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July 29, 2018, 12:55:45 PM
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Missing part

http://i63.tinypic.com/2znzo5i.png


Hi, all. I saw the posting regarding pre-mined balance on the ANN page #1.
First, I am here not to create FUD or anything.
I just tried to generate the way Captain took the screenshot. That screenshot doesn't show any SPENT balance on the pre-mined wallet. The actual balance could be as it is shown or it could be "0" or anything in between. Anyone with their own wallet (which is spent before) can try to generate both "Full Wallet" and "Watch-able View Key Only wallet"; and compare the result.

Please check the following screenshot for my generated wallets:

https://i.imgur.com/MhWEFJ2.jpg

Transparency is the key for any coin to success. Many with FUD will come here to refute any technological development if the development team is not transparent.

Therefore, my suggestion to this problem is:
1. Send some amount of Dero to other wallet from the pre-mined wallet. The amount doesn't matter. It can be 1 Dero or 0.01 Dero. (you're welcome to use my address at dERonmJchVsaVD6mMxGPbeFmfwkQpdj8vGtfCxqv1xzrNHtw874QyAeEqUsN3k7sTW2ifpASftUQqKr hsavSwMK98PThnxYbXZ)
2. Re-generate wallet using "Full" spent key which shows at least 1 spent transaction.
3. Screenshot and change ANN page #1

FTFY

https://i.imgur.com/MhWEFJ2.jpg

Valid concern that should be addressed.

Captain is online now and is CAN provide unsigned key-images to prove balance but refuses to and is planning on locking this thread and ban people who ask in their channels (me included) and only keep those who repeat after him


https://i.imgur.com/CczaSrb.png



There were many dirty taints on this, not only guys attitude and his unwillingness to cooperate with automated scam hunting module (ASHM) running across the forum like a fucking sheriff whom I authorized to conduct justice,




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July 29, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
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There were many dirty taints on this, not only guys attitude and his unwillingness to cooperate with automated scam hunting module (ASHM) running across the forum like a fucking sheriff whom I authorized to conduct justice,

CaptDero agreed to keep this ANN thread open, so either you aren't paying attention or you are selectively quoting to push an agenda. I'm all for rational skepticism, but don't have much interest in those with an axe to grind.

Also, I've never heard of "automated scam hunting module"; source?

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July 29, 2018, 02:50:43 PM
Last edit: July 29, 2018, 11:18:54 PM by skyatbtf
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Hello Guys,

When FUD comes around us these days, espeicically those crazy insane people tried using every dirty methond to attack the project. Now what happend?

DONE:
1. 20th July, Dero soucre code provides to external devleoper for the purpose of reviewing (ask develpers don't spread it out)

2. 23rd July - 25th July, source code leaked that some of the devlepoers don't follow the contract.

3. 29th July - Dero source code officialy provides to public.

TO DO:
4. GUI wallet will come at early August.

5. Smart contract will be delivered at Q4.

6. Foundation will be established soon.


Where are those dirty FUDer?  Buy Dero at low price?
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July 29, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
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Now what ??!!!!! all you Fud makers, trash talking that had no faith dumped all you coins and gave us the smart ones a wonderful chance to grab some more Dero at a price you can only find on Black Friday, so thank you all for not having the faith in this project and selling all your coins, Dero is and was a legit project from day one.
now why all the fud making for such a small coin that not a lot of people know about and why so many attacks from all over ? maybe something is making them uncertain about their future due to being threatened by Dero, Captain and his Vision ? maybe this will be in the top 10 coins in the future ? think about it. monero started just like that, fud and lots of hate but in the end that disappeared just as all the fud of Dero will as time goes by.

Dont be Fooled by FUD is the lesson we should all learn. 

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July 30, 2018, 02:44:42 AM
Last edit: July 30, 2018, 03:21:51 AM by Hueristic
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https://github.com/deroproject/derosuite

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July 30, 2018, 05:34:13 AM
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Now what ??!!!!! all you Fud makers, trash talking that had no faith dumped all you coins and gave us the smart ones a wonderful chance to grab some more Dero at a price you can only find on Black Friday, so thank you all for not having the faith in this project and selling all your coins, Dero is and was a legit project from day one.
now why all the fud making for such a small coin that not a lot of people know about and why so many attacks from all over ? maybe something is making them uncertain about their future due to being threatened by Dero, Captain and his Vision ? maybe this will be in the top 10 coins in the future ? think about it. monero started just like that, fud and lots of hate but in the end that disappeared just as all the fud of Dero will as time goes by.

