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July 18, 2018, 03:38:02 PM
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I was present when we are joking about using McAfee for the marketing. (Yes, the truth it was just a joke and nothing else on slack late in the night)
I was present when someone asking about if premine in the future will be locked in Atlantis protocol, and Captain respond by the negative because the mechanism is different between the old and the new CryptoNote (Go port with Atlantis), because of the block ordering.
You are doing a big story about little tiny detail, like blocktime was 3 mins instead 2 before Atlantis, sincerely who cares ? Blocktime is now around 12 sec average. You think you are developer because you can use Javascript and create a script bash under Linux ? You are just a script kiddie nothing else... you don't even have any professional experience in development.

You did a great job, until now I still don't understand what happened ? But now you are acting like a child, you should be ashamed.

you're right man!


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I'm talking on #general, there was another discussion months earlier, something like one day after someone reveal that John took 100k$ for advertising ICOs.

Captain response was exactly the same "But no one could replace John, I feel". (And hell yes he was right J. McAfee is one of the most influential crypto star, listened by no-coiners and TV show)

Just a reminder It wasn't Captain who tried first to advertise Dero through twitter and reddit, it was Serena.  it was Serena who tried to contact JPMorghan and McAfee, or maybe that it's probably a Bullshit too ?

What I See : Idea to include McAfee wasn't from Captain but from --Serena--, the advertising wasn't supposed start before Q4, but --Serena-- started anyway.  

Captain had other plans (pairs review, conference, meeting), and for once he trusted and listened Serena. (Look like it was he's biggest mistake.)


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Please check our posts, and if you want to comment, comment on what we said, not what you imagine we said, or intentionally making up something to get a fluffy something to brag about

Our presented data is 100% clear, if you want to comment on it, please comment on what we said exactly, "quote and comment", not "create/imagine and comment"
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July 18, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
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I will not arguing with technical illiterates who pretend being cypherpunk.

You are just like this kids from /biz/ don't have any experience in Computer Science and try to backstab themselves while gambling on projects. (You aren't part of any community, you are just a cancer.)

Only one reason I see why you wanna destroy this project, because you are afraid that Dero Foundation take a legal action against you. (I think you should start to pray)
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for mojo... good job....


DERO TO THE MOON SOON!



Cryptolemico, HAHAHAHAHA even Kryptoid won't directly answer "yes I am" if you ask him if he's stupid  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


This is my first ever post in bitcoin talk and i never really wanted to.

But i have been following dero for a while now.

Serana and Mojo,

I fully understand that you are very upset and are out to take out the dero community and dero project as much as you can.  Im not disagreeing with you that what the both you claim isn't real, i believe there is some truth to it.  But i really think you both have set out to do what you needed to do and make sure everyone and anyone who does there research will find this and make there own opinion on it and decided weather to invest there hard earned money or not. 

But for me personally, i really think you both are taking this too far now.  i have invested a lot in this project knowing its a high risk/reward project with good fundamentals hoping to get in early and makes some decent money out of my investment, but like myself and many others here, your not just messing with names on a screen, we have wives, kids or financial troubles etc or just trying to get out of the rat race, so to keep sabotaging constantly really hurts a lot of people. 

I know this project could turn to shit as there some strong unknowns, but it looks like we will be getting a few answers very soon and if we dont, then you are both 100% correct with the constant delays from capt etc.

So can you please, if possible, take a break, chill, wait for these deadlines with the dev reveal and the rest, and if the capt doesn't adhere to his words that were made public, then by all means, come back and tell us all again why you are both right.

cheers

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We are not out to take down the community.. We are bringing truths to the public, everyone including you

Don't preach us about investments, I paid for most of the Atlantis testnet from my own money, I was buying Dero at ATH even though I have a good bag from when it was $0.5

Our target since day 1 was, and will always be, the ideologies behind the blockchain and cryptocurrencies.. We will refuse scams and bad behavior no matter what were the incentives to stay quiet. We have put our own time, effort, and money into the project, and were seriously shocked how things are when captain finally became comfortable enough around us

We tried internally for so long to fix these issues, get the premine locked, get more transparency, even act properly by doing actual marketing not just paying for shilling..

Once it appeared that it's an elaborately and well planned out attempt for a prolonged scam, a very prolonged scam... we couldn't stay silent anymore

You lost money... well yeah I lost a lot more than you did... I'm not here to make few bucks on other people's expense... I'm here for ideologies and principals that I will protect

If you want to ride the scam... go ahead, some people actually made some money from bitconnect. But don't pretend it's otherwise to fool more people in so you can dump over them and take their money....

Hello Mojo,

Where is Serena now? I haven't seen her for a while on ANN. I hope you both good.

I have read through your post carefully and each of the picture you attached.

First of all, I would like to point out that make a private chat public without the aggrement of the partner(Captain) is not a good behavior. Does this kind of behavior obey the ideologies you mention?

Secondly, your post without a full context which means the public can not have a full picture. Whatever how much screen snap you provided, I am afraid you and Serena will never have the possibility to approve you are right without the confirmation of Captain. So I believe you both use the  wrong way to esclate the issue.

Thirdly, Please really reconsider what is the role you both at dero project? Do you really know the blue print of dero core team? Since I joined the community at Jan. 2018, I can feel your loyalty to your beloeved dero project, and I think you both love too much to make dero as your dream place.

A good project is not good by nature, dero project has a long way to go and dev team has to face a lof of hard decisions during the journey .

If you have a private channel to contact Serena, please let her know I miss her a lot and I wait her in my country for the beer I owe her for teaching me mining skills.

I wish we can  stop wasting time on ANN to say who is right or wrong, time will tell the truth and if "the end is well", I hope "all is well".
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July 18, 2018, 06:13:11 PM
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Only one reason I see why you wanna destroy this project, because you are afraid that Dero Foundation take a legal action against you. (I think you should start to pray)

Ohh I wish! Bring it on!!!! Cheesy


First of all, I would like to point out that make a private chat public without the aggrement of the partner(Captain) is not a good behavior. Does this kind of behavior obey the ideologies you mention?
Yes, it's called transparency

Secondly, your post without a full context which means the public can not have a full picture. Whatever how much screen snap you provided, I am afraid you and Serena will never have the possibility to approve you are right without the confirmation of Captain. So I believe you both use the  wrong way to esclate the issue.
Nothing was out of context, everything was complete with full context

Thirdly, Please really reconsider what is the role you both at dero project? Do you really know the blue print of dero core team? Since I joined the community at Jan. 2018, I can feel your loyalty to your beloeved dero project, and I think you both love too much to make dero as your dream place.
We took our action when we found out what the blueprints of dero core team truly are

A good project is not good by nature, dero project has a long way to go and dev team has to face a lof of hard decisions during the journey .
That's what we thought too, until we found the true nature

If you have a private channel to contact Serena, please let her know I miss her a lot and I wait her in my country for the beer I owe her for teaching me mining skills.
She reads all the chat, she's just bored with the repetitive things going on here

I wish we can  stop wasting time on ANN to say who is right or wrong, time will tell the truth and if "the end is well", I hope "all is well".
There is no "who is right or wrong", we already made a very clear statement with proofs and all we got in return are personal attacks and refutes of things we didn't even say
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July 18, 2018, 06:41:48 PM
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Can anyone tell me the fastest way to sync the command line daemon with the network. It has taken close to 1 day and i am still at 88000

DERO: 88710/88710 [240533/309552] P 13 TXp 0 NW 1 H/s >>>

I have tried importing http://seeds.dero.io/atlantis/atlantisDB/derod_database.db but that too starts around 90000 odd, so with this speed it will still take days.

derod-windows-amd64.exe --badgerdb

In the case of HDD, it is very fast.


Yep, much faster. I have a HDD. Thanks a lot !. But i had to start from scratch and couldn't find an option to convert the existing one to the badgerdb backend.
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people are blind, let it go, move on. Let people fuck themselves over. Anyone that is holding is going to hold because they don't understand blockchain or crypto. They blindly trust a man they don't know, a man that has lied multiple times. A man that does not come out to refute anything because he cant. The people you are arguing with have no valid points. They blindly follow this project and say they have complete trust in the Captain and the tech. The captain they have rarely talked to, yet alone met, and tech they haven't seen... I checked the source code of what is available. It's nothing I've never seen done. Nano's code is far more impressive.  Let them lose their holdings... You already did your part. Dero will become obsolete because Nix Platform will make this tech useless so it doesn't matter if it is a scam or not anymore.

Can you provide more details about how you think the code?

He talk probably about what is on github publicly available, the port of cryptonote. (An early version of Dero V1)

This guy is a joke he compare CryptoNote protocol to Nano, Blokchain tech to a DAG tech... Apple to Banana.

