Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[BADecker]

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Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. You're gonna remain healthy if it kills you.

Vaccine shot killed famed cancer doctor in mere minutes from "total organ failure" …

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Now that's what they call 'taking one for the team'!

It's also called a 'medical mistake' when you kill an important person like a politician or a doctor.  Or their relative.  There is no excuse for such an error now that we have databases which can track and correlate the medical records and financial assets of people on an individual level.  Those people are supposed to get 'special' injections which are befitting their class.  Proper AI will solve some of these minor issues.

The question is, once AI becomes a little self-aware, will it share the info with us?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070909/
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[BADecker]

Now, even the courts are coming out into the open with their rulings on the dangers of vaccines.


Court Ruling Confirms Merck’s GARDASIL HPV Vaccine Kills People – Did Anyone Even Notice?

The infamous human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine by Gardasil is in use around the world for both girls and boys, even though an American court has ruled beyond the shadow of a doubt that the vaccine can kill people.

The Tarsell family lost their 21-year-old daughter when she died shortly after getting this vaccine, and because of their determination to hold the vaccine maker accountable, they have proven that this vaccine is dangerous and needs to be removed from the schedule of vaccines.

No family should ever have to go through such an ordeal, but for the sake of justice for Christina Tarsell, the Tarsell family won an incredibly important judgement. Her story is told in brief, here:

Check this out - http://naturalsociety.com/anthony-gucciardi-speaks-gardasil-dangers-merck-corruption/ - and DuckDuckGo search for things like "Gardasil dangers."



EDIT: Further from the article:

Vaccine makers pay an excise tax to this system for every vaccine they sell. This money (cost of doing business) is used to pay out damages to select families who can medically prove they were damaged by a vaccine. This system protects vaccine makers from being sued in a true court of law, ensuring that vaccines will continue to be manufactured for the “good of all.” [Source]

[BADecker]

If that is what you want in your vaccines, have at it. After all, the one-worlders want to reduce the population. Let it be you.


Vaccines found to contain pig virus DNA and monkey kidney cells… the "dirty" little secret the vaccine industry doesn’t want you to know.

A list of vaccine excipients released by the CDC provides insight into some of the most toxic ingredients that big pharmaceutical companies use in manufacturing vaccines. With the FDA and CDC insisting on the safety of these vaccines, larger drug firms continue to use these ingredients to cash in on their products while simultaneously disregarding public safety.

Vaccines heavily-laden with infected animal cells

The CDC’s list includes an array of excipients that use various vero cells taken from animal hosts. These cells have undergone great scrutiny as various clinical studies raised concerns about possible infection. An excipient found in polio vaccine, for example, contains cells from African green monkeys. Vero cells taken from this species of ape are known to be infected with Simian Virus 40, a DNA tumor virus associated with the onset of different types of cancer. Further analysis also revealed that the virus has a slow-moving an archetypal strain that drug manufacturers and regulators failed to monitor. The use of this infected vaccine excipient resulted in a significant increase in cancer rates since the 1960s.

A rotavirus vaccine also came under fire for using this excipient. A 2010 study published in the Journal of Virology found that the rotavirus vaccine contains a live simian virus, with researchers noting a 96 percent matching certainty. Another study confirmed the presence of an endogenous baboon virus in the same vaccine. The results appear in the journal Advances in Virology. Infected cells taken from diseased monkeys have also been feared to have tainted a smallpox vaccine. Warning indications for said vaccine include a host of adverse health conditions such as cardiac disease, blindness and encephalitis.

There are links to the CDC website in the article.

