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Author Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s  (Read 864408 times)
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November 14, 2013, 03:23:14 AM
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No, you sound ridiculous,  because all you are doing is stating the obvious. No shit, crap can go wrong. Fucking got a cookie for you right here for that mind blowing financial risk management advice.

The point that you are missing is that they said everything was on schedule a month from shipment. Then they say the substrate was the problem. In reality, they didn't even have the wafers yet!

Telling us to stop bitching about it, when we have full right to be mad about being lied to makes you ridiculous.


then get a refund..  demand it..  go and bang on their door

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November 14, 2013, 03:27:16 AM
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then get a refund..  demand it..  go and bang on their door

I requested a refund last Sunday. No response. They won't even confirm receipt of my request. Will call them tomorrow.
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November 14, 2013, 03:51:15 AM
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Thanks. KnC did fabrication from chips-in-hand to ready boards in a single day, HF announced it needs a week maximum. Add a week to your calculation and we get a realistic possible delivery date at the end of this month + add the substrate waiting time.

HF ≠ KNC. Delivery will be in January 2014 if everything goes smooth.  If not, delivery will be closer to BFL time scales.
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November 14, 2013, 07:41:20 AM
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HASHFAST !!!! PLEASE AN UPDATE !!! Embarrassed Angry
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November 14, 2013, 08:04:39 AM
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It seems that not even the mods, who apparently deleted it, got my wafer receipt joke.

When I was boy going to Sunday school, they taught me to kneel down to receive wafers.  


I caught it..  it was funny

and the Ponies pic was hilarious..  I couldn't stop laughing and they removed them yet they let 1000 pages of bs on the KNC thread

there is some serious hate towards KNC from this forum.   Remember when KNC hashed their first miner for a few days and a mod made a thread to slam 'greedy companies that mine for themselves instead of shipping to customers?'

it was one miner...


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November 14, 2013, 08:14:10 AM
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Hi all,

Here is a picture of Eduardo deCastro, CEO, receiving the wafers!





Cheers,

HashFast Team


It seems that not even the mods, who apparently deleted it, got my wafer receipt joke.

When I was boy going to Sunday school, they taught me to kneel down to receive wafers.  


Ok , lets forget the ponies picture , which was kind of funny..
Can somebody explain why that tridimensional package looks like an elephant stomped on those ?

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November 14, 2013, 08:45:56 AM
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ohh god, this guy is obviously so fucking important. american smile, non-stop wearing of his mighty blue-tooth headset, suit and in hand some strange package in grey plastic blister.

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November 14, 2013, 09:05:41 AM
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This is going to be bad.
It is going to be a long 6 weeks waiting....    Now I know why the KNC thread is 1200 pages.

I'm seriously interested if someone who did this wafer-to-chip business for a living can estimate how long it takes to do it in California. Amazing how much spam and few usable info is in this thread, a day has passed since this picture is published and not single one trustworthy estimate is posted.

I haven't been in the industry for almost 20 years but here is my take, the time for packaging depends on the complexity of the package, the number of dies/wafers but it shouldn't take more than 7-10 days.  CA shouldn't be any slower than anywhere in the world.  Probably more expensive than China but not any slower.  

However my understanding is the substrate which is a component in the packaging is delayed so you can cut the wafers into dies but you can't "assemble" those dies into complete chips until you have the substrates. The packing house provides the "labor" (using expensive IC equipment) to cut wafers into dies and assemble them onto substrates, do all the internal wiring, and attach a heat spreader.  

Essentially:  fabricated wafