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July 30, 2018, 10:13:57 PM
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But definitely not a case of "one can only assume nefarious reasons"; there are plenty of innocent reasons for the premine to remain unlocked and some of them have been posted to this thread.

Duh, my bad. move funds provide private key, bam done. I assume nefarious because it is a simple and quick thing to prove and he has not proven it.

And as far as locking the pre-mine, well thats just another lie no matter "the reasons".

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By lying about the ASIC change they not only caused the value to drop because of inflation but alienated a large segment of their base that would have bought those asics and didn't or even worse SOLD those asics at a loss only to find out they were planning all along not to change the algo and kept it from the community.
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I was pretty butthurt about the reversal on ASIC-resistance, too, but that was >1 month ago and I've since gotten over it. Furthermore, CaptDero did explain why he decided to stick with CNv0, and while I still don't entirely agree with his reasons, I do think his reasons are, well, reasonable.



It's pretty hard "To get over" something so impactful as changing the POW as it effects the entire economy. I can see how you can get over it easier as now you are more embedded in the project but making an announcement and then just ignoring that announcement and the fact people make economic choices based on that information is criminal behavior. And yes it is criminal. If any security manager in the world made an announcement that affected price and then did not follow through without even an attempt of forewarning their investors they would be in front of a judge. He is lucky he is anonymous and I recommend he stay so.

But It is your choice whether to get over it or not and it is everyone elses choice, no amount of yelling at each other is going to change that fact. I do not disagree with the argument to stay cryptonote, that is not the point. the point is how it was handled. If it was announce right away so people could plan accordingly as soon as it was decided then sure it's easy to get over but if it was used to prop up the price while the pre-mine was being dumped then thats another thing altogether. And right now we do not know if that is what happened.

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Duh, my bad. move funds provide private key, bam done. I assume nefarious because it is a simple and quick thing to prove and he has not proven it.
Captain proved it by moving the funds within the wallet in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg42075270#msg42075270. Everyone can check it with the publicly available viewkey f221cf4f77d11f0061f3e4c9615540cbc2d2d532ac2f08c623d2a72ad0145d702b7e5941737e041 6eebaba30c3c30b517a14db1efa9aa13b119e31c380313603.

What is your hidden agenda behind this FUD? I do not believe you are trying to warn fellow members out of the goodness of your heart.  Wink

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I'm one of those people who have been watching Dero from the first days and have so much hope looking for a revolutional coin that would hugely contribute to the crypto world.

But I was wrong.

The first impression about Captain Dero from those first days is that he cared too much about the price. And now I realize it's true that he really does care for price the most, not the code, not the revolution, privacy or something. He's a dictator that ban two people who help the project a lot.

I 100% believe in Serena Fox and Mojo. They are great people with passion, knowledge and are so honest. I feel grateful that instead of co operate with Captain, they stand up and tell us the truth. And you guys too should feel grateful that they did tell us the truth, that crypto world has these people.

Dero was my biggest bag, my biggest hope. I remember how hard the days I have been through to earn a few coins daily for months, hoping for the best. But now it's nearly all gone. I had to sell it all, and I believe the decline in price will continue for a long time.

Be mad at me, I still dare to say the truth, too. It's really, really sad to say goodbye to my old Dero friend. Good luck to all you guys.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

To whom Captain, Dero’s lead developer feels it does not concern,

This is an urgent message from Serena, and Mojo to the DERO community. When Mojo and I started with DERO (at different times) we did so with the understanding that DERO was a community based project (https://github.com/deroproject/documentation/blob/master/WhitePaper.md - https://imgur.com/a/7YuroN5 and more archived in various public places). We joined after communicating with Captain that we have a strong personal focus on the ideologies surrounding the field of cryptography (https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html), outstanding morals, promising technology, and the goal of helping as many people as we were able to while growing and learning ourselves.

Mojo and I recently discovered that Captain has to date no intention of locking the DERO premine (https://imgur.com/a/I2eKS94) and instead intends to disregard both the originally stated intentions of DERO (https://github.com/deroproject/documentation/blob/master/WhitePaper.md) and the more recent public promises to lock the premine when Atlantis launched and we had confirmation of the actual block times. Worse, Captain intends to propose an ongoing agreement with John McAffee (https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/887024683379544065?lang=en) for an ongoing piece of the premine (https://imgur.com/a/hYuzSXS). This is Captain’s proposed version of aggressive marketing, while Serena was pushing for https://wachsman.com/. In order for a leading blockchain marketing company to pick up DERO, they require that the team meet its commitments in all areas, including transparency, roadmap goals, communication, and how teams deal with issues. Captain did not want to meet that criteria (which was discussed frequently and grouped in with exchange discussions), and was unwilling to explore Serena’s option further, proclaimed John “the best”, and opted instead for the John McAffee route. This is an example of Serena making a gentle, and valid suggestion regarding a legitimate company, and having it passed over entirely. (1/3 https://imgur.com/a/IRzOFes 2/3 https://imgur.com/a/O3Dgzk1 3/3 https://imgur.com/a/I2eKS94)

On July.3/2018 I, Serena, spoke internally directly with Captain, obviously not for the first time, to explain there were communication issues, disregard for the community, and things needed to change. (https://imgur.com/a/35o4rGn).