[tvbcof]

In another episode of 'taking one for the team':

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wxPdUePDuM

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The 'bumper music' from this vid:

I cannot say that vaccines don't 'work' _{(toward the goal of bringing us to full idiocracy)}, but I'm not going to give them all of the credit:



This could easily be a photoshoped hoax.  I would expect to see a lot of hoaxes floating around.  If someone gave me the tasked of dealing with the anti-vaxxer problem I would have my team produce a lot of easily debunked frauds and wait for them to be circulated around.  I find a lot of 'conspiracy theories' entirely plausible because they are exactly what I would do in certain conditions/situations.

edit: clarification

[cestmoi]

BADecker, you say that unvaccinated kids are not as sick as vacicnated kids.
Hence people shouldn't use vaccines.

I have a question  for you :

Do you drink alcohol, do you smoke ? do you eat meat ? do you drink milk ?

Because all the above actions also lead to people being sicker than the ones restraining doing them.

Do you agree that alcohol, smoking, meat eating, milk drinking are bad and kill people ?

Looking forward to read your answer

[tvbcof]

BADecker, you say that unvaccinated kids are not as sick as vacicnated kids.
Hence people shouldn't use vaccines.

I have a question  for you :

Do you drink alcohol, do you smoke ? do you eat meat ? do you drink milk ?

Because all the above actions also lead to people being sicker than the ones restraining doing them.

Do you agree that alcohol, smoking, meat eating, milk drinking are bad and kill people ?

Looking forward to read your answer

We are talking generally about children who don't have the power to make their own decisions and implement said decisions.  This is why in all societies universally children are protected to some degree or another.

We are also talking about a situation where it is a combination of corrupt and 'captured' government agencies and the multinational pharmaceutical corporations who make a ton of money off of vaccines and their effects who forcing children into doing something which is often against the will of the children's own parents.

I doubt that many 'anti-vaxxers' would give two shits if an adult wants to inject themselves with meth or _asks_ corp/gov to inject them with whatever so long as we don't have to pay for it.  Yes, it would be a general cost to society which as often as not we 'anti-vaxxers' will pay for, but it's not really worth the fight.

When you are talking about corp/gov destroying the health of a whole generation citizens starting on the first day life, that is a whole different ball of wax.  It means effectively the end of the United States as it has been known in history, and _I_ suspect that that is exactly the goal of the very few at the top of the pyramid who are running the show.

Now of course I am in a minority of people who suspect something so dark.  But I was in a minority of people who thought Bitcoin was worth a chance in 2011.  This also by observing the goings-on at the top of the pyramid.

[BADecker]

BADecker, you say that unvaccinated kids are not as sick as vacicnated kids.
Hence people shouldn't use vaccines.

I have a question  for you :

Do you drink alcohol, do you smoke ? do you eat meat ? do you drink milk ?

Because all the above actions also lead to people being sicker than the ones restraining doing them.

Do you agree that alcohol, smoking, meat eating, milk drinking are bad and kill people ?

Looking forward to read your answer

I see that your activity is 56 as of this writing. You are a Junior Member. The rules say that we are supposed to read the posts in a thread before posting. Nobody does it completely. So, you are forgiven.

The point is, what I think, is irrelevant. Throughout the thread there are posts with links to all kinds of strong evidence that vaccines are dangerous. On top of that, vaccines probably do a lot less good than people think that they do... if you consider only the good they might do. It's in the links in the posts. Some of the llinks are CDC links, where the medical tells the dangers of vaccines.

As far as drinking milk or alcohol, smoking, eating meat, etc., you are mistaken. If you have reasons why some of these things are bad for you, don't do them. They are good for some people.

There are loads of people who are heavy smokers and live even beyond 100 years. You can't go back and redo their lives without tobacco just to see if they would have lived longer.

[cestmoi]

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I see that your activity is 56 as of this writing. You are a Junior Member. The rules say that we are supposed to read the posts in a thread before posting. Nobody does it completely. So, you are forgiven.

Sorry about that

The point is, what I think, is irrelevant. Throughout the thread there are posts with links to all kinds of strong evidence that vaccines are dangerous. On top of that, vaccines probably do a lot less good than people think that they do... if you consider only the good they might do. It's in the links in the posts. Some of the llinks are CDC links, where the medical tells the dangers of vaccines.