Captain is a technical guy so he doesn't care about hype or price to the moon, so if price goes up or go down it's the same thing... and for now DERO isn't ready (We are still in alpha stage with no use case for now), Serena tried to push some marketing through twitter and now you see the result.

Keep in mind : this project hadn't any ICO and DERO IS STILL AN EXPERIMENTATION.

My thoughts exactly.  I had a laugh when i saw this reply too lol.  I was about to write something similar, how on earth do you go around saying "i've checked your oranges, nano's apples are way more impressive"... Also the comparison to Nix is a poor one, at best.  I agree also that Dero is still experimental, there is so much work left to be done still.  Let's see what the code looks like so far when it's out.

DM me so I can show you how much it costs you every time you get emotional in crypto assets. Nano is Dag, Dero isn't hard to transcribe, claimed to be DAG... Nix can make any coin/blockchain private through its Ghost protocol, with one of its developers holding 10+ blockchain patents. Research InterValue so you can see real blockchain tech. Wake up!!! Get with it or GTFO! The captain claimed 80% of the code is out. Not my words, his.... I understand many HODLRS are holding a good amount of Dero but we are in a bull run, structured by tomorrows Security hearing emphasized by the future of security tokens followed by a proposed ETF, furthermore Coinbase is allowed to list securtity tokens, this will allow for mass adoption in the US. I wish you all moon Lambos and financial success, but you have to wake up... I read this forum and there are no refutes by the captain or the community. He might be so confident in his code that he doesn't care about your investments. If the price drops he doesn't care, if the premine is locked.... he doesn't he care? All that matters is his code(this is looking at DERO blindly the way you people decide to look at it). I reviewed it and its nothing to FOMO about, it's not DAG, its not new, it's not revolutionary. The project Ternio can reach over 1k tps no problem and it's code it shit.... and you people are getting hard over 75tps... from a person you have never met, a person that doesn't care to speak on your behalf, A person you don't know, someone you choose to follow based on buzz words... someone that won't refute any accusations because somehow in your bubble you decided to conclude he is only about tech and isn't interested in anything else, then... good luck to you!... If this is what you want to be a part of, so be it. I wish you all major success. All I can say is don't be afraid to move on... Don't be afraid to ask questions. Wake up, be cautious... Projects need you, you don't need them. Crypto is on a global scale... WAKE UP!

The DAG code along with its supposed groundbreaking implementations is what's not open sourced yet, so obviously you haven't seen the DAG code and haven't reviewed anything of whats (supposedly) groundbreaking about Dero... lol   Nix may be a good project in its own right and interoperability is big, but it is a poor comparison with Dero, not the same type of project despite some things they share in common. The fact that you mentioned Ternio makes me chuckle, because their blockchain requires the use of another blockchain in order to settle transactions... trash.  Dero doing 75 tps on the native blockchain with the list of features and that it supposedly has implemented is remarkable and potentially game changing if real, and it also obviously can scale...   Don't really understand why you mentioned anything about the current market conditions or idiotic lambo comments as it has no relevance to this topic.

Everyone here knows there is a risk involved, nobody is blindly doing anything thinking there isn't any sort of risk and everything is perfect, the claims are huge and it could be flawed.  Time will tell as the source will be released in just a couple of days.


I don't think you know what Nix is doing... If you run ghost protocol on any blockchain it will make it private... You can make Ethereum private, Neo private, Hedera Hashgraph private, starkware private, Elrond Network private, Fetch Private... You get it? You can make anything private... 75 TPS for DAG is very low for a native blockchain...(I get it, it's experimental, as long as it works I guess.)

I mentioned the market conditions and idiotic lambos because the Dero community has shown to be niave…they only seem to believe in their truths, not facts laid out in front of them. Either they believe this project will make them rich, or they are waiting for a pump so they can dump the coins on some poor soul. Just read the last 20 pages of this thread. Absolutely 0 refutes. They just talk shit to anyone that has evidence of anything that puts the project in a bad place. They talk shit to anyone that is looking for answers. I get it, they have stakes in the project and don't want to see any facts that will ruin the project due to self interest. Why doesn't the captain say anything about the unlocked premine or the 3 minute blocktimes? These are huge concerns because no one knows who he is. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes of his time, and it would solve so many problems. I mean, it has been a few days...

If you have been in crypto a few days, you realize the most important thing of a project is the community. Crypto is a beautiful space and as early adopters we have the chance to be part of amazing ecosystems. Egalitarian projects with good fundamentals. If we do not look out for each other; we hand over the space to people who will manipulate it for their own benefit. We will not reach mass adoption if we cannot back up our claims with substance. Dero is very far behind in this and this community reminds me of Forrest Gump being in love with Jenny. Research, do your homework, ask questions and analyze behavior.

