little sheep. The fact that they love to give out these flu shots for free at local stores tells you everything you need to know. The elites NEVER give anything for free to the cattle unless it serves them.

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

Do we?  I think that you are not seeing the forest for the trees.

When there is a historical precedent for something (e.g., the 'elite' operating in their own interests against those of the masses) then a well-funded effort to get the pleb classes jabbed is 'evidence' that something nefarious might be going on.  Not very strong evidence, but evidence non-the-less.

The same thing is also 'evidence' that TPTB have become our loving saviors and want nothing but the best for us.  If they 'turned over a new leaf', then bending over backward to make sure that we could get our perfectly 'save and effective' bi-monthy 'flu' shots at the grocery store would be 'evidence' of their new-found loving kindness.  But if that is the case, we ALSO need 'evidence' of the 'elite's relatively new attitude.  Evidence of this is sorely lacking IMHO.

A different variety of 'evidence' comes from the various people on this thread who relate their personal experiences, and often through a language barrier (unless they are particularly sophisticated frauds.)  I personally put a fair bit of weight behind what they say.  When they say that the kid of theirs who had all of the prescribed shots is sick all the time and the (often younger) kid who did not seems a lot more healthy, it is something I find meaningful.  Partly because I've heard and seen it so many times myself.  Basically, I see a lot of reasons why the big pharma (and all parties associated with corp/gov) would use lies and fraud to tell us that vaccines are perfectly safe and anyone who says otherwise is nuts.  OTOH, I see very little incentive for a normal pleb on the ground to lie about his experiences.  There is simply nothing to gain by doing so.

[Astargath]

Exactly my point, you will keep poisoning yourself and your children despite your feeling that the elite have your best interest in mind when you inject your body full of god knows what. You'd probably be safer going to the local dealer and telling him dealers choice.

Any student of history knows that the elite are not looking out for the little sheep. The fact that they love to give out these flu shots for free at local stores tells you everything you need to know. The elites NEVER give anything for free to the cattle unless it serves them.

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

Do we?  I think that you are not seeing the forest for the trees.

When there is a historical precedent for something (e.g., the 'elite' operating in their own interests against those of the masses) then a well-funded effort to get the pleb classes jabbed is 'evidence' that something nefarious might be going on.  Not very strong evidence, but evidence non-the-less.

The same thing is also 'evidence' that TPTB have become our loving saviors and want nothing but the best for us.  If they 'turned over a new leaf', then bending over backward to make sure that we could get our perfectly 'save and effective' bi-monthy 'flu' shots at the grocery store would be 'evidence' of their new-found loving kindness.  But if that is the case, we ALSO need 'evidence' of the 'elite's relatively new attitude.  Evidence of this is sorely lacking IMHO.

A different variety of 'evidence' comes from the various people on this thread who relate their personal experiences, and often through a language barrier (unless they are particularly sophisticated frauds.)  I personally put a fair bit of weight behind what they say.  When they say that the kid of theirs who had all of the prescribed shots is sick all the time and the (often younger) kid who did not seems a lot more healthy, it is something I find meaningful.  Partly because I've heard and seen it so many times myself.  Basically, I see a lot of reasons why the big pharma (and all parties associated with corp/gov) would use lies and fraud to tell us that vaccines are perfectly safe and anyone who says otherwise is nuts.  OTOH, I see very little incentive for a normal pleb on the ground to lie about his experiences.  There is simply nothing to gain by doing so.

My dad smoked for 40 years and is healthy therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer - Personal experience.

[tvbcof]

My dad smoked for 40 years and is healthy therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer - Personal experience.

That would be evidence that smoking does not always result in cancer, but anyone who knows anything at all about statistics already understand this.

Now if a lot of people come out of the woodwork saying their dad smoked all his life and did not get cancer, but their uncle never smoked and did get cancer, that is a different story.  Especially if the informants don't seem to have any reason to lie about it.

In that case I might start to wonder more and more whether the impacts of nicotine on the brain stave off some of the general brain fog associated with old age (if not with Borrelia genus infections resulting from a deployed non-lethal biological warfare program) and if the 'tobacco lobby' didn't get rooked after all.  As things stand now I've not seen anything which makes me question that smoking contributes to lung cancer.  I know from a decade of experience that it contributes to pulmonary degradation.