As a Rotarian i do raise money to fund the End Polio campaign.
Please don't tell me that you believe that vacinating kids again polio (orally, not an injection) is dangerous.
Surely you have seen the stats from the 1960s of people dieing of polio or being disabled vs today.
But i also know that some of the vaccines developed in the last few years  are very controversial

As far as drinking milk or alcohol, smoking, eating meat, etc., you are mistaken. If you have reasons why some of these things are bad for you, don't do them. They are good for some people.

There are loads of people who are heavy smokers and live even beyond 100 years. You can't go back and redo their lives without tobacco just to see if they would have lived longer.

Sorry for the derailing, how can you say that milk is good for human when more than 70% of the population can't drink it.
Also, there are loads of people that had multiple vaccines and outlive the non vaxx people. This is not relevant.
The WHO and CDC also reported that smoking is detrimental for the health : https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/index.htm?s_cid=osh-stu-home-spotlight-001

So between 2 evils, i'd rather not smoke, not drink, being vegetarien and accept the small risk of getting "some" vaccines.

[BADecker]

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I see that your activity is 56 as of this writing. You are a Junior Member. The rules say that we are supposed to read the posts in a thread before posting. Nobody does it completely. So, you are forgiven.

Sorry about that

The point is, what I think, is irrelevant. Throughout the thread there are posts with links to all kinds of strong evidence that vaccines are dangerous. On top of that, vaccines probably do a lot less good than people think that they do... if you consider only the good they might do. It's in the links in the posts. Some of the llinks are CDC links, where the medical tells the dangers of vaccines.

As a Rotarian i do raise money to fund the End Polio campaign.
Please don't tell me that you believe that vacinating kids again polio (orally, not an injection) is dangerous.
Surely you have seen the stats from the 1960s of people dieing of polio or being disabled vs today.
But i also know that some of the vaccines developed in the last few years  are very controversial

As far as drinking milk or alcohol, smoking, eating meat, etc., you are mistaken. If you have reasons why some of these things are bad for you, don't do them. They are good for some people.

There are loads of people who are heavy smokers and live even beyond 100 years. You can't go back and redo their lives without tobacco just to see if they would have lived longer.

Sorry for the derailing, how can you say that milk is good for human when more than 70% of the population can't drink it.
Also, there are loads of people that had multiple vaccines and outlive the non vaxx people. This is not relevant.
The WHO and CDC also reported that smoking is detrimental for the health : https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/index.htm?s_cid=osh-stu-home-spotlight-001

So between 2 evils, i'd rather not smoke, not drink, being vegetarien and accept the small risk of getting "some" vaccines.

Probably the forum would shut down if people had to read every word of every thread they posted in.


Back around '77, I read a report that said that when the Salk vaccine failed or made things worse, they introduced the Sabin vaccine which did nothing (to keep things rolling after the Salk disaster), and then in 1960-1961 they redefined the symptoms for polio. Suddenly we had an outbreak of spinal meningitis, but polio was almost cured.


Babies really need milk.


The WHO and CDC are the forerunners of the money-making medical industry.


Are you afraid that the things that you read about how bad vaccines are for you... that they will cause you to smoke, drink, eat meat, and not get vaccinated?

[BADecker]

On average there were 29 deaths reported annually for fifteen years prior to the attack (2003 to 2017). In 2018 there were only 6 reported (to end of November 2018).


Merck's Recombivax Vaccine Shortage Causes Reduced Deaths In Babies – A Natural Experiment?