Lastly, the thing that people here don't realize and obviously don't seem to care about is the asic centralization. The network is young, so many coins still need to be mined. The network was handed over to a few Asics and they are mining all the DERO. Wouldn't surprise me if the developers had a few. This project is so centralized that the volume will be manipulated for the rest of it's life.
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people are blind, let it go, move on. Let people fuck themselves over. Anyone that is holding is going to hold because they don't understand blockchain or crypto. They blindly trust a man they don't know, a man that has lied multiple times. A man that does not come out to refute anything because he cant. The people you are arguing with have no valid points. They blindly follow this project and say they have complete trust in the Captain and the tech. The captain they have rarely talked to, yet alone met, and tech they haven't seen... I checked the source code of what is available. It's nothing I've never seen done. Nano's code is far more impressive.  Let them lose their holdings... You already did your part. Dero will become obsolete because Nix Platform will make this tech useless so it doesn't matter if it is a scam or not anymore.

Can you provide more details about how you think the code?

He talk probably about what is on github publicly available, the port of cryptonote. (An early version of Dero V1)

This guy is a joke he compare CryptoNote protocol to Nano, Blokchain tech to a DAG tech... Apple to Banana.

Captain is a technical guy so he doesn't care about hype or price to the moon, so if price goes up or go down it's the same thing... and for now DERO isn't ready (We are still in alpha stage with no use case for now), Serena tried to push some marketing through twitter and now you see the result.

Keep in mind : this project hadn't any ICO and DERO IS STILL AN EXPERIMENTATION.

My thoughts exactly.  I had a laugh when i saw this reply too lol.  I was about to write something similar, how on earth do you go around saying "i've checked your oranges, nano's apples are way more impressive"... Also the comparison to Nix is a poor one, at best.  I agree also that Dero is still experimental, there is so much work left to be done still.  Let's see what the code looks like so far when it's out.

DM me so I can show you how much it costs you every time you get emotional in crypto assets. Nano is Dag, Dero isn't hard to transcribe, claimed to be DAG... Nix can make any coin/blockchain private through its Ghost protocol, with one of its developers holding 10+ blockchain patents. Research InterValue so you can see real blockchain tech. Wake up!!! Get with it or GTFO! The captain claimed 80% of the code is out. Not my words, his.... I understand many HODLRS are holding a good amount of Dero but we are in a bull run, structured by tomorrows Security hearing emphasized by the future of security tokens followed by a proposed ETF, furthermore Coinbase is allowed to list securtity tokens, this will allow for mass adoption in the US. I wish you all moon Lambos and financial success, but you have to wake up... I read this forum and there are no refutes by the captain or the community. He might be so confident in his code that he doesn't care about your investments. If the price drops he doesn't care, if the premine is locked.... he doesn't he care? All that matters is his code(this is looking at DERO blindly the way you people decide to look at it). I reviewed it and its nothing to FOMO about, it's not DAG, its not new, it's not revolutionary. The project Ternio can reach over 1k tps no problem and it's code it shit.... and you people are getting hard over 75tps... from a person you have never met, a person that doesn't care to speak on your behalf, A person you don't know, someone you choose to follow based on buzz words... someone that won't refute any accusations because somehow in your bubble you decided to conclude he is only about tech and isn't interested in anything else, then... good luck to you!... If this is what you want to be a part of, so be it. I wish you all major success. All I can say is don't be afraid to move on... Don't be afraid to ask questions. Wake up, be cautious... Projects need you, you don't need them. Crypto is on a global scale... WAKE UP!

The DAG code along with its supposed groundbreaking implementations is what's not open sourced yet, so obviously you haven't seen the DAG code and haven't reviewed anything of whats (supposedly) groundbreaking about Dero... lol   Nix may be a good project in its own right and interoperability is big, but it is a poor comparison with Dero, not the same type of project despite some things they share in common. The fact that you mentioned Ternio makes me chuckle, because their blockchain requires the use of another blockchain in order to settle transactions... trash.  Dero doing 75 tps on the native blockchain with the list of features and that it supposedly has implemented is remarkable and potentially game changing if real, and it also obviously can scale...   Don't really understand why you mentioned anything about the current market conditions or idiotic lambo comments as it has no relevance to this topic.