[Beli99]

My friend has two kids one vaccinated and other unvaccinated ....he said he was uneducated when he got first kid ,but the point is that his second kid thats unvaccinated is more healthier and has much better immunity ,the difference is seen immediately comparing one to another hes first kid is always sick he had all those kids diseases

[tvbcof]

Questioning of the government promoted vaccine programs (selection, doses, schedules, etc) is highly correlated with affluence.

I suspect that affluent people often have one spouse with plenty of time to research.  Also, affluent people are more likely to be accustom to research due to their employment and/or educational backgrounds. It actually doesn't take much research at all to see that a lot of things don't add up.

Affluent people are often more near the end of their biological clock and don't have a second chance if their first set of kids are screwed up.

Also, the kids of the affluent are a lot more costly what with all the good schools, soccer practice, etc, etc.  Bigger investment.

Some of the affluent probably got the way they are be being in and/or exploiting the governing apparatus and that is a very good reason to not trust the government very much.  In other words, they know how the sausage is made.

[Azazel333]

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

Look at Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his studies linking vaccines to autism. They set their example right then and there, if you come out with evidence against vaccines you'll lose your career at a minimum.

[Azazel333]

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

How about Dr. Oz admitting he isn't going to vaccinate his four children? How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines (not the ones handed out to the masses)? I'm sure their are multitudes of other examples as well.

How do you explain that?

[tvbcof]

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

Look at Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his studies linking vaccines to autism. They set their example right then and there, if you come out with evidence against vaccines you'll lose your career at a minimum.

(Before the inevitable 'Wakefield is a proven fraud' chorus...) note that Wakefield's co-author on the infamous paper was wealthy and he had half-a-million pounds to defend himself.  He got _his_ license back and a lot of apologies for the malfeasance in the court system.  More than that, the higher court admonished the lower court for their actions.

This is pretty good 'evidence' that Wakefield got fucked raw, and in turn is good 'evidence' that corp/gov has a strong enough interest in the subject to use their leverage in the court system.  And in the media.

The paper says nothing but that until further study they recommend that measles, mumps, and rubella be given as three separate shots.  It said explicitly that the paper showed no 'proof' of any correlation between the multi-purpose MMR and bowel disease, but the results were interesting enough to warrant further study.  Unfortunately for Wakefield the 'public health' bureaucracy was, for some reason, utterly dedicated to getting the MMR adopted and the separate dose vaccines deprecated.  He stepped on some powerful and well funded toes and paid the price.

[Beli99]

Beyond the mercury-based preservative thimerosal, a known neurotoxin that has been linked to many serious health conditions including autism, vaccines are rife with other often questionable components, such as
-Aluminum
-Antibiotics
-Bovine cow serum
-Egg protein
-Formaldehyde
-Human albumin
-Monosodium glutamate (MSG)
-Sorbitol
-Squalene
-Gelatin
-Phenoxyethanol
-Polysorbate 80
-Aborted human fetal tissue(Human Diploid Cells)

And another thing many people have no clue that when they get vaccinated with vaccine ingredients that contain Viruses and viral agents a transfer of genetic matterial has taken place and in the process at the cellular level the DNA of humans has been invaded thus a new genetic code has taken over the DNA imprint

[Astargath]

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

How about Dr. Oz admitting he isn't going to vaccinate his four children? How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines (not the ones handed out to the masses)? I'm sure their are multitudes of other examples as well.

How do you explain that?

How about all the other millions of doctors who are going to vaccinate their children? Why is Dr.Oz the authority here? ''How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines'' I know nothing about that and you provided no evidence for it either.

[tvbcof]

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

How about Dr. Oz admitting he isn't going to vaccinate his four children? How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines (not the ones handed out to the masses)? I'm sure their are multitudes of other examples as well.

How do you explain that?

How about all the other millions of doctors who are going to vaccinate their children? Why is Dr.Oz the authority here?

If I were a doctor I'd have a friend shoot the vaccine into the sink and sign the paperwork.  And as a non-doctor I'd find a doctor who would do just this for a special fee.  Of course if I could be confident that I (or my kid) were going to get a special vaccine which was known safe things would be different.

IIRC, Dr. Oz said he wanted to vaccinate his kids, but the wife would not let him.  But he strongly recommends it for the plebs watching his mainstream propaganda show.  Of course he does...he likes having a show.  The most interesting thing was that they guy was not willing to just tell a straight up lie with a straight face.  Unusual for a person on mainstream media.  Maybe he has a soul buried somewhere in there.  Or maybe he just knew that he'd be outed.

''How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines'' I know nothing about that and you provided no evidence for it either.

Top result on a 2 second web search.  And from Time which is one of the top globalist propaganda rags, but that was a decade ago...I doubt that such a story would even be penned now:

  http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1932366,00.html

I'd heard the story before and/or ones like it.  The Germans tend to be no fools when it comes to this stuff.  They've been at or near the top in development of such things since the 1930's at least, but they lost a lot of their talent to the U.S. after the war when German scientists were given immunity and moved to our country to continue their work.

Edit:  Interesting that the Germans were dosed up with special safe-for-plebs vaccines and a decade later they got infected with open-boarders and immigrants.  They no longer had what it takes to avoid said infection.  Not that immigration, or 'guest worker' programs, are exactly new but the latest 'strain' of the infection were not Turks who were useful in bolting BMWs together.

[BADecker]

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

How about Dr. Oz admitting he isn't going to vaccinate his four children? How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines (not the ones handed out to the masses)? I'm sure their are multitudes of other examples as well.

How do you explain that?

How about all the other millions of doctors who are going to vaccinate their children? Why is Dr.Oz the authority here?

If I were a doctor I'd have a friend shoot the vaccine into the sink and sign the paperwork.  And as a non-doctor I'd find a doctor who would do just this for a special fee.  Of course if I could be confident that I (or my kid) were going to get a special vaccine which was known safe things would be different.

IIRC, Dr. Oz said he wanted to vaccinate his kids, but the wife would not let him.  But he strongly recommends it for the plebs watching his mainstream propaganda show.  Of course he does...he likes having a show.  The most interesting thing was that they guy was not willing to just tell a straight up lie with a straight face.  Unusual for a person on mainstream media.  Maybe he has a soul buried somewhere in there.  Or maybe he just knew that he'd be outed.

''How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines'' I know nothing about that and you provided no evidence for it either.

Top result on a 2 second web search.  And from Time which is one of the top globalist propaganda rags, but that was a decade ago...I doubt that such a story would even be penned now:

  http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1932366,00.html

I'd heard the story before and/or ones like it.  The Germans tend to be no fools when it comes to this stuff.  They've been at or near the top in development of such things since the 1930's at least, but they lost a lot of their talent to the U.S. after the war when German scientists were given immunity and moved to our country to continue their work.

Edit:  Interesting that the Germans were dosed up with special safe-for-plebs vaccines and a decade later they got infected with open-boarders and immigrants.  They no longer had what it takes to avoid said infection.  Not that immigration, or 'guest worker' programs, are exactly new but the latest 'strain' of the infection were not Turks who were useful in bolting BMWs together.

As a side note: the real reason why the Germans lost WW2 (and maybe WW1) is, the Germans take too much pride in doing their work accurately. This means that they couldn't mass produce equipment nearly as fast as the Allies, who needed good equipment, but didn't care about frills and pride so much. The Germans needed everything just so. Their commanders couldn't force them to work without the unnecessary perfection that kept their pride alive. Americans didn't care; they wanted to win, period.

BTW, that's why Germany was an excellent nation to locate the complexities of chemistry in, be it vaccination chemistry, or other chemistry. You need a lot of care to produce quality vaccines, and a lot more care to produce reasonable vaccines that hide a lot of bad stuff within them. Germans - and to a lesser extent, the Swiss - are just what Big Pharma needs for their killer vaccines.

[Astargath]

You keep forgetting to bring evidence to the discussion.

How about Dr. Oz admitting he isn't going to vaccinate his four children? How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines (not the ones handed out to the masses)? I'm sure their are multitudes of other examples as well.