In the summer of 2017, a malware virus mainly affecting the Ukraine, found its way onto the mainframe computer systems of Merck wreaking havoc for the company. The malware was called “NotPetya,” referring to the ransomeware family Petya, which disables computer systems and demands a ransom to be paid in bitcoin before it will restore access to a company’s files. It is destructive and costly, something Merck was to find out as its sales and manufacturing operations were disrupted by the June 7th attack. According to the Wall Street Journal, the incident cost the pharmaceutical giant $670 million to remediate, but more importantly, it caused disruption to the production of two of Merck’s pediatric vaccines: Gardasil 9 (Human Papillomavirus) and Recombivax (Hepatitis B virus), vaccines to help prevent sexually transmitted infections.

During the crisis, Merck borrowed from a CDC vaccine stockpile, in order to meet supply commitments for Gardasil 9. However, that was not the case with Recombivax, the Hepatitis B vaccine given to all babies beginning the first day of life. There is no clear medical reason for giving every baby a vaccine against hepatitis B if its mother tests negative for the disease. Nevertheless, American babies receive three doses each, which is 12 million doses in any given year for the US alone. Following the cyber-attack, Merck was unable to meet this high demand, citing production problems.

The CDC acted quickly in asking GlaxoSmithkline to supply its Hep B vaccine Engerix-B, to meet the needs of the US market. The CDC published a notice about a shortage of Recombivax on July 28th 2017 on its website, stating that the vaccine would be unavailable as of early August 2017. GSK was able to supply a monovalent (single) vaccine for the birth dose and subsequent newborn doses. Doctors could give the pentavalent combination vaccine Pediarix to older babies, depending on supply.

Just prior to the ransomware attack, two scientists from Europe wrote to the FDA to express concern that recent research on aluminum adjuvants in vaccines suggested that these adjuvants were contributing to Autism Spectrum Disorder and other neurological disorders.

Merck initially expected to resume distributing Recombivax in February of 2018. However, this deadline came and went and the expected resumption of distribution was pushed back many times. Currently, the CDC is reporting that Recombivax will not be available until the middle of 2019, almost two years since the cyber-attack happened and without the public fully understanding why this particular vaccine was affected.

What are the wider ramifications of this incident? ...

[BADecker]

KING OF VACCINES COMES CLEAN! The world's leading authority on vaccines details the use of aborted babies in vaccines while under oath. For the full episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTIz7FpfuMw


KING OF VACCINES COMES CLEAN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NACBHtFMllA

[cestmoi]

What about  this article ?  Can you debunk it ?

The anti-vaccination debate was built on a lie, why do people still believe it?

OPINION: Another measles case has hit New Zealand, this time in the Bay of Plenty, adding to the six reported cases in the Waikato region in recent weeks.

Measles is a highly contagious, vaccine-preventable disease caused by the measles virus. It is associated with skin rashes and a high fever, and – in some cases – infection can lead to serious complications, including pneumonia, seizures, and even death.

In fact, no other vaccine-preventable disease has caused more deaths worldwide.

Vaccination programs prevented global measles deaths by an estimated 2.1 million between 2000 and 2017. Deaths decreased by 80 per cent in that time, but – thanks to vaccine hesitancy – those numbers have started to increase. As such, the growing anti-vaccination movement has recently been named one of the top 10 threats to global health in 2019 by the World Health Organisation (WHO).


So, how did a safe and effective procedure become something people actively avoid? The origin of these sentiments can be traced back to a single scientific study that has since been labelled fraudulent, manipulative, and unethical.
Despite widespread scientific condemnation, Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the paper, has not backed down from its conclusions, becoming the centre of the anti-vaxx movement and an advocate for distrust in science.

Falsified Research

Wakefield's original manuscript, published in 1998, described a link between measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccines and the onset of bowel disease and autism, which was based on data later shown to be either misrepresented or entirely falsified.

In addition to data inconsistencies, Wakefield failed to disclose that he had been paid more than £400,000 (NZD$769,660) by lawyers trying to prove the MMR vaccine was unsafe and children in the study were claimants of a pending lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers.

He also had previously filed a patent for an alternate measles vaccine, meaning he stood to benefit financially from discrediting the current MMR program.