On July.4/2018, the following day Serena stated exasperation with the communication issues, Captain announced information to the public that he deemed the team did not need to know early, and when we started out concern again, it was again brushed aside. (https://imgur.com/a/HPuZt8G)

As the communication issues, and general disregard for the community got worse, so did the concern from Mojo and Serena. Captain was making an entirely centralized decision regarding who would be added to the DERO Community Advisory Board, and Serena spent hours trying to explain that was not appropriate for the DERO core team (Captain 100% exclusively) to form this for the community with the intention of controlling membership. Serena also showed deep concern when she asked “What will the DERO core team do in the event of a strong disagreement with the DCAB when they have an overwhelming consensus?”. This question went unanswered after multiple attempts to gain an answer. This is just an example of the type of very valid and simple questions that went chronically unanswered nearly 100% of the time for both DERO community members. (1/2 https://imgur.com/a/tN5M5hd 2/2 and Captain claiming the DCAB is decentralized https://imgur.com/a/7VDrmQ8)

In fact, many of the core members including Mojo and Serena had no idea who even joined the DCAB as Captain invited people at will without so much as mentioning he would be doing so to the DERO community team.

Core member spends 1 full month building http://stats.atlantis.dero.live/ for free and Captain won’t even bother to respond to him (https://imgur.com/a/3O5XxMh). More long term members with no knowledge even after the DCAB formed (1/2 https://imgur.com/a/IZvW8bh 2/2 https://imgur.com/a/4rTAmxu)

Captain blatantly lying to the entire communication for no reason regarding the reason Serena left (to prove a valid point) - https://imgur.com/a/pyfMIhu

Captain ignoring ongoing communication issues as it relates to a Bittrex listing and ultimately refuses to change his way to the detriment of the community - https://imgur.com/a/c0vHBsl

Serena discovers that DERO had a 3.07 minute block time for 204 days from launch until Atlantis released on the mainnet. Serena has been trying to solve core issues quietly since the first day she joined with ethical and polite disclosure, and even with offers of proof, her discovery of major flaws is ignored on more than one occasion. (https://imgur.com/a/XQND80b) - this resulted in somewhere around a 35% reduction in block rewards for all miners from Day 1 to Day 204 and Captain refused to acknowledge, fix the problem, or even inform the community.

A similar issue exists in Atlantis in a new form. Captain had originally announced that they expected the topoheight (side blocks) to increase at a rate of around 10% - 15% faster than the “block height”. In reality, the network is producing around 30 - 50% more side blocks (topoheight) than normal blocks, and distributing the associated additional rewards. Further, Captain publicly stated that the developers would change the DERO emission curve to make it less profitable for current ASIC miners giving others a greater opportunity in the future. These changes unfortunately never went into effect, or were so minimal that we have an increased emission rate, not a decreased one. This is on top of the 3.07 minute block times we had for 204 days. (https://imgur.com/a/WWVaWF1)

This is Serena and Mojo informing the community that we’ve been trying to work on things politely and internally since day 1 of each of us joining DERO respectively. However, since Captain is going to spend the premine early, and change the originally stated terms, we felt that this showed the ultimate disrespect for the community collectively, their ideals, and the individuals who support DERO.

Serena - DERO community manager
Mojo - DERO team
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July 31, 2018, 02:08:06 AM
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I think you did a mistake, because Captain never cared about Dero price, only Serena push the marketing earlier.

A good news, look like Captain is listening the community through DCAB members, but at least he listen.

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Hello everyone,

This is Mat from DERO community advisory board (DCAB). DCAB provides a feedback and non-binding strategic and tactical advice to the management of the Dero Foundation staff. DCAB members can participate in or organize any communal activities on a voluntary basis and coordinate with the Foundation staff but they are not part of the it.

My personal points:

I am glad to see a lot of people here and share their talent thinking regarding on this project. Whether the points are postive or negative are all welcome to my mind.

When I came to DERO, the structure of community had serious problem that only two people had contact with DERO core devs which may have a high risk of distorting the intention of core devs. Now we have 13 DCAB members on a voluntary basis, I believe that with this kind of structure, we can have an objective feedback from now on.

I would also like to point out that DERO core team always ask us wait and see what they deliver and prefer the discussion of technology rather than "proving they are innocent". So please think how much percentage has already been achieved right now, especially reqeust you think of the advantage of Atlantis.