Dont be Fooled by FUD is the lesson we should all learn. 

As you say we know Dero is legit from day one. Source of this FUD is probably those who are threatened by Dero, Captain and his Vision. Wishing dero to be in top 10 as there is no native blockchain project working on cryptonote privacy and smart contracts.  DERO = Monero + Ethereum.  Monero part is completed.  it is very huge news now source is open for everyone after external developers review.
Best of luck to dero team.

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July 30, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
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Now what ??!!!!! all you Fud makers, trash talking that had no faith dumped all you coins and gave us the smart ones a wonderful chance to grab some more Dero at a price you can only find on Black Friday, so thank you all for not having the faith in this project and selling all your coins, Dero is and was a legit project from day one.
now why all the fud making for such a small coin that not a lot of people know about and why so many attacks from all over ? maybe something is making them uncertain about their future due to being threatened by Dero, Captain and his Vision ? maybe this will be in the top 10 coins in the future ? think about it. monero started just like that, fud and lots of hate but in the end that disappeared just as all the fud of Dero will as time goes by.

Dont be Fooled by FUD is the lesson we should all learn. 

As you say we know Dero is legit from day one. Source of this FUD is probably those who are threatened by Dero, Captain and his Vision. Wishing dero to be in top 10 as there is no native blockchain project working on cryptonote privacy and smart contracts.  DERO = Monero + Ethereum.  Monero part is completed.  it is very huge news now source is open for everyone after external developers review.
Best of luck to dero team.

please give credit to bitcoin as well.
e.g. DERO = Bitcoin x ByteCoin x Monero x Ethereum etc  Grin
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July 30, 2018, 07:22:06 AM
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Captain is online now and is CAN provide unsigned key-images to prove balance but refuses to and is planning on locking this thread and ban people who ask in their channels (me included) and only keep those who repeat after him


Proof of the bolded?

Proof that he can: CryptoNote

He refuses: he just simply stops answering for days

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I forgot... Do you see my glasses anywhere?

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I forgot... Do you see my glasses anywhere?
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July 30, 2018, 08:28:48 AM
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Now what ??!!!!! all you Fud makers, trash talking that had no faith dumped all you coins and gave us the smart ones a wonderful chance to grab some more Dero at a price you can only find on Black Friday, so thank you all for not having the faith in this project and selling all your coins, Dero is and was a legit project from day one.
now why all the fud making for such a small coin that not a lot of people know about and why so many attacks from all over ? maybe something is making them uncertain about their future due to being threatened by Dero, Captain and his Vision ? maybe this will be in the top 10 coins in the future ? think about it. monero started just like that, fud and lots of hate but in the end that disappeared just as all the fud of Dero will as time goes by.

Dont be Fooled by FUD is the lesson we should all learn. 

As you say we know Dero is legit from day one. Source of this FUD is probably those who are threatened by Dero, Captain and his Vision. Wishing dero to be in top 10 as there is no native blockchain project working on cryptonote privacy and smart contracts.  DERO = Monero + Ethereum.  Monero part is completed.  it is very huge news now source is open for everyone after external developers review.
Best of luck to dero team.

please give credit to bitcoin as well.
e.g. DERO = Bitcoin x ByteCoin x Monero x Ethereum etc  Grin

 Credit goes to DERO = Bitcoin x ByteCoin x Monero x Ethereum etc  Grin

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July 30, 2018, 08:55:58 AM
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FUD Formula:
FUD = AD + NT + NAeP + CPiT + URP + NSC + PoR

FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt
AD: Anonymous Developer
NT: Non-Transparency (e.g. unlocked pre-mined wallet / secretly transferring out the pre-mined balance)
NAeP: Not addressing existing Problem correctly (e.g. uncontrolled block/side-block generation, coin emission is not as per whitepaper.)
CPiT: Communication problem among team member (e.g. key team member(s) suddenly left)
URP: Unreleased Product
NSC: No Source Code Released
PoR: Personal Level of Risk-Tolerance

I think it's logical and normal to have some FUD in this project. Once all components are removed, the FUD will be gone by itself.
Currently buying Dero is like gambling with your money. If you can't afford to lose your money, please stay away and watch. Otherwise, let's FOMO, cross our finger and support the development team so that they can deliver the new crypto tech.
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July 30, 2018, 09:23:00 AM
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Fuds will never stop even bitcoin and ethereum still has fud after years.
Can't you see why /r/No. One Coin needs censors and mods.
Fudder will keep fudding even after Dero reaches 100$  just like they still call Ethereum a scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707237.0