Already having serious questions about the ethical motivation for his work, Wakefield proceeded to subject the children in his study to unnecessary invasive medical procedures, and he was later charged by the British General Medical Council with 12 counts of abuse to developmentally delayed children.

Citing dishonest and unethical behaviour, Wakefield was stripped of his medical licence and his research paper was retracted from publication in 2010. But, by then, the damage to society was already underway.

Wakefield Responds

In response to the exposure of his misdeeds, Wakefield went on the attack, staunchly defending himself from any wrongdoing. He lashed out at his critics by filing lawsuits against award-winning reporter Brian Deer and the British Medical Journal. In each instance, his lawsuits were thrown out, and Wakefield has been on the hook for each defendant's legal fees.

But rejection by the scientific community and justice systems has not stopped him. He continued his misinformation campaign, and, in 2016, released a film that paints himself as the victim of high-level conspiracies. His followers absorb these baseless claims, and continue to support his cause. One prominent anti-vaccine advocate has even proclaimed that, "to our community, Andrew Wakefield is Nelson Mandela and Jesus Christ rolled up into one".
Having "celebrity" status has allowed Wakefield to travel and preach his message of anti-vaccination and anti-science. In one instance, he travelled to the State of Minnesota to target its Somali community on the anti-vaccination movement. This campaign preceded Minnesota's largest measles outbreak in 30 years, with over 80 per cent of cases involving unvaccinated Somali-American children.

The Science is Clear

Wakefield is not the only person that has looked into vaccine safety. In science, a single published paper does not constitute a definitive fact. A study must be reproducible, and its results must be confirmed by further research before it is widely accepted.

In the case of Wakefield’s work, numerable follow up studies have been conducted, none of which have been able to reproduce his result. Moreover, a 2014 meta-analysis looking at over one million children supported the conclusion that there is absolutely no link between vaccines and autism.

However, this hasn't stopped the anti-vaxx movement from using scare tactics to propagate their message. One such technique attempts to outline the toxic chemicals that are contained in vaccines, pointing to compounds like formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.

While excessive formaldehyde exposure is most certainly dangerous, the residual amount in vaccines is significantly less than the levels naturally occurring in the body. In fact, a single pear has roughly 10 times more formaldehyde than any vaccine.

As with any medical procedure, there are always potential side effects. For vaccines, these side effects are rare and pale in comparison to those from actual vaccine-preventable infections. Thanks to vaccination, the WHO estimates 2.5 million deaths are prevented each year, and millions more are saved from injury and disability.

An unvaccinated child is not the only person put at risk, but the larger community as well. High vaccination rates help prevent outbreaks like the recent cases in Waikato, and they also help protect vulnerable people, such as those with medical conditions, immune deficiencies, or those who don’t respond to the vaccine.

The science is clear: in order to better protect the health of our community, we need to start by protecting ourselves.


author =
Joel Rindelaub, Ph.D. is a freelance writer and Research Fellow at the University of Auckland.

link to the article :
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/110136209/the-antivaccination-debate-was-built-on-a-lie-why-do-people-still-believe-it

[BADecker]

What about  this article ?  Can you debunk it ?

The anti-vaccination debate was built on a lie, why do people still believe it?

OPINION: Another measles case has hit New Zealand, this time in the Bay of Plenty, adding to the six reported cases in the Waikato region in recent weeks.

Measles is a highly contagious, vaccine-preventable disease caused by the measles virus. It is associated with skin rashes and a high fever, and – in some cases – infection can lead to serious complications, including pneumonia, seizures, and even death.

In fact, no other vaccine-preventable disease has caused more deaths worldwide.

Vaccination programs prevented global measles deaths by an estimated 2.1 million between 2000 and 2017. Deaths decreased by 80 per cent in that time, but – thanks to vaccine hesitancy – those numbers have started to increase. As such, the growing anti-vaccination movement has recently been named one of the top 10 threats to global health in 2019 by the World Health Organisation (WHO).


