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Author Topic: [ANN] DERO: DAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + SSL + POW + Smart Contracts  (Read 83660 times)
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July 20, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns

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Following the final one I was BANNED!

I thought things were going to be better after Mojo and Serena left.. but EVERYTHING is excatly the same.. Same lies, bans, and just manipulation cheating all around

I still have no answer to my question

What is the difference between the version lifetyper has and the one we are running on our home and work PCs and ran by exchanges? If only cleaning, why not publish the binaries for everyone NOW?
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July 20, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns

Following the final one I was BANNED!

I thought things were going to be better after Mojo and Serena left.. but EVERYTHING is excatly the same.. Same lies, bans, and just manipulation cheating all around

I still have no answer to my question

What is the difference between the version lifetyper has and the one we are running on our home and work PCs and ran by exchanges? If only cleaning, why not publish the binaries for everyone NOW?

You have been banned temporally because you kept asking same thing, again and again even when Captain respond directly.

You should really learn how Blockchain work before asking stupid question.

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July 20, 2018, 11:04:31 AM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns
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You were unbanned, and I just came down like a ton of bricks on the rest of DCAB for this. Your question about code versions was valid, but you continued to act like an ass and didn't seem to accept any of the answers given. So, I'm just going to put out here that there will be some people who won't be satisfied regardless of what is disclosed or changed and you seem like one of those people.

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July 20, 2018, 11:11:07 AM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns

Following the final one I was BANNED!

I thought things were going to be better after Mojo and Serena left.. but EVERYTHING is excatly the same.. Same lies, bans, and just manipulation cheating all around

I still have no answer to my question

What is the difference between the version lifetyper has and the one we are running on our home and work PCs and ran by exchanges? If only cleaning, why not publish the binaries for everyone NOW?

You have been banned temporally because you kept asking same thing, again and again even when Captain respond directly.

You should really learn how Blockchain work before asking stupid question.



Don't come calling me stupid you a**hole. I know how blockchain work better than you.

 I rejoined and will ask 1 exact question when timer ends. Will see if I get flooded or not, or if I will get an answer or not.

Also I am still banned from telegram

You are same as mojo and serena
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July 20, 2018, 11:21:53 AM
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And you will get the same response : code cleaning / refactoring.

If some major changes were present in the protocol, the Lifetyper build should be rejected by the mainnet.

The Blockchain works because everyone on the network use exactly the same protocol.
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July 20, 2018, 11:27:22 AM
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An you will get the same response : code cleaning / refactoring.

If some major changes were present in the protocol, the Lifetyper build should be rejected by the mainnet.

The Blockchain works because everyone on the network use exactly the same protocol.

Lifetyper is not mining..

I want to see it mining and have blocks accepted by network, and I want to see all network using that version

Cleaning/refactoring means that there's no problem releasing the binaries, then I get banned for asking so
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July 20, 2018, 11:32:47 AM
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Yeah sure, devs should produce binary every time they change the order of functions in the code, you are a genius.

Time to take your meds.
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July 20, 2018, 11:37:59 AM
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Yeah sure, devs should produce binary every time they change the order of functions in the code, you are a genius.

Time to take your meds.

Yes.. as long as changes are enough to call it a new version...

Or release code instead for people to compile themselves.. Do you even blockchain dude?
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July 20, 2018, 12:12:23 PM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns

















Following the final one I was BANNED!

I thought things were going to be better after Mojo and Serena left.. but EVERYTHING is excatly the same.. Same lies, bans, and just manipulation cheating all around

I still have no answer to my question

What is the difference between the version lifetyper has and the one we are running on our home and work PCs and ran by exchanges? If only cleaning, why not publish the binaries for everyone NOW?

Don't bother. one of the big reasons we left is the secrecy an manipulation even internally

Captain will do what he wants with no regards to anyone or anything
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July 20, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns

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Following the final one I was BANNED!

I thought things were going to be better after Mojo and Serena left.. but EVERYTHING is excatly the same.. Same lies, bans, and just manipulation cheating all around

I still have no answer to my question

What is the difference between the version lifetyper has and the one we are running on our home and work PCs and ran by exchanges? If only cleaning, why not publish the binaries for everyone NOW?