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July 30, 2018, 09:35:10 AM
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- Sourse code released : https://github.com/deroproject/derosuite

- Comunication with team  is good ( you can talk with dev and team directly on discord : https://discord.gg/tt7Q5FP )

- Soon DERO foundation, with list of member team

- More risk , More profit

Dero is a startup, project with good fundamental




FUD Formula:
FUD = AD + NT + NAeP + CPiT + URP + NSC + PoR

FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt
AD: Anonymous Developer
NT: Non-Transparency (e.g. unlocked pre-mined wallet / secretly transferring out the pre-mined balance)
NAeP: Not addressing existing Problem correctly (e.g. uncontrolled block/side-block generation, coin emission is not as per whitepaper.)
CPiT: Communication problem among team member (e.g. key team member(s) suddenly left)
URP: Unreleased Product
NSC: No Source Code Released
PoR: Personal Level of Risk-Tolerance

I think it's logical and normal to have some FUD in this project. Once all components are removed, the FUD will be gone by itself.
Currently buying Dero is like gambling with your money. If you can't afford to lose your money, please stay away and watch. Otherwise, let's FOMO, cross our finger and support the development team so that they can deliver the new crypto tech.
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July 30, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
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FUD Formula:
FUD = AD + NT + NAeP + CPiT + URP + NSC + PoR

FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt
AD: Anonymous Developer
NT: Non-Transparency (e.g. unlocked pre-mined wallet / secretly transferring out the pre-mined balance)
NAeP: Not addressing existing Problem correctly (e.g. uncontrolled block/side-block generation, coin emission is not as per whitepaper.)
CPiT: Communication problem among team member (e.g. key team member(s) suddenly left)
URP: Unreleased Product
NSC: No Source Code Released
PoR: Personal Level of Risk-Tolerance

I think it's logical and normal to have some FUD in this project. Once all components are removed, the FUD will be gone by itself.
Currently buying Dero is like gambling with your money. If you can't afford to lose your money, please stay away and watch. Otherwise, let's FOMO, cross our finger and support the development team so that they can deliver the new crypto tech.

@yss105 Can you add NBS + NF + OD fields in your formula. It will add more weight and credibility to your formula esle you are also spreading fudd.
NBS: New Blockchain from scratch , yeah Dero has written new blockchain from scratch.
NF: Not Fork  , Yeah Dero is not fork. Its original.  How many coins you see which are not forks.
OD: Original Developers.  Yeah Dero have original developers and maintainers.

 Have Fun, you cannot stop Dero.

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July 30, 2018, 11:41:25 AM
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FUD Formula:
FUD = AD + NT + NAeP + CPiT + URP + NSC + PoR

FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt
AD: Anonymous Developer
NT: Non-Transparency (e.g. unlocked pre-mined wallet / secretly transferring out the pre-mined balance)
NAeP: Not addressing existing Problem correctly (e.g. uncontrolled block/side-block generation, coin emission is not as per whitepaper.)
CPiT: Communication problem among team member (e.g. key team member(s) suddenly left)
URP: Unreleased Product
NSC: No Source Code Released
PoR: Personal Level of Risk-Tolerance

I think it's logical and normal to have some FUD in this project. Once all components are removed, the FUD will be gone by itself.
Currently buying Dero is like gambling with your money. If you can't afford to lose your money, please stay away and watch. Otherwise, let's FOMO, cross our finger and support the development team so that they can deliver the new crypto tech.

@yss105 Can you add NBS + NF + OD fields in your formula. It will add more weight and credibility to your formula esle you are also spreading fudd.
NBS: New Blockchain from scratch , yeah Dero has written new blockchain from scratch.
NF: Not Fork  , Yeah Dero is not fork. Its original.  How many coins you see which are not forks.
OD: Original Developers.  Yeah Dero have original developers and maintainers.

 Have Fun, you cannot stop Dero.

Good points. But your additional components are actually good factors that create FOMO instead of adding more FUD

FOMO = NBS + NF + OD

FOMO: Fear of Missing Out

If FOMO > FUD then [People will buy and price will go up]
If FOMO < FUD then [People will sell and price will go down]
If FOMO = FUD ---->>>> Stagnant.

I am not trying to stop Dero. I support Dero. But if I can contribute to make/push it to be more open/transparent it'll be better for the community as a whole.
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July 30, 2018, 05:39:24 PM
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Boys and girls it's not FUD if it's true.

Where is the proof that the premine is still intact?

It is a simple thing to provide a veiwkey.

Since it is not being provided one can only assume nefarious reasons.

This is a logical conclusion as it is a fact that this DEV team has lied to the community already.