So, how did a safe and effective procedure become something people actively avoid? The origin of these sentiments can be traced back to a single scientific study that has since been labelled fraudulent, manipulative, and unethical.
Despite widespread scientific condemnation, Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the paper, has not backed down from its conclusions, becoming the centre of the anti-vaxx movement and an advocate for distrust in science.

Falsified Research

Wakefield's original manuscript, published in 1998, described a link between measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccines and the onset of bowel disease and autism, which was based on data later shown to be either misrepresented or entirely falsified.

In addition to data inconsistencies, Wakefield failed to disclose that he had been paid more than £400,000 (NZD$769,660) by lawyers trying to prove the MMR vaccine was unsafe and children in the study were claimants of a pending lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers.

He also had previously filed a patent for an alternate measles vaccine, meaning he stood to benefit financially from discrediting the current MMR program.

Already having serious questions about the ethical motivation for his work, Wakefield proceeded to subject the children in his study to unnecessary invasive medical procedures, and he was later charged by the British General Medical Council with 12 counts of abuse to developmentally delayed children.

Citing dishonest and unethical behaviour, Wakefield was stripped of his medical licence and his research paper was retracted from publication in 2010. But, by then, the damage to society was already underway.

Wakefield Responds

In response to the exposure of his misdeeds, Wakefield went on the attack, staunchly defending himself from any wrongdoing. He lashed out at his critics by filing lawsuits against award-winning reporter Brian Deer and the British Medical Journal. In each instance, his lawsuits were thrown out, and Wakefield has been on the hook for each defendant's legal fees.

But rejection by the scientific community and justice systems has not stopped him. He continued his misinformation campaign, and, in 2016, released a film that paints himself as the victim of high-level conspiracies. His followers absorb these baseless claims, and continue to support his cause. One prominent anti-vaccine advocate has even proclaimed that, "to our community, Andrew Wakefield is Nelson Mandela and Jesus Christ rolled up into one".
Having "celebrity" status has allowed Wakefield to travel and preach his message of anti-vaccination and anti-science. In one instance, he travelled to the State of Minnesota to target its Somali community on the anti-vaccination movement. This campaign preceded Minnesota's largest measles outbreak in 30 years, with over 80 per cent of cases involving unvaccinated Somali-American children.

The Science is Clear

Wakefield is not the only person that has looked into vaccine safety. In science, a single published paper does not constitute a definitive fact. A study must be reproducible, and its results must be confirmed by further research before it is widely accepted.

In the case of Wakefield’s work, numerable follow up studies have been conducted, none of which have been able to reproduce his result. Moreover, a 2014 meta-analysis looking at over one million children supported the conclusion that there is absolutely no link between vaccines and autism.

However, this hasn't stopped the anti-vaxx movement from using scare tactics to propagate their message. One such technique attempts to outline the toxic chemicals that are contained in vaccines, pointing to compounds like formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.

While excessive formaldehyde exposure is most certainly dangerous, the residual amount in vaccines is significantly less than the levels naturally occurring in the body. In fact, a single pear has roughly 10 times more formaldehyde than any vaccine.

As with any medical procedure, there are always potential side effects. For vaccines, these side effects are rare and pale in comparison to those from actual vaccine-preventable infections. Thanks to vaccination, the WHO estimates 2.5 million deaths are prevented each year, and millions more are saved from injury and disability.

An unvaccinated child is not the only person put at risk, but the larger community as well. High vaccination rates help prevent outbreaks like the recent cases in Waikato, and they also help protect vulnerable people, such as those with medical conditions, immune deficiencies, or those who don’t respond to the vaccine.

The science is clear: in order to better protect the health of our community, we need to start by protecting ourselves.


author =
Joel Rindelaub, Ph.D. is a freelance writer and Research Fellow at the University of Auckland.

link to the article :
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/110136209/the-antivaccination-debate-was-built-on-a-lie-why-do-people-still-believe-it

And the double blind studies are where?    