Don't bother. one of the big reasons we left is the secrecy an manipulation even internally

Captain will do what he wants with no regards to anyone or anything

Shut up! Because of you I'm 50% down. Why couldn't you just wait for pump and get rich fast instead of being poor and ugly with "principles".. Principles don't get money from your investments

Go have principles in charity not in crypto, you noob
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July 20, 2018, 12:37:01 PM
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Don't bother. one of the big reasons we left is the secrecy an manipulation even internally

Captain will do what he wants with no regards to anyone or anything

Shut up! Because of you I'm 50% down. Why couldn't you just wait for pump and get rich fast instead of being poor and ugly with "principles".. Principles don't get money from your investments

Go have principles in charity not in crypto, you noob

Lol...

Okay, FWIW, CryptoJohnSmith, I have been arguing heavily in favor of releasing the source code for the version of Atlantis which has been out for ~1 month. CaptDero is not available at the moment (traveling, I believe) so give him a few hours, alright?

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July 20, 2018, 03:03:28 PM
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I have been arguing heavily in favor of releasing the source code for the version of Atlantis which has been out for ~1 month.

The repo should have all the history, going back to the last public derosuite commit; it would be highly suspicious for that not to be the case. But if it does not, then expect the questions and demands for sources to persist. And, skepticism may well persist regardless, and justifiably so, since unlike in blockchain, it is possible to rewrite history in git.

Let this serve as a lesson for other devs, about closing sources, even for awhile; open source in the crypto space is not about free software, it is about trust; you can trust the code, and/or you can trust the dev, but without fully open code, you are reduced to the latter. That is to say, the question is not about open source, but about open development.
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July 20, 2018, 05:55:51 PM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns


Following the final one I was BANNED!

I thought things were going to be better after Mojo and Serena left.. but EVERYTHING is excatly the same.. Same lies, bans, and just manipulation cheating all around

I still have no answer to my question

What is the difference between the version lifetyper has and the one we are running on our home and work PCs and ran by exchanges? If only cleaning, why not publish the binaries for everyone NOW?

Don't bother. one of the big reasons we left is the secrecy an manipulation even internally

Captain will do what he wants with no regards to anyone or anything

What's not mentioned is that the ban lasted maybe 5 minutes.

DERO - Secure. Private. Smart Contracts.
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July 20, 2018, 11:37:26 PM
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I have been arguing heavily in favor of releasing the source code for the version of Atlantis which has been out for ~1 month.

The repo should have all the history, going back to the last public derosuite commit; it would be highly suspicious for that not to be the case. But if it does not, then expect the questions and demands for sources to persist. And, skepticism may well persist regardless, and justifiably so, since unlike in blockchain, it is possible to rewrite history in git.

Let this serve as a lesson for other devs, about closing sources, even for awhile; open source in the crypto space is not about free software, it is about trust; you can trust the code, and/or you can trust the dev, but without fully open code, you are reduced to the latter. That is to say, the question is not about open source, but about open development.

You are wrong.

Open Source means you can check if anything suspicious is hidden and you can still propose modification but at the end your commits will be review by lead dev(s) in charge of project and of course they could be discarded.

When you submit modification to the Linux kernel, at the end is Linus Torvalds that give the approval to your proposition(s).

An other example : Quake 3 is a game product with Open Source like every product from ID Software, but that doesn't mean you could copy/fork the source even partially for your commercial project.

When you fork a Crypto project is always for commercial use even if you have intention to distribute your coins for free.
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July 21, 2018, 01:08:06 AM
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I have been arguing heavily in favor of releasing the source code for the version of Atlantis which has been out for ~1 month.

The repo should have all the history, going back to the last public derosuite commit; it would be highly suspicious for that not to be the case. But if it does not, then expect the questions and demands for sources to persist. And, skepticism may well persist regardless, and justifiably so, since unlike in blockchain, it is possible to rewrite history in git.

Let this serve as a lesson for other devs, about closing sources, even for awhile; open source in the crypto space is not about free software, it is about trust; you can trust the code, and/or you can trust the dev, but without fully open code, you are reduced to the latter. That is to say, the question is not about open source, but about open development.

You are wrong.

Open Source means you can check if anything suspicious is hidden and you can still propose modification but at the end your commits will be review by lead dev(s) in charge of project and of course they could be discarded.

When you submit modification to the Linux kernel, at the end is Linus Torvalds that give the approval to your proposition(s).

An other example : Quake 3 is a game product with Open Source like every product from ID Software, but that doesn't mean you could copy/fork the source even partially for your commercial project.

When you fork a Crypto project is always for commercial use even if you have intention to distribute your coins for free.

You say I'm wrong, but then go off on tangents and don't address my main point.

