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Author Topic: [ANN] DERO: DAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + SSL + POW + Smart Contracts  (Read 83989 times)
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July 19, 2018, 05:16:05 PM
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@jopari & DeroHodler: all well and good, but everything you've written is conjecture. The software has been closed-source since before atlantis, and you have no way of saying when, or even if, the premine ever left the wallet shown in the screenshot. For all you know, there really is a bit more than 4m dero in there.

@kryptoid: have you ever gone by the name mrpoopybutthole on discord?
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July 19, 2018, 05:22:07 PM
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@jopari & DeroHodler: all well and good, but everything you've written is conjecture. The software has been closed-source since before atlantis, and you have no way of saying when, or even if, the premine ever left the wallet shown in the screenshot. For all you know, there really is a bit more than 4m dero in there.

@kryptoid: have you ever gone by the name mrpoopybutthole on discord?

For a short period of time (2 or 3 months) but I was not active for most of that time. It's a rick and morty reference.

Edit : my discord is my newest account besides telegram.

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July 19, 2018, 05:24:34 PM
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@jopari & DeroHodler: all well and good, but everything you've written is conjecture. The software has been closed-source since before atlantis, and you have no way of saying when, or even if, the premine ever left the wallet shown in the screenshot. For all you know, there really is a bit more than 4m dero in there.

@kryptoid: have you ever gone by the name mrpoopybutthole on discord?

For a short period of time (2 or 3 months) but I was not active for most of that time. It's a rick and morty reference.

Edit : my discord is my newest account besides telegram.

Good, that was the correct answer.
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July 19, 2018, 06:22:21 PM
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If you count all the transactions received up until block height 72, it perfectly matches the balance available in the screenshot posted July 3rd.



It's also likely that Cap sent himself a flat 2,000,200 coins instead of the entire wallet balance.

Here are the likely inputs:

2000000+31.369672915858+31.369613082955+31.369553250166+31.369493417492+31.369433584932+31.369373752485+18.734686079847

What you're left with (after fee?) is approximately the 6.83996 change


There doesn't appear to be any conspiracy here, Sorry Mojo

"Numbers appear to add up" is not a good response, private keys and Tx_Keys only
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July 19, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
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Dear Mojo, speaking is not moving sacks. Every time it's a shot in the dark.
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July 19, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
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If you count all the transactions received up until block height 72, it perfectly matches the balance available in the screenshot posted July 3rd.

https://i.imgur.com/7XSLwgB.png

It's also likely that Cap sent himself a flat 2,000,200 coins instead of the entire wallet balance.

Here are the likely inputs:

2000000+31.369672915858+31.369613082955+31.369553250166+31.369493417492+31.369433584932+31.369373752485+18.734686079847

What you're left with (after fee?) is approximately the 6.83996 change


There doesn't appear to be any conspiracy here, Sorry Mojo

"Numbers appear to add up" is not a good response, private keys and Tx_Keys only

You continue to lose respect when you take the focus off any legitimate issues and try to make a fuss about nothing. The only people in the DERO inner circle who have dumped their coins between Jul 3 and now, is you and Serena.

Look at the TX on the block explorer, there are 8 inputs. The numbers do add up

I am not apposed to seeing the entire TX history of the premine wallet, but there is exactly zero evidence that anything nefarious has taken place. All the data available proves that ALL of the DERO received between block 1 and block 72 has not been touched. There is not a dime of evidence to the contrary.

However, at any point between the last screenshot and now (a few days) Captain could have sent 2,000,200 coins to an exchange and no one would be wiser. The view key only enables us to see what has been received. A new clear plan for the pre-mine needs to be presented to the community, and locks should be put in place.

Code review should take place in <12H.

Mojo, if you're really trying to help, stick to facts, not speculation.

Addressing an earlier point about the current code base not being released, but rather Atlantis V2, I would like to present a theory.

Everyone knows the source code was not released to qualified cryptographers that Serena had found, why? Why was the source code not released following mainnet? Does anyone remember this conversation?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8pnt1u/dero_creates_a_new_type_of_dag/

Serena?

Here's what I think and know. Bulletproofs were added to mainnet before audit was complete (inappropriate).
The audit was not complete and since there was a risk of vulnerabilities, Captain chose not to release the cryptography outside his inner circle, especially now that the code was running on mainnet (theory).

