Haasonline Simple Trade Bot For BTCe and Bitstamp[Main topic]

[subhead]

thank you darrel.

[testik1]

Dear Stephan and everyone else,

I've been using the bot more of less for about a month now. I paid very dearly for it, nearly $400. For I've only lost money buying and using it. I'm happy that the software is being actively developed and supported, but I find the priorities lacking, and certainly I feel a bit put down for not yet even getting back on my own. My thoughts on all this:

FREEZE! STOP developing new features and new stuff until the basics are WORKING.


I don't want to be utterly negative, but I'm starting to lose my patience and humor. The simple trade bot is still very encumbered with bugs. Orders are not getting through, the bitstamp-api does not work and the bot keeps getting hung up and freezing.

I have had it crash repeatedly on several different exceptions (invalid nounce, array index out of bounds, unhandled exception, exception when btce returned "success", "object reference not set to an instance of object"..), the chart-component has severe flaws, some of the indicators don't seem to work the way they should, open orders aren't shown in list, bot is sending command to sell even if already sold etc.

As a minor detail, but still more important than new features, is that the usability isn't very good. Keyboard shortcuts are missing, the tab-order is messed up, labels and the functionality in general isn't very descriptive or clear. Good documentation is also missing


In my opinion there must be a very clear priority set up for fixing the bot. Only after it is in the very least reliably working (and preferaly finely polished) should there be any thought of accepting new feature requests or implementing any new stuff or indicators. We must first fix critical errors (eg. crashing, exceptions, orders not getting through, faulty indicators), annoying bugs (eg. chart component) and add only the extremely necessary features (eg. historical data).

Also, when users encounter bugs or errors or weird behavior (as reported even in this thread), it's not particularly helpful to tout that "it works perfectly, there is no bug". Au contraire, it is very likely there is indeed some underlying error, even if the problem couldn't be replicated. It should be noted, looked into, and if nothing is found it should be kept on record as a possible bug.


Even if this seems very judgemental, don't get me wrong: I do see a lot of potential in the bot and I have enjoyed playing with it. I just felt like reporting on the current state of the bot the way I see it to other people considering buying it. I'm sure one day it will be an immensely helpful and finely polished tool - but we're not quite there yet.

Have a good new week all,
  -t

[dldavis007]

Stephan,

I double checked my settings and found that I may have had the Signal MA set to 18 instead of 12 on my Indicator.  I plotted the charts again, and found that they are still a little different especially after the big dip.

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo175/dldavis007/BTCHistoricalchart_zpse9c5abf5.jpg

[krach]

testik1:
Keep in mind a lot of the problems you describe are api and exchange problems and the bot , but not the bot alone.

[RickJamesBTC]

There are so many questions and comments about the bot performance and strategy, but everything in those strategies is adjustable. This isn't automatic! (nothing is). I've been playing with it for a few days, and I'm really impressed by the software. I hope that the new version offers some more advanced options. I'd like to see perpetual signals, some sort of price / volume history database so that changes to strategies can show past performance, this is key.

If the bot isn't selling when you think it should be, look at the trade bot signals screen and find out what isn't checked.

If you don't want the bot to be buying off the next highest ask wall, add a price change indicator and push it higher, or add the rate of change so that it doesn't complete buy orders on slow declines.

[subhead]

There are so many questions and comments about the bot performance and strategy, but everything in those strategies is adjustable. This isn't automatic! (nothing is). I've been playing with it for a few days, and I'm really impressed by the software. I hope that the new version offers some more advanced options. I'd like to see perpetual signals, some sort of price / volume history database so that changes to strategies can show past performance, this is key.

If the bot isn't selling when you think it should be, look at the trade bot signals screen and find out what isn't checked.

If you don't want the bot to be buying off the next highest ask wall, add a price change indicator and push it higher, or add the rate of change so that it doesn't complete buy orders on slow declines.

i have big troubles to combine an price change indicator or an rate of change indicator. is someone so kind and could explain that to me a little bit? mainly i use a macd 10 21 or a macd 12 26 indicator with some success.

thanks, subhead

[Stephan224]

Hello everybody,

I just placed version 9.0.8 beta online. This new version will bring support for MtGox, improvements to the benchmark form and some minor bugfixes.

Like i told before, i have put the feature development for the STBot on HOLD until January. In January a new version will come with a new interface, new improved kernel and i will be launching a lot of new features. This new version will be a fully legal version without beta label (except initial release) and it has been build in cooperation with about 8 people. All these people are working on there own part, like documentation, interface, API core development, translations and so on.

Please do not worry about a update because i will give every Simple Trade Bot user a update in January. For the advanced bot i will offer a discounted price fore the people how already own the simple bot.

Enjoy the new release for now and enjoy trading a MtGox!