As far as I know that DERO proejct will deliver the GUI wallet and update the official website soon, this can help some people who have less technical background have the possbility to access DERO, this means DERO core team start to think the eco-system with the "robust infrastructure"(i.e. Atlantis) delivered.

I hope all the friends who love this project can join us to celebrate achievement while the day comes.

The end is well all is well. Nothing can stop DERO project moving forward at this point.

BR.
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July 31, 2018, 04:00:38 AM
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do you need any community manager, I can introduce you to someone, Chinese/Italy/French
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July 31, 2018, 06:37:01 AM
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If dev keeps on with development, and delivering, then with a good marketing everything should be on track

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July 31, 2018, 06:43:36 AM
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Duh, my bad. move funds provide private key, bam done. I assume nefarious because it is a simple and quick thing to prove and he has not proven it.
Captain proved it by moving the funds within the wallet in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg42075270#msg42075270. Everyone can check it with the publicly available viewkey f221cf4f77d11f0061f3e4c9615540cbc2d2d532ac2f08c623d2a72ad0145d702b7e5941737e041 6eebaba30c3c30b517a14db1efa9aa13b119e31c380313603.

What is your hidden agenda behind this FUD? I do not believe you are trying to warn fellow members out of the goodness of your heart.  Wink
Funny to see this legendary member who is regular poster in other cryptonote coin don't know how cryptonote works.
Feeling threatened by Dero tech.  

DERO: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508)
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July 31, 2018, 08:09:20 AM
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Thats great to see were slowly getting all the answers everyone wanted to see and the questions are being answered and the doubt is slowly going away to the ones that still thinks this is a scam coin, there always a chance for it to be a scam but i highly doubt this is the case with Dero. as a friend of mine asked me, why would a small cap coin with small trade volume would get so much attention ? why so many people are trying to take this project down ? maybe because there is something that can make a HUGE difference in the Private Coin Department :-)
so if you think its a scam and feel like your not safe with your investment you can always sell and move on and if you do believe this coin is going to be a major player in the Privacy market, the price now is a steal !!!


Yes, agreed!
I don not believe that this is a scam coin too, you know? I feel like people are being overly harsh on all the new /small-time projects because they have been burnt in the past. maybe the recent news are going to get them more open-minded, you know?
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July 31, 2018, 11:55:22 AM
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GUI wallet preview.  Wallet is currently under testing (by me and others).  Expect some changes before final release.  Here is a preview of how things look now.















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nice work  Grin
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GUI wallet preview.  Wallet is currently under testing (by me and others).  Expect some changes before final release.  Here is a preview of how things look now.

















Nice these wallets looking good.  Not sure about the colors but thats not a big issue lol.  Looks clean and easy to use though, at least from what it looks like through these pictures.. i am happy its finally arriving its been a long time without gui wallet, but of course not a big deal since this code was build from scratch instead of simple copy paste.
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August 01, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
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What is the stage of your pre-sale?I feel that your project has many supporters, which is very popular and impressive.
I will keep following your development progress

There is no presale. Dero is publicly traded at https://tradeogre.com/exchange/BTC-DERO and https://app.stocks.exchange/en/basic-trade/pair/BTC/DERO/1D -- the main net has been live for months, and is under constant development and improvement.
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What is the stage of your pre-sale?I feel that your project has many supporters, which is very popular and impressive.
I will keep following your development progress

There is no presale. Dero is publicly traded at https://tradeogre.com/exchange/BTC-DERO and https://app.stocks.exchange/en/basic-trade/pair/BTC/DERO/1D -- the main net has been live for months, and is under constant development and improvement.

That was a nonsense post because gailunfei copied it from another thread. And is usually the case when I spot plagiarizers, I reported he/she/it.

Nuke 'em, Dan-o!
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GUI wallet preview.  Wallet is currently under testing (by me and others).  Expect some changes before final release.  Here is a preview of how things look now.



what does clicking on the "smart contract" button do?
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Duh, my bad. move funds provide private key, bam done. I assume nefarious because it is a simple and quick thing to prove and he has not proven it.
Captain proved it by moving the funds within the wallet in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg42075270#msg42075270. Everyone can check it with the publicly available viewkey f221cf4f77d11f0061f3e4c9615540cbc2d2d532ac2f08c623d2a72ad0145d702b7e5941737e041 6eebaba30c3c30b517a14db1efa9aa13b119e31c380313603.

What is your hidden agenda behind this FUD? I do not believe you are trying to warn fellow members out of the goodness of your heart.  Wink

Proving the funds are there does not prove they were never dumped and returned.

And no, I don't have any hidden agenda. I was thinking of buying into this coin but never did. I do my diligence and was keeping an eye on this one as I do many coin threads.

I have warned of many scams and hopefully n00bs have listened to my advice over the years and not gotten scammed because of it.