Captain - "Code will be released only after audits are completed and if any necessary actions required are taken.". Audits have recently completed (according to Cap), and now code release to devs is following shortly after.

Anyone read this article?:

https://ethereumworldnews.com/monero-bulletproof-protocol/

My final thoughts.. Bulletproofs were added before audit was done (wrong to do), captain didn't want to share code with people who had no liability (questionable), some minor or major issues were found as a result of the audit which are being implemented into "Atlantis V2" and we will never see any code before this version.
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July 19, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
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We are not out to take down the community..



aand again caught lying. you don't care about any "truth" but your own version of it. you have a personal vendetta for whatever internal reason that hurt your feelings so much. it's obvious to everyone. EVERYONE. so stop pretending like you're doing any of this for the benefit of anyone other than your own petty malice

you two truly are the lowest of the low pieces of shit in the cryptospace. you should consider resurrecting BitConnect, as that would be a fitting project for such

sincerely, fuck you
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July 19, 2018, 09:50:53 PM
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We are not out to take down the community..






aand again caught lying. you don't care about any "truth" but your own version of it. you have a personal vendetta for whatever internal reason that hurt your feelings so much. it's obvious to everyone. EVERYONE. so stop pretending like you're doing any of this for the benefit of anyone other than your own petty malice

you two truly are the lowest of the low pieces of shit in the cryptospace. you should consider resurrecting BitConnect, as that would be a fitting project for such

sincerely, fuck you

Seriously you can do better than that... At least next time don't make it look like I'm saying "I'm stupid", if you are stupid, please don't assume everyone is


And as usual, since this is a new page:

https://medium.com/@mojo_lb/to-whom-captain-deros-lead-developer-feels-it-does-not-concern-6df0a9ca692a

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July 19, 2018, 10:28:24 PM
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If you count all the transactions received up until block height 72, it perfectly matches the balance available in the screenshot posted July 3rd.

https://i.imgur.com/7XSLwgB.png

It's also likely that Cap sent himself a flat 2,000,200 coins instead of the entire wallet balance.

Here are the likely inputs:

2000000+31.369672915858+31.369613082955+31.369553250166+31.369493417492+31.369433584932+31.369373752485+18.734686079847

What you're left with (after fee?) is approximately the 6.83996 change


There doesn't appear to be any conspiracy here, Sorry Mojo

"Numbers appear to add up" is not a good response, private keys and Tx_Keys only

Please, answer me one thing, and be honest. You and Serena knew ALL THE TIME about all the premine issues, like not being locked, or being in just one wallet, right? Even when I asked you in private about it and told you my concerns regarding this matter, you promptly answered and gave some excuse, and assured that everything was all right. I knew it was impossible to check for sure without the spend key, because that's how CN protocol works.
Anyway... so, why do you and Serena suddenly turned against all the project? What do you two won pretending that everything was fine (not only the premine, but all the other issues) all the time? Were you two trying to gain some time lying to the community while intending to dump all your Dero amounts? I remember clearly you two speaking good things about the project in the last days (maybe even in the last hours) before the medium post, even Serena speaking in french about how the devs are good and brilliant, and how the tech is real... and now, just a lot of FUD. I asked Serena here about her behavior regarding this matter, but she not answered. Will you? Maybe you two were just worried to get rid of your bags while kept lying to the supporters after all, just trying to get out without getting hurt in the proccess, and after that, screw up what remained of the community, right? If not, maybe you two tried to lower the price to buy again, in larger quantities at a lower price, don't?
If not, so tell... what are you two winning into this all? Why that sudden change in the behavior of you two?
You two certainly are not saints in all this mess... if not the opposite.
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July 19, 2018, 10:53:19 PM
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Someone just post the viewkey in slack and discord as a proof that prmine is untact when he is a community manager,
now he take the same viewkey as a proof that premine is spent, what the fuck.
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July 20, 2018, 01:24:24 AM
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Hello @Serena,
My first reply to you since you left.
I believe you have contributed lots of efforts and time for the DERO Community. Thanks for that.
For me you are still the same kind and sweet person. Pls don't allow this incident to affect you any way.
Let the good and positive in you be more powerful. I have seen and handle lots of such in life, thanks to the teacher called Experience.
You will always have my good wishes. Feel free for anything else.

Thanks.

Regards.
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July 20, 2018, 05:09:47 AM
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Dear Dero Community,

The time is here for release of the Dero code to external developers. In honor of our commitment to transparency, communications between @Captain and the external developers will be taking place on the #ext-developers Discord channel ongoing. Please feel free to visit any time.