Everyone here knows there is a risk involved, nobody is blindly doing anything thinking there isn't any sort of risk and everything is perfect, the claims are huge and it could be flawed.  Time will tell as the source will be released in just a couple of days.


I don't think you know what Nix is doing... If you run ghost protocol on any blockchain it will make it private... You can make Ethereum private, Neo private, Hedera Hashgraph private, starkware private, Elrond Network private, Fetch Private... You get it? You can make anything private... 75 TPS for DAG is very low for a native blockchain...(I get it, it's experimental, as long as it works I guess.)

I mentioned the market conditions and idiotic lambos because the Dero community has shown to be niave…they only seem to believe in their truths, not facts laid out in front of them. Either they believe this project will make them rich, or they are waiting for a pump so they can dump the coins on some poor soul. Just read the last 20 pages of this thread. Absolutely 0 refutes. They just talk shit to anyone that has evidence of anything that puts the project in a bad place. They talk shit to anyone that is looking for answers. I get it, they have stakes in the project and don't want to see any facts that will ruin the project due to self interest. Why doesn't the captain say anything about the unlocked premine or the 3 minute blocktimes? These are huge concerns because no one knows who he is. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes of his time, and it would solve so many problems. I mean, it has been a few days...

If you have been in crypto a few days, you realize the most important thing of a project is the community. Crypto is a beautiful space and as early adopters we have the chance to be part of amazing ecosystems. Egalitarian projects with good fundamentals. If we do not look out for each other; we hand over the space to people who will manipulate it for their own benefit. We will not reach mass adoption if we cannot back up our claims with substance. Dero is very far behind in this and this community reminds me of Forrest Gump being in love with Jenny. Research, do your homework, ask questions and analyze behavior.

Lastly, the thing that people here don't realize and obviously don't seem to care about is the asic centralization. The network is young, so many coins still need to be mined. The network was handed over to a few Asics and they are mining all the DERO. Wouldn't surprise me if the developers had a few. This project is so centralized that the volume will be manipulated for the rest of it's life.

75 TPS it's because you are limited by the bandwith from your ISP, the network is intended to work with a 2 Mbps bandwith, not a 12 Mbps.

Yes ASIC are the issue, so whats devs should do ? Stop it, abandon the IoT ecosystem and delay Dero until they found a Polymorphic PoW algorithm that even FPGA will never ever reverse  ? (Yeah, because FPGA centralization will be an another issue too, soon)
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July 18, 2018, 09:50:13 PM
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i hope. Dero is very interisting, dont merit this lose of time  Wink

for mojo... good job....

https://i.imgur.com/VCgBvfo.png


DERO TO THE MOON SOON!


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 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Only one reason I see why you wanna destroy this project, because you are afraid that Dero Foundation take a legal action against you. (I think you should start to pray)

Ohh I wish! Bring it on!!!! Cheesy


First of all, I would like to point out that make a private chat public without the aggrement of the partner(Captain) is not a good behavior. Does this kind of behavior obey the ideologies you mention?
Yes, it's called transparency

Secondly, your post without a full context which means the public can not have a full picture. Whatever how much screen snap you provided, I am afraid you and Serena will never have the possibility to approve you are right without the confirmation of Captain. So I believe you both use the  wrong way to esclate the issue.
Nothing was out of context, everything was complete with full context

Thirdly, Please really reconsider what is the role you both at dero project? Do you really know the blue print of dero core team? Since I joined the community at Jan. 2018, I can feel your loyalty to your beloeved dero project, and I think you both love too much to make dero as your dream place.
We took our action when we found out what the blueprints of dero core team truly are

A good project is not good by nature, dero project has a long way to go and dev team has to face a lof of hard decisions during the journey .
That's what we thought too, until we found the true nature

If you have a private channel to contact Serena, please let her know I miss her a lot and I wait her in my country for the beer I owe her for teaching me mining skills.
She reads all the chat, she's just bored with the repetitive things going on here

I wish we can  stop wasting time on ANN to say who is right or wrong, time will tell the truth and if "the end is well", I hope "all is well".
There is no "who is right or wrong", we already made a very clear statement with proofs and all we got in return are personal attacks and refutes of things we didn't even say

Looks very hard to have an effective communication. I don't agree all the points you reply, but it is meaningless to debat anymore for now.
Have a good day Mojo.
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people are blind, let it go, move on. Let people fuck themselves over. Anyone that is holding is going to hold because they don't understand blockchain or crypto. They blindly trust a man they don't know, a man that has lied multiple times. A man that does not come out to refute anything because he cant. The people you are arguing with have no valid points. They blindly follow this project and say they have complete trust in the Captain and the tech. The captain they have rarely talked to, yet alone met, and tech they haven't seen... I checked the source code of what is available. It's nothing I've never seen done. Nano's code is far more impressive.  Let them lose their holdings... You already did your part. Dero will become obsolete because Nix Platform will make this tech useless so it doesn't matter if it is a scam or not anymore.