I'm sorry you live in a world where you believe everyone has ulterior motives. I really wanted this to be on the up and up as I want something on the cutting edge to support as Monero has gone mainstream but unfortunately it does not look like this is on the up and up.


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I 100% believe in Serena Fox and Mojo. They are great people with passion, knowledge and are so honest.

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I'm not so sure about this, they were paid and kept silent after they should have spoken up so there's no angel wings in this for them.


Hello everyone,

This is Mat from DERO community advisory board (DCAB). DCAB provides a feedback and non-binding strategic and tactical advice to the management of the Dero Foundation staff. DCAB members can participate in or organize any communal activities on a voluntary basis and coordinate with the Foundation staff but they are not part of the it.

My personal points:

I am glad to see a lot of people here and share their talent thinking regarding on this project. Whether the points are postive or negative are all welcome to my mind.

When I came to DERO, the structure of community had serious problem that only two people had contact with DERO core devs which may have a high risk of distorting the intention of core devs. Now we have 13 DCAB members on a voluntary basis, I believe that with this kind of structure, we can have an objective feedback from now on.

I would also like to point out that DERO core team always ask us wait and see what they deliver and prefer the discussion of technology rather than "proving they are innocent". So please think how much percentage has already been achieved right now, especially reqeust you think of the advantage of Atlantis.

As far as I know that DERO proejct will deliver the GUI wallet and update the official website soon, this can help some people who have less technical background have the possbility to access DERO, this means DERO core team start to think the eco-system with the "robust infrastructure"(i.e. Atlantis) delivered.

I hope all the friends who love this project can join us to celebrate achievement while the day comes.

The end is well all is well. Nothing can stop DERO project moving forward at this point.

BR.
Mat

I just don't see how this project can move forward without the pre-mine being openly addressed. If it is handled correctly then this coin has a chance but otherwise it is going to continue to go straight down the shitter.

It may not be what the holders want to hear but its just a fact. Your not going to get new support after the multiple disasters and Lies that have been perpetrated upon the community.

I'm not so sure about this, they were paid and kept silent after they should have spoken up so there's no angel wings in this for them. on the community.

There must be reparations and transparency for any forgiveness and trust to be reestablished.


Funny to see this legendary member who is regular poster in other cryptonote coin don't know how cryptonote works.
Feeling threatened by Dero tech.  

How foolish, I will just buy some if I think it is worth it. It is not at the moment, that may change in the future. Dero's cap is a joke, do you think and holder of a large cap coin is worried about this taking the cap away? Thats ludicrous. If I thought it was a "threat" I would buy it now or even yesterday but it's not and its just going to crash and burn until the lies are taken care of.

Making new community managers and new promises does not fix the past lies, all it does is hold off the idiots a little longer while you try to get a good P&D in before the flameout. Hence "Mcafee".

GUI wallet preview.  Wallet is currently under testing (by me and others).  Expect some changes before final release.  Here is a preview of how things look now.



what does clicking on the "smart contract" button do?

Says "hello world"?

J/K I would guess it's a placeholder as they are supposed to be on the roadmap. One of the reasons I found this interesting in the first place.

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GUI wallet preview.  Wallet is currently under testing (by me and others).  Expect some changes before final release.  Here is a preview of how things look now.



what does clicking on the "smart contract" button do?

Nothing yet, it is just a placeholder at the moment.
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Proving the [premine] funds are there does not prove they were never dumped and returned.

Technically true, though I'm not sure what the point would be to dump the premine then return it... I otherwise totally agree that the premine needs to be relocked and a disbursement schedule released ASAP.

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I have warned of many scams and hopefully n00bs have listened to my advice over the years and not gotten scammed because of it.

Your post history supports your claims; you've definitely done good work here. I do think you've jumped the gun a bit with Dero, but I won't argue that the missteps made over the last few months certainly look questionable. However, the sheer amount of work that has gone into the core technology of Dero is a powerful argument this is no scam; I'm sure I don't have to tell you that scams typically don't bother with anything more than slapping some proverbial lipstick on the pig when it comes to trotting out a product for shilling.


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I 100% believe in Serena Fox and Mojo. They are great people with passion, knowledge and are so honest.

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I'm not so sure about this, they were paid and kept silent after they should have spoken up so there's no angel wings in this for them.

That's my assessment, too. Also, the twitter campaign that Serena promoted in mid-May sure looks curiously timed in retrospect as it was done well before Atlantis was to be released. Why do a twitter campaign when there is nothing new on the immediate horizon? Perhaps because you know the actual product announcement is going to go over like a lead balloon and want to unload your bags at a decent price. But that's just the tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist in me.


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August 02, 2018, 11:38:11 AM
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In General, I was very interested in the project DERO and just started to study the concept . Tell me please, is there any kind of earnings, perhaps payment for some work done? I really want to take part in this
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