Regards,
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Discord Invite : https://discord.gg/GmDgjkD

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Hello @Serena,
My first reply to you since you left.
I believe you have contributed lots of efforts and time for the DERO Community. Thanks for that.
For me you are still the same kind and sweet person. Pls don't allow this incident to affect you any way.
Let the good and positive in you be more powerful. I have seen and handle lots of such in life, thanks to the teacher called Experience.
You will always have my good wishes. Feel free for anything else.

Thanks.

Regards.

I hope you change your mind about the community. My experience here taught me many lessons, and some particularly harsh ones about trust.

a few things I've noticed

Topoheight DIFFERENCE - Sample #1 additional data Height: 249380 -VS- Topoheight: 322904 ----- with the original blocks removed we get --- Height: 153,830 -VS- Topoheight: 227,354 for a block emission rate of 147.79561854% topoheight -VS- blockheight. This means DERO is generating 47.79561854% side blocks but Capt stated they expect 10% to 15% side blocks.

(1) A cursory glance suggests that Dero is putting out around 32% - 37% -or- 3.186x to 4.779x more side blocks than expected while simultaneously maintaining a lower emission rate than Monero had at this time (18,620.62 Monero mined on day 225). Math - 47% actual vs 10% - 15% as Capt stated (47.79561854 / 15 = 3.18637456933) and 47% actual vs 10% (47.79561854 / 10 = 4.779561854)

(2) If we were to remove the side blocks we would have (using current numbers that do smoothly lower) 1.532 DERO every 12 seconds for
1.532 (Dero per block) x 5 (blocks per minute) x 60 (minutes per hour) x 24 (hours per day) = 11030.4 DERO per day (7200 blocks per day) without the side blocks on day 225.

(3) If we add the side blocks back in with an emission rate of 1 DERO per block (1.02 actual ATM) at a rate of 47.79561854% additional blocks on top of the 7200 per day for 3441.2843088 extra DERO per day bringing us to a total of (approximately) ~14471.6843088 DERO on day 225 (18,620.62 Monero mined on day 225)

These appear to be the same minus the language differences
DERO emission: https://github.com/deroproject/derosuite/blob/master/emission/emission.go

Code:
target := config.COIN_DIFFICULTY_TARGET
target_minutes := target / 60
emission_speed_factor := config.COIN_EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR - (target_minutes - 1)

Monero emission: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/3ad4ecd4ff52f011ee94e0e80754b965b82f072b/src/cryptonote_basic/cryptonote_basic_impl.cpp

Code:
const int target = version < 2 ? DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V1 : DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V2;
    const int target_minutes = target / 60;
    const int emission_speed_factor = EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR_PER_MINUTE - (target_minutes-1);


Dero config: https://github.com/deroproject/derosuite/blob/9687ad9cb479bf564c7900b948150200fdd5a301/config/config.go
Code:
var COIN_EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR = uint64(20)
var COIN_DIFFICULTY_TARGET = uint64(120)

Monero config: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/3ad4ecd4ff52f011ee94e0e80754b965b82f072b/src/cryptonote_config.h
Code:
EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR_PER_MINUTE                (20)
DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V2                            120  // seconds
DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V1                            60  // seconds

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So can you at least tell me where the 3.07 blocks came from if the configs were the same and the port appears to be successful with the most basic parameters in place?

Edit: I made a new account to post this btw since I'm not around my bitcointalk passphrase for --Serena--

Edit 2: I'm aware the parameters etc will be different for Atlantis, but I guess I'm wondering why it's still not close to the proper emission curve? I'd dig for what was causing the 3.07 blocks since it's not the basic config, but there's of course no point now. So I'll just leave it at - why is the emission curve still broken?
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July 20, 2018, 07:49:47 AM
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Hello @Serena,
My first reply to you since you left.
I believe you have contributed lots of efforts and time for the DERO Community. Thanks for that.
For me you are still the same kind and sweet person. Pls don't allow this incident to affect you any way.
Let the good and positive in you be more powerful. I have seen and handle lots of such in life, thanks to the teacher called Experience.
You will always have my good wishes. Feel free for anything else.

Thanks.

Regards.