I don't care about your definition of open source when what we are talking about is people using software to replace the function of having a bank account. If, when the public is finally able to inspect the dero source, we find gaps in the history, then that will be a problem, because some code has been running on mainnet all this time. And I think it odd that you would push back on the idea of people to be able to verify what has been running.

It truly is one of those occasions where, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. And it is especially strange for this to even be a question, when we are talking about superseded code, only needed to verify how the software worked during its closed-source period. I really have trouble understanding how someone could argue against this.

And this has nothing to do with whether linus will merge your pull request; ironic example that, since if so, you can go ahead and fork your own version of linux. If the reason it was necessary turns out to be that linus has become toxic to the project, then it may be the community will eventually eject him, perhaps by this very mechanism.
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July 21, 2018, 06:59:45 AM
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Dero is still an unsfinished project in alpha stage and you want use it like a bank system ? Come back in some years when everything will be stable with 0 risks and truly Open Source.
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July 21, 2018, 07:46:11 AM
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Do you need the source code of your bank before you can have expectations of how it works?  Much more important than the source is the protocol, and CryptoNote is widely documented.  The DAG structure and P2P interface will soon be public.  Then you can implement your own daemon that doesn't use the DERO canonical source code, and run it on the network.  It is decentralized, and every coin is verifiable back to the genesis block.  You don't need the source, or its history, to understand or participate in the network, if you have protocol documentation and an understanding of the crypto.
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July 21, 2018, 09:30:11 AM
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So I just created an account here because I was banned from dero discord and telegram for asking real questions carrying real concerns

Following the final one I was BANNED!

I thought things were going to be better after Mojo and Serena left.. but EVERYTHING is excatly the same.. Same lies, bans, and just manipulation cheating all around

I still have no answer to my question

What is the difference between the version lifetyper has and the one we are running on our home and work PCs and ran by exchanges? If only cleaning, why not publish the binaries for everyone NOW?

Don't bother. one of the big reasons we left is the secrecy an manipulation even internally

Captain will do what he wants with no regards to anyone or anything


TO MOJO AND SERENA AND OTHER STUPID NOOBS


SOME EXT DEVELOPERS OPINION:


Zoz - Today at 09:58
Hello everyone.
I had access to the source code.
I do not have enough experience to judge the cryptography part.
However I can confirm that this is a complete rewrite and not a copy / paste by just changing the language.
The code is very clear, well commented.
The other developers will give you a more accurate feedback.


ArqTras [ArQmA] - Today at 11:14
Hi , at first view I can't see anything wrong with the source that some ppl can suspect.
Wallet, daemon, p2p, rpc and cryptonote code looks very clear.
As @Zoz  write  code is well commented. My sugesstion - if team decide to relase it to public, sign version by commit number + gpg
That solution should give opprtunity to verify allowed version on mainnet.
Sinse there r precompiled version You should trust Dero developer team, decision about publication source its up to devs.
For more details and feedback I need much more time.(modificato)


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July 21, 2018, 09:40:32 AM
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We have been getting a lot of people asking us where to buy/sell Dero. Currently, Dero is trading on Stocks.Exchange (https://bit.ly/2mwZo6P) and TradeOgre.com (https://bit.ly/2JE8eZy), with more exchanges on the way. Please feel free to reach out to the Dero team or DCAB with any questions.

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July 21, 2018, 12:03:57 PM
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Dero is still an unsfinished project in alpha stage and you want use it like a bank system ? Come back in some years when everything will be stable with 0 risks and truly Open Source.

You are missing the point yet again, while simultaneously demonstrating that you have about zero understanding of blockchain.


Do you need the source code of your bank before you can have expectations of how it works?  Much more important than the source is the protocol, and CryptoNote is widely documented.  The DAG structure and P2P interface will soon be public.  Then you can implement your own daemon that doesn't use the DERO canonical source code, and run it on the network.  It is decentralized, and every coin is verifiable back to the genesis block.  You don't need the source, or its history, to understand or participate in the network, if you have protocol documentation and an understanding of the crypto.

Your bank is a highly-regulated business, with clear and public identity, and fiduciary responsibility fully subject to law; its ledgers, irrespective of the software used to create and maintain them, are fully auditable going back as far as the law may require. Cryptonote, on the other hand, contrary to what captain is fond of suggesting, and contrary to what you blindly repeat above, was expressly designed to be opaque; you can know only the inputs and outputs for wallets to which you hold the keys. All transactions, and even their amounts in the case of RingCT, are opaque when viewing the public blockchain. It is only with full historical sources, therefore, that one can prove coins have not been minted out of thin air at any given point.
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