Can you provide more details about how you think the code?

He talk probably about what is on github publicly available, the port of cryptonote. (An early version of Dero V1)

This guy is a joke he compare CryptoNote protocol to Nano, Blokchain tech to a DAG tech... Apple to Banana.

Captain is a technical guy so he doesn't care about hype or price to the moon, so if price goes up or go down it's the same thing... and for now DERO isn't ready (We are still in alpha stage with no use case for now), Serena tried to push some marketing through twitter and now you see the result.

Keep in mind : this project hadn't any ICO and DERO IS STILL AN EXPERIMENTATION.

My thoughts exactly.  I had a laugh when i saw this reply too lol.  I was about to write something similar, how on earth do you go around saying "i've checked your oranges, nano's apples are way more impressive"... Also the comparison to Nix is a poor one, at best.  I agree also that Dero is still experimental, there is so much work left to be done still.  Let's see what the code looks like so far when it's out.

DM me so I can show you how much it costs you every time you get emotional in crypto assets. Nano is Dag, Dero isn't hard to transcribe, claimed to be DAG... Nix can make any coin/blockchain private through its Ghost protocol, with one of its developers holding 10+ blockchain patents. Research InterValue so you can see real blockchain tech. Wake up!!! Get with it or GTFO! The captain claimed 80% of the code is out. Not my words, his.... I understand many HODLRS are holding a good amount of Dero but we are in a bull run, structured by tomorrows Security hearing emphasized by the future of security tokens followed by a proposed ETF, furthermore Coinbase is allowed to list securtity tokens, this will allow for mass adoption in the US. I wish you all moon Lambos and financial success, but you have to wake up... I read this forum and there are no refutes by the captain or the community. He might be so confident in his code that he doesn't care about your investments. If the price drops he doesn't care, if the premine is locked.... he doesn't he care? All that matters is his code(this is looking at DERO blindly the way you people decide to look at it). I reviewed it and its nothing to FOMO about, it's not DAG, its not new, it's not revolutionary. The project Ternio can reach over 1k tps no problem and it's code it shit.... and you people are getting hard over 75tps... from a person you have never met, a person that doesn't care to speak on your behalf, A person you don't know, someone you choose to follow based on buzz words... someone that won't refute any accusations because somehow in your bubble you decided to conclude he is only about tech and isn't interested in anything else, then... good luck to you!... If this is what you want to be a part of, so be it. I wish you all major success. All I can say is don't be afraid to move on... Don't be afraid to ask questions. Wake up, be cautious... Projects need you, you don't need them. Crypto is on a global scale... WAKE UP!

The DAG code along with its supposed groundbreaking implementations is what's not open sourced yet, so obviously you haven't seen the DAG code and haven't reviewed anything of whats (supposedly) groundbreaking about Dero... lol   Nix may be a good project in its own right and interoperability is big, but it is a poor comparison with Dero, not the same type of project despite some things they share in common. The fact that you mentioned Ternio makes me chuckle, because their blockchain requires the use of another blockchain in order to settle transactions... trash.  Dero doing 75 tps on the native blockchain with the list of features and that it supposedly has implemented is remarkable and potentially game changing if real, and it also obviously can scale...   Don't really understand why you mentioned anything about the current market conditions or idiotic lambo comments as it has no relevance to this topic.

Everyone here knows there is a risk involved, nobody is blindly doing anything thinking there isn't any sort of risk and everything is perfect, the claims are huge and it could be flawed.  Time will tell as the source will be released in just a couple of days.


I don't think you know what Nix is doing... If you run ghost protocol on any blockchain it will make it private... You can make Ethereum private, Neo private, Hedera Hashgraph private, starkware private, Elrond Network private, Fetch Private... You get it? You can make anything private... 75 TPS for DAG is very low for a native blockchain...(I get it, it's experimental, as long as it works I guess.)