I hope you change your mind about the community. My experience here taught me many lessons, and some particularly harsh ones about trust.

a few things I've noticed

Topoheight DIFFERENCE - Sample #1 additional data Height: 249380 -VS- Topoheight: 322904 ----- with the original blocks removed we get --- Height: 153,830 -VS- Topoheight: 227,354 for a block emission rate of 147.79561854% topoheight -VS- blockheight. This means DERO is generating 47.79561854% side blocks but Capt stated they expect 10% to 15% side blocks.

(1) A cursory glance suggests that Dero is putting out around 32% - 37% -or- 3.186x to 4.779x more side blocks than expected while simultaneously maintaining a lower emission rate than Monero had at this time (18,620.62 Monero mined on day 225). Math - 47% actual vs 10% - 15% as Capt stated (47.79561854 / 15 = 3.18637456933) and 47% actual vs 10% (47.79561854 / 10 = 4.779561854)

(2) If we were to remove the side blocks we would have (using current numbers that do smoothly lower) 1.532 DERO every 12 seconds for
1.532 (Dero per block) x 5 (blocks per minute) x 60 (minutes per hour) x 24 (hours per day) = 11030.4 DERO per day (7200 blocks per day) without the side blocks on day 225.

(3) If we add the side blocks back in with an emission rate of 1 DERO per block (1.02 actual ATM) at a rate of 47.79561854% additional blocks on top of the 7200 per day for 3441.2843088 extra DERO per day bringing us to a total of (approximately) ~14471.6843088 DERO on day 225 (18,620.62 Monero mined on day 225)

These appear to be the same minus the language differences
DERO emission: https://github.com/deroproject/derosuite/blob/master/emission/emission.go

Code:
target := config.COIN_DIFFICULTY_TARGET
target_minutes := target / 60
emission_speed_factor := config.COIN_EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR - (target_minutes - 1)

Monero emission: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/3ad4ecd4ff52f011ee94e0e80754b965b82f072b/src/cryptonote_basic/cryptonote_basic_impl.cpp

Code:
const int target = version < 2 ? DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V1 : DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V2;
    const int target_minutes = target / 60;
    const int emission_speed_factor = EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR_PER_MINUTE - (target_minutes-1);


Dero config: https://github.com/deroproject/derosuite/blob/9687ad9cb479bf564c7900b948150200fdd5a301/config/config.go
Code:
var COIN_EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR = uint64(20)
var COIN_DIFFICULTY_TARGET = uint64(120)

Monero config: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/3ad4ecd4ff52f011ee94e0e80754b965b82f072b/src/cryptonote_config.h
Code:
EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR_PER_MINUTE                (20)
DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V2                            120  // seconds
DIFFICULTY_TARGET_V1                            60  // seconds

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So can you at least tell me where the 3.07 blocks came from if the configs were the same and the port appears to be successful with the most basic parameters in place?

Edit: I made a new account to post this btw since I'm not around my bitcointalk passphrase for --Serena--

Edit 2: I'm aware the parameters etc will be different for Atlantis, but I guess I'm wondering why it's still not close to the proper emission curve? I'd dig for what was causing the 3.07 blocks since it's not the basic config, but there's of course no point now. So I'll just leave it at - why is the emission curve still broken?

(Honest question)

Are you talking taking into consideration that side blocks split the reward for that height?

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blank post - will delete in 24hr
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No problem, and yeah



Note the block rewards
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No problem, and yeah



Note the block rewards

.... I'll just leave this here...

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No problem, and yeah



Note the block rewards

.... I'll just leave this here...

Likewise!

I'm not sure what you think you found but I'd double check things on your end  Wink My math is accurate
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July 20, 2018, 09:03:41 AM
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I've got the source code today.

Just to confirm that I've already build my binary with code provied,I'm running it with the dero atlantis  mainnet now.
Version 2.0.1-3.alpha.atlantis+04072018 OS:darwin ARCH:amd64

with git head hash:7570b29cddca5de727cd67a435df4380f6544c7c
macos build,md5 as below:

MD5 (derod) = 4a4ac8869bb44fb757dc96cb52469091

MD5 (explorer) = 5d4e77f59d0a95bb71065c46c337a4c3

MD5 (dero-wallet-cli) = 33973c3c53ae67c47cabddf385626edc
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No problem, and yeah



Note the block rewards

.... I'll just leave this here...

Likewise!

I'm not sure what you think you found but I'd double check things on your end  Wink My math is accurate

Likewise.

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