How do you explain that?

How about all the other millions of doctors who are going to vaccinate their children? Why is Dr.Oz the authority here?

If I were a doctor I'd have a friend shoot the vaccine into the sink and sign the paperwork.  And as a non-doctor I'd find a doctor who would do just this for a special fee.  Of course if I could be confident that I (or my kid) were going to get a special vaccine which was known safe things would be different.

IIRC, Dr. Oz said he wanted to vaccinate his kids, but the wife would not let him.  But he strongly recommends it for the plebs watching his mainstream propaganda show.  Of course he does...he likes having a show.  The most interesting thing was that they guy was not willing to just tell a straight up lie with a straight face.  Unusual for a person on mainstream media.  Maybe he has a soul buried somewhere in there.  Or maybe he just knew that he'd be outed.

''How about the high ranking german government officials only being willing to take special vaccines'' I know nothing about that and you provided no evidence for it either.

Top result on a 2 second web search.  And from Time which is one of the top globalist propaganda rags, but that was a decade ago...I doubt that such a story would even be penned now:

  http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1932366,00.html

I'd heard the story before and/or ones like it.  The Germans tend to be no fools when it comes to this stuff.  They've been at or near the top in development of such things since the 1930's at least, but they lost a lot of their talent to the U.S. after the war when German scientists were given immunity and moved to our country to continue their work.

Edit:  Interesting that the Germans were dosed up with special safe-for-plebs vaccines and a decade later they got infected with open-boarders and immigrants.  They no longer had what it takes to avoid said infection.  Not that immigration, or 'guest worker' programs, are exactly new but the latest 'strain' of the infection were not Turks who were useful in bolting BMWs together.

''Top result on a 2 second web search.'' Here we found the problem, you search something on google, look at the first webpage and you take it as truth no matter what as long as it fits your agenda. Germans are indeed no fools, the article clearly says that they took vaccines but with fewer side effects. Note the '' they still took the vaccines''. What's the point of taking vaccines at all if they are harmful? Perhaps it's because they actually work? I'm not saying what they did was good or moral, clearly it's not if they gave normal population vaccines with more side effects but it's not like they did it on purpose to kill people, otherwise why would they give them vaccines that work at all and not wait for the virus to spread?

[tvbcof]

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''Top result on a 2 second web search.'' Here we found the problem, you search something on google, look at the first webpage and you take it as truth no matter what as long as it fits your agenda. Germans are indeed no fools, the article clearly says that they took vaccines but with fewer side effects. Note the '' they still took the vaccines''. What's the point of taking vaccines at all if they are harmful? Perhaps it's because they actually work? I'm not saying what they did was good or moral, clearly it's not if they gave normal population vaccines with more side effects but it's not like they did it on purpose to kill people, otherwise why would they give them vaccines that work at all and not wait for the virus to spread?

Time is an enemy of mine and I think they tried to sugar-coat things a little in the article, but I still used the information.  When I can make a point (which I did) by using source material which is antagonistic to my point of view, I'll often do so.

How do you square the idea that vaccines are perfectly safe with no downsides against a situation where a government gives it's government paid minions a more expensive vaccine because it has 'fewer side effects.'   Hmmm?

Anyway, the H1N1 thing was mostly a giant scam.  It did, however, have the useful effect of getting (some minority of) people asking questions about the corp/gov medical complex because the vaccine did so much damage.  As with all of these scams the so-called H1N1 was no big deal anyway.  At least for people who stayed away from vaccines and thus had functional immune systems.  Same with the last bit 'pandemic flu' they tried to scare us with.  Dog flu?  Swine flu?  I don't even remember because it was such a nothingburger.

Generally speaking a pleb dying of infections disease does the medical/industrial complex no good (aside from the benefit of having fewer 'human viruses' infecting 'mother Gaia' for the fruitcakes who are into that religion.)  The drugs are are old-school and out of patent, and death usually comes fairly quickly.  Cancer, OTOH, is a true gift from God.  (Their god who is know to Christians by a different name.)  They can string people along for years selling them 'newly developed' pills for $10,000 a pop.  And with Obamacare they can use my money to pay big pharma the $10,000 per.