I mentioned the market conditions and idiotic lambos because the Dero community has shown to be niave…they only seem to believe in their truths, not facts laid out in front of them. Either they believe this project will make them rich, or they are waiting for a pump so they can dump the coins on some poor soul. Just read the last 20 pages of this thread. Absolutely 0 refutes. They just talk shit to anyone that has evidence of anything that puts the project in a bad place. They talk shit to anyone that is looking for answers. I get it, they have stakes in the project and don't want to see any facts that will ruin the project due to self interest. Why doesn't the captain say anything about the unlocked premine or the 3 minute blocktimes? These are huge concerns because no one knows who he is. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes of his time, and it would solve so many problems. I mean, it has been a few days...

If you have been in crypto a few days, you realize the most important thing of a project is the community. Crypto is a beautiful space and as early adopters we have the chance to be part of amazing ecosystems. Egalitarian projects with good fundamentals. If we do not look out for each other; we hand over the space to people who will manipulate it for their own benefit. We will not reach mass adoption if we cannot back up our claims with substance. Dero is very far behind in this and this community reminds me of Forrest Gump being in love with Jenny. Research, do your homework, ask questions and analyze behavior.

Lastly, the thing that people here don't realize and obviously don't seem to care about is the asic centralization. The network is young, so many coins still need to be mined. The network was handed over to a few Asics and they are mining all the DERO. Wouldn't surprise me if the developers had a few. This project is so centralized that the volume will be manipulated for the rest of it's life.

75 TPS it's because you are limited by the bandwith from your ISP, the network is intended to work with a 2 Mbps bandwith, not a 12 Mbps.

Yes ASIC are the issue, so whats devs should do ? Stop it, abandon the IoT ecosystem and delay Dero until they found a Polymorphic PoW algorithm that even FPGA will never ever reverse  ? (Yeah, because FPGA centralization will be an another issue too, soon)

Just change the algo... FPGA's have been around for a long time..., weird how the dero network was decentralized until asics. Also I have 100+ Mpbs… Not too long ago the Captain said he had the code to create an algo that will switch to over 100 different algos… Either he lied or wants asic centralization.
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Just change the algo... FPGA's have been around for a long time..., weird how the dero network was decentralized until asics. Also I have 100+ Mpbs… Not too long ago the Captain said he had the code to create an algo that will switch to over 100 different algos… Either he lied or wants asic centralization.

Doing a fork every week isn't viable long term solution, it will cost too much maintenance time. You have 100+ Mbps nice for you, unless you wanna bring crypto only for the 1%, I don't get your point. Once again that was before the announcement of the IoT network support. (IoT rely on fast cpu with fast memory cache and very low ram usage, so why CryptoNight was a perfect choice like PoW in first place)

Because of IoT support you can't use ProgPoW or Etash because it need a huge size of memory. How many coffee machine, do you think exist with just with more than one hundred MB of memory ? If you wanna figth Asic and FPGA you need some deterministic and Polymorphic PoW to avoid tons of useless fork.

The future will be in IoT (all the electronic industry destined for consumers is going toward it) and probably the current technology of miners will disappear replaced by some Inel/AMD/ARM chipset on motherboards, why do you think Captain still keep traveling to professional conference ?  (Dero is intended to be more adopted than current Bitcoin, if you can't see it, you are blind.)
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The features on this coin are amazing, but I share the same concern as many of the other members here regarding ASICs and FPGA mining.  Would love to see a plan in place for combating this and keeping it still miner friendly for the majority of us.
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Just change the algo... FPGA's have been around for a long time..., weird how the dero network was decentralized until asics. Also I have 100+ Mpbs… Not too long ago the Captain said he had the code to create an algo that will switch to over 100 different algos… Either he lied or wants asic centralization.

There is no such algo really anti-asic,GPU and CPU are ASICs too. As long as there is profit,ASIC will come.
If you understand this tech truth,you should not persist to something called anti-asic.Besides dero,many coin even hardfork twice and back to ASIC friendly POW,take ETN and sumokoin for reference.While Dero just stayed at cryptonight and avoid one more hardfork.

The most dangerous thing for centralized mining is 51% attack,while Dero is immune from  51% attack,so even stay at CryptoNight won't impact the network security.
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Just change the algo... FPGA's have been around for a long time..., weird how the dero network was decentralized until asics. Also I have 100+ Mpbs… Not too long ago the Captain said he had the code to create an algo that will switch to over 100 different algos… Either he lied or wants asic centralization.