I’ve seen a lot of social media posts or comment threads that say we don’t have any studies to prove that the CDC’s vaccine schedule is safe or effective.|

As a pediatrician, the first time I read that, I was surprised. But now, I think I know what they mean.

I think they mean that we haven’t done the best study. Those of us in the scientific and medical fields frequently demand well-designed studies — like double-blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled trials — so why not apply that same requirement to vaccines? Why hasn’t anybody ever done that study?

[TECSHARE]

I have been noticing an increasing irrational hatred people are starting to have for "antivaxxers". One of my favorite things lately is to ask them which is more impactful? A tiny minority of "antivaxxers" or millions of unvaccinated immigrants from countries with poor medical standards flooding in? Heads explode with cognitive dissonance as they desperately scramble for excuses. The usual reaction is just accusations of racism.

[tvbcof]

I have been noticing an increasing irrational hatred people are starting to have for "antivaxxers". One of my favorite things lately is to ask them which is more impactful? A tiny minority of "antivaxxers" or millions of unvaccinated immigrants from countries with poor medical standards flooding in? Heads explode with cognitive dissonance as they desperately scramble for excuses. The usual reaction is just accusations of racism.

'They' feel that they can make the Southern 'darkies' inject anything into their kids.  That is why the solution to the anti-vaxxer problem is to "get rid of all the whites in the United States."

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyXuPwsLGWI

Lots of these hard-core vaxxer people seem to be serious ethnic supremacists who have no qualms about genocide as long as it is in their interest.  Beyond that, they seem to be on the cusp of jumping hosts to China whereupon the best thing which could happen to the U.S. is that it is invaded by 'migrants'.  Easier to slice it up and sell it off.  When every third male has autism it will be a trivial operation.

Once I concluded who pulled Trump's strings, and saw he had no inclination to make any changes in his historical controllers, I knew he was going to forget all about his campaign stumping about looking into vaccinations.  Sure enough.  You can count on Trump to stick his supporters in the ass on immigration, guns, wars for Israel, and pretty much any other project which is of importance to the chosen people.  You can also count on Trump's remaining supporters to convince themselves that Trump is just about to drain the swamp and turn things around.  'Trust the plan.'  Some of these people could be strung along for decades and never would be able to figure it out.

[BADecker]

I have been noticing an increasing irrational hatred people are starting to have for "antivaxxers". One of my favorite things lately is to ask them which is more impactful? A tiny minority of "antivaxxers" or millions of unvaccinated immigrants from countries with poor medical standards flooding in? Heads explode with cognitive dissonance as they desperately scramble for excuses. The usual reaction is just accusations of racism.

A wise man or a statesman (by the old meaning) might be able to take a look and see what is happening in overview fashion... like you have, and more.

It's all about getting the people to finance their own demise.

[BADecker]

'They' feel that they can make the Southern 'darkies' inject anything into their kids.  That is why the solution to the anti-vaxxer problem is to "get rid of all the whites in the United States."

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyXuPwsLGWI

It's interesting that MMS can cure lots of things. MMS is sodium chlorite (not sodium chloride). Activating it with vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid makes it powerful. Cures malaria in essentially 1 day, but more like 4 hours. No money in that.

https://mms-supplement.com/MMS_Part_1.pdf

[cestmoi]

'They' feel that they can make the Southern 'darkies' inject anything into their kids.  That is why the solution to the anti-vaxxer problem is to "get rid of all the whites in the United States."

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyXuPwsLGWI

It's interesting that MMS can cure lots of things. MMS is sodium chlorite (not sodium chloride). Activating it with vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid makes it powerful. Cures malaria in essentially 1 day, but more like 4 hours. No money in that.

https://mms-supplement.com/MMS_Part_1.pdf

I read the 84 pages of the books.
To be fair the MMS "looks" pretty awesome.