It does not matter if they lied through the community managers as well or not.

The price will not recover as long as these answers are not addressed and insider ASICS pump out coins.

By lying about the ASIC change they not only caused the value to drop because of inflation but alienated a large segment of their base that would have bought those asics and didn't or even worse SOLD those asics at a loss only to find out they were planning all along not to change the algo and kept it from the community.

Anyway this coin even though has great technical prowess is nothing more than a scam.

Maybe the next launch of this code will be a fair distribution. I'm sure it won't be too long as this shit is heading to single digits.

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Boys and girls it's not FUD if it's true.

Where is the proof that the premine is still intact?

It is a simple thing to provide a veiwkey.

Since it is not being provided one can only assume nefarious reasons.

This is a logical conclusion as it is a fact that this DEV team has lied to the community already.

It does not matter if they lied through the community managers as well or not.

The price will not recover as long as these answers are not addressed and insider ASICS pump out coins.

By lying about the ASIC change they not only caused the value to drop because of inflation but alienated a large segment of their base that would have bought those asics and didn't or even worse SOLD those asics at a loss only to find out they were planning all along not to change the algo and kept it from the community.

Anyway this coin even though has great technical prowess is nothing more than a scam.

Maybe the next launch of this code will be a fair distribution. I'm sure it won't be too long as this shit is heading to single digits.


do u want to close ur fucking mouth?

all the time with the same bullshit... if u dont like the project go away ok? i m tired every day to read fucking bullshit on this project.

i m dero holder and i like to be scammed ok? and like me many others... are u happy now?


in any case:

We've moved past viewkey and ASIC arguments weeks ago here in bct

It is impossible in CN to see outgoing TXs without a spend key



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July 30, 2018, 09:44:12 PM
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Boys and girls it's not FUD if it's true.

Where is the proof that the premine is still intact?

It is a simple thing to provide a veiwkey.

Since it is not being provided one can only assume nefarious reasons.

I'm not a cryptographer or a programmer, but my understanding is that a viewkey only shows current balance and incoming transactions in CryptoNote for privacy reasons. CaptDero has said he is working on a way to provide an independent way of verifying the premine balance, but as of now this is, indeed, a matter of trust, rather than proof.

But definitely not a case of "one can only assume nefarious reasons"; there are plenty of innocent reasons for the premine to remain unlocked and some of them have been posted to this thread.


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By lying about the ASIC change they not only caused the value to drop because of inflation but alienated a large segment of their base that would have bought those asics and didn't or even worse SOLD those asics at a loss only to find out they were planning all along not to change the algo and kept it from the community.
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I was pretty butthurt about the reversal on ASIC-resistance, too, but that was >1 month ago and I've since gotten over it. Furthermore, CaptDero did explain why he decided to stick with CNv0, and while I still don't entirely agree with his reasons, I do think his reasons are, well, reasonable.

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But definitely not a case of "one can only assume nefarious reasons"; there are plenty of innocent reasons for the premine to remain unlocked and some of them have been posted to this thread.

Duh, my bad. move funds provide private key, bam done. I assume nefarious because it is a simple and quick thing to prove and he has not proven it.

And as far as locking the pre-mine, well thats just another lie no matter "the reasons".

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By lying about the ASIC change they not only caused the value to drop because of inflation but alienated a large segment of their base that would have bought those asics and didn't or even worse SOLD those asics at a loss only to find out they were planning all along not to change the algo and kept it from the community.
...

I was pretty butthurt about the reversal on ASIC-resistance, too, but that was >1 month ago and I've since gotten over it. Furthermore, CaptDero did explain why he decided to stick with CNv0, and while I still don't entirely agree with his reasons, I do think his reasons are, well, reasonable.



It's pretty hard "To get over" something so impactful as changing the POW as it effects the entire economy. I can see how you can get over it easier as now you are more embedded in the project but making an announcement and then just ignoring that announcement and the fact people make economic choices based on that information is criminal behavior. And yes it is criminal. If any security manager in the world made an announcement that affected price and then did not follow through without even an attempt of forewarning their investors they would be in front of a judge. He is lucky he is anonymous and I recommend he stay so.

But It is your choice whether to get over it or not and it is everyone elses choice, no amount of yelling at each other is going to change that fact. I do not disagree with the argument to stay cryptonote, that is not the point. the point is how it was handled. If it was announce right away so people could plan accordingly as soon as it was decided then sure it's easy to get over but if it was used to prop up the price while the pre-mine was being dumped then thats another thing altogether. And right now we do not know if that is what happened.

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