Doing a fork every week isn't viable long term solution, it will cost too much maintenance time. You have 100+ Mbps nice for you, unless you wanna bring crypto only for the 1%, I don't get your point. Once again that was before the announcement of the IoT network support. (IoT rely on fast cpu with fast memory cache and very low ram usage, so why CryptoNight was a perfect choice like PoW in first place)

Because of IoT support you can't use ProgPoW or Etash because it need a huge size of memory. How many coffee machine, do you think exist with just with more than one hundred MB of memory ? If you wanna figth Asic and FPGA you need some deterministic and Polymorphic PoW to avoid tons of useless fork.

The future will be in IoT (all the electronic industry destined for consumers is going toward it) and probably the current technology of miners will disappear replaced by some Inel/AMD/ARM chipset on motherboards, why do you think Captain still keep traveling to professional conference ?  (Dero is intended to be more adopted than current Bitcoin, if you can't see it, you are blind.)

Why would you fork every week... No one said that. The captain claimed to have a polymorphic algo ready... apparently it wasn't true.

"IoT rely on fast cpu with fast memory cache and very low ram usage, so why CryptoNight was a perfect choice like PoW in first place"
Why wouldn't they use cryptonight light then? My smart watch and keurig are really nice... they can handle it, we can assume IoT devices will be advancing in tech as well...

Never heard of the Captain going to more than one conference... Where did you get this from? I have been here 8 months...

"(Dero is intended to be more adopted than current Bitcoin, if you can't see it, you are blind.)"
Come on dude, don't be delusional. I can't take you serious when you talk like that.
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Just change the algo... FPGA's have been around for a long time..., weird how the dero network was decentralized until asics. Also I have 100+ Mpbs… Not too long ago the Captain said he had the code to create an algo that will switch to over 100 different algos… Either he lied or wants asic centralization.

There is no such algo really anti-asic,GPU and CPU are ASICs too. As long as there is profit,ASIC will come.
If you understand this tech truth,you should not persist to something called anti-asic.Besides dero,many coin even hardfork twice and back to ASIC friendly POW,take ETN and sumokoin for reference.While Dero just stayed at cryptonight and avoid one more hardfork.

The most dangerous thing for centralized mining is 51% attack,while Dero is immune from  51% attack,so even stay at CryptoNight won't impact the network security.


How is Dero immune to a 51% attack? Please explain to me, I don't understand how Dero is immune to this.
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Just change the algo... FPGA's have been around for a long time..., weird how the dero network was decentralized until asics. Also I have 100+ Mpbs… Not too long ago the Captain said he had the code to create an algo that will switch to over 100 different algos… Either he lied or wants asic centralization.

There is no such algo really anti-asic,GPU and CPU are ASICs too. As long as there is profit,ASIC will come.
If you understand this tech truth,you should not persist to something called anti-asic.Besides dero,many coin even hardfork twice and back to ASIC friendly POW,take ETN and sumokoin for reference.While Dero just stayed at cryptonight and avoid one more hardfork.

The most dangerous thing for centralized mining is 51% attack,while Dero is immune from  51% attack,so even stay at CryptoNight won't impact the network security.


How is Dero immune to a 51% attack? Please explain to me, I don't understand how Dero is immune to this.

Dero is based on BlockDAG paradigm where the satoshi consensus has been modified : The longest chain isn't the rule anymore, so you can't have such thing like 51% attack.

More detail : https://blog.daglabs.com/an-introduction-to-the-blockdag-paradigm-50027f44facb
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Just change the algo... FPGA's have been around for a long time..., weird how the dero network was decentralized until asics. Also I have 100+ Mpbs… Not too long ago the Captain said he had the code to create an algo that will switch to over 100 different algos… Either he lied or wants asic centralization.

There is no such algo really anti-asic,GPU and CPU are ASICs too. As long as there is profit,ASIC will come.
If you understand this tech truth,you should not persist to something called anti-asic.Besides dero,many coin even hardfork twice and back to ASIC friendly POW,take ETN and sumokoin for reference.While Dero just stayed at cryptonight and avoid one more hardfork.

The most dangerous thing for centralized mining is 51% attack,while Dero is immune from  51% attack,so even stay at CryptoNight won't impact the network security.


How is Dero immune to a 51% attack? Please explain to me, I don't understand how Dero is immune to this.

Dero is based on BlockDAG paradigm where the satoshi consensus has been modified : The longest chain isn't the rule anymore, so you can't have such thing like 51% attack.

More detail : https://blog.daglabs.com/an-introduction-to-the-blockdag-paradigm-50027f44facb

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