What surprise me if that Jim was making his MMS, it "worked".
But now, instead of selling it, he just warn people that he is not selling any, he is not endorsing the 2 manufacturers, and  that each bottle should be  tested to make sure it is a working solution.

Why no doing the MMS himself and selling it ?

IN his books he says that Arnold would not let him prepare the solution himself. Then he changed his mind in Africa because people want to see that the inventor believes in his product.
This is the same case here.

Hey guys, I'm Jim, this products works and treat almost everything. Just read my book !
I used to sell it, but i don't sell it anymore, but you can buy it with those two people that i don't endorse.
Oh, by the way, if it doesn't work, you should contact the manufacturer.


Has anyone tried MMS here ? any feedback ?
I'm quite keen t get some to try it out.

[BADecker]

'They' feel that they can make the Southern 'darkies' inject anything into their kids.  That is why the solution to the anti-vaxxer problem is to "get rid of all the whites in the United States."

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyXuPwsLGWI

It's interesting that MMS can cure lots of things. MMS is sodium chlorite (not sodium chloride). Activating it with vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid makes it powerful. Cures malaria in essentially 1 day, but more like 4 hours. No money in that.

https://mms-supplement.com/MMS_Part_1.pdf

I read the 84 pages of the books.
To be fair the MMS "looks" pretty awesome.

What surprise me if that Jim was making his MMS, it "worked".
But now, instead of selling it, he just warn people that he is not selling any, he is not endorsing the 2 manufacturers, and  that each bottle should be  tested to make sure it is a working solution.

Why no doing the MMS himself and selling it ?

IN his books he says that Arnold would not let him prepare the solution himself. Then he changed his mind in Africa because people want to see that the inventor believes in his product.
This is the same case here.

Hey guys, I'm Jim, this products works and treat almost everything. Just read my book !
I used to sell it, but i don't sell it anymore, but you can buy it with those two people that i don't endorse.
Oh, by the way, if it doesn't work, you should contact the manufacturer.


Has anyone tried MMS here ? any feedback ?
I'm quite keen t get some to try it out.

If you read the book, then you know that it is the chlorine dioxide that is the working chemical. Google it. Even Dupont sells it. There are all kinds of companies trying to get a handle on it chemically, to develop a "pill" to get it into your system to the right place where it can do some good.

As it is, chlorine dioxide is in the bleach wash that all kinds of companies use in cleaning their produce that they send to market. The quantity in solution is very small in parts per million. But, it is widely used all over the place in the developed countries... even in water purification in cities.

Consider Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide. If you want to see just how messed up Wikipedia can be, compare this site - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement - with the other.

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Friends:

As some of you know, there is a principle of 'informed consent' in the U.S. at this time (though certain groups seek to deprecate it.)  'Informed consent' means that you are entitled to information about what is injected into your body.  If you agree to the 'fine print' than whatever happens to you is on you.  The establishment is off the hook ethically.

The above is why you can, if you try hard enough, get the 'insert' which is pages of tiny print saying that, yes, vaccines can give you all kinds of problems like type-I diabetes and can cause death.  Also that a lot of studies have NOT been done...like understanding whether the vaccine is safe for pregnant women or whether it might cause 'reproductive system' harm.

Note that there is a new-ish strategy which involves the word 'biologics'.  You might be asked to sign a blanket agreement for a 'health care provider' to use 'biologics' on you as a condition of their providing any services to you.

Since vaccines include biologically derived material (human fetal cell lines, random pig viruses, etc) vaccines can be classified as 'biologics.'  The fact that they might also contain non-biological materials such as metals, soaps, embalming fluids, etc do not negate their classification as a 'biologic' agent.

  https://thevaccinereaction.org/2018/01/biologics-r-vaccines-beware-of-informed-consent/

Forewarned is forearmed.  Don't be one of the 95% who willingly stick their arm into the wood chipper just because 1% told you it was a good idea.