Edit:
Cryptopros has tested and compared 3 bots available in the market, the Simple Trade Bot is tested at #1!
http://www.cryptopros.com/p/bots.html

[krach]

I made a few videos for people to get some impressions of all of the features.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_EY0YnWpNE

[subhead]

Stehan thanks for the new version. Do you have addressed some of the cryptsy api errors with this update?

edit: i tested the new version and the cryptsy error is still there.

cheers,

[krach]

you mean that orders dont always go through at cryptsy? Yea that is a cryptsy problem I think.

[Stephan224]

I made a few videos for people to get some impressions of all of the features.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_EY0YnWpNE

Amazing video, thanks! Good show of all the features.

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About Cryptsy.... i have taken a look to the wallet reading and test procedure and i did find a very small bug (which is solved now). I also tried somebody else his API credentials who had problems. I tested everything working properly at my debug version. I am supriced to read this problem still exists.

If you are using Cryptsy and if you have a problem, please report them all to me (PM, ticket it doesn't matter). I want to know where you expect to see in coins (not how much, just the name btc, ltc, .... ) and if there are any other problems with Cryptsy. This way maybe i can detect a pattern at the problems. 

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BTW Did you all see "Indicators" tab-page already at the benchmark form? It is a big improvement to test different strategies.

[San1ty]

I made a few videos for people to get some impressions of all of the features.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_EY0YnWpNE

Amazing video, thanks! Good show of all the features.

Do you really like that video?

The music is downright annoying... Someone actually speaking and going through the features would be an informative video, but this is... worthless...

Don't get me wrong Krach, It's very nice that you put in an effort to help out.

This is just my objective opinion.

[glavmey]

Dear BTC China valued customer: To stabilize the recent turbulent Bitcoin market and minimize potential market manipulation, BTC China will end the 0% trading fee promotion, effective immediately, and revert to the 0.3% trading fee. We deeply apologize for the sudden change. BTC China, December 16, 2013

I can't change the fee settings myself, right? Any ETA for a small patch correcting the fee? 

[Stephan224]

@San1ty:
I did not like the music, but i liked the video. It shows a lot of the features and capabilities which i only can write down.

@glavmey:
I will get on this directly, thanks.

Edit: It has not been confirmed yet, i can not find a legal source beside some rumors.

[subhead]

you mean that orders dont always go through at cryptsy? Yea that is a cryptsy problem I think.

no i mean the problem that i cannot add the cryptsy api and only getting a error. And yes i have funds in my acoount.

[edgie13]

Cryptopros has tested and compared 3 bots available in the market, the Simple Trade Bot is tested at #1!
http://www.cryptopros.com/p/bots.html

Next release is cloud based?  Did Cryptopros let the cat out of the bag?

[glavmey]

@glavmey:
I will get on this directly, thanks.

Edit: It has not been confirmed yet, i can not find a legal source beside some rumors.

It's right on their site if you sign in to your account.
Screenshot: -removed-

[subhead]

Cryptopros has tested and compared 3 bots available in the market, the Simple Trade Bot is tested at #1!
http://www.cryptopros.com/p/bots.html

Next release is cloud based?  Did Cryptopros let the cat out of the bag?

haha i thought the same. nowadays cloud all over.

[dldavis007]

Stephan,

Thanks for the update.

Here is an interesting file I generated to test the indicators.

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo175/dldavis007/SimpleBotDataGen_zpsa01b130c.jpg

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8lAghR2mx24NFkydFl2bksta3c/edit?usp=sharing

[dldavis007]

Stephan,

   I'm really starting to have trust issues with your bot.  I'm setting here watching it trade with a PPO indicator selected (12 short, 26 long, 12 signal ma) and I notice that it is simply buying and then selling when the price gets slightly higher than the target sell price.  It then quickly buys again at a slightly higher price and sells again when the price is slightly higher than the target sell price.  All along it is ignoring the PPO indicator.  It made several buys and sells while not completing one cycle on the indicator.  This tells me that it is completely ignoring the indicator and just using the target sell price (I have the option selected to reset the Buy and Sell price after each sell).

Here is the trade log:

75   Buy   12/16/13 11:18 PM   650
128   Sell   12/16/13 11:36 PM      653.794
132   Buy   12/16/13 11:38 PM   655.5
157   Sell   12/16/13 11:46 PM      659.101
159   Buy   12/16/13 11:47 PM   663.99
168   Sell   12/16/13 11:51 PM      670.003
177   Buy   12/16/13 11:54 PM   674.078
180   Sell   12/16/13 11:55 PM      678.45
190   Buy   12/16/13 11:58 PM   686.5

If you notice, the times and intervals between the trades are too short for the indicator to swing back and forth to trigger the trades.

After noticing this problem I've deleted the indicator and set up a new PPO indicator just to see if it will start working.

The only thing that I can think of that may have caused this problem is I changed the "Trade Interval" after I had the indicator set up.  Is it possible that this may have caused the indicator to stop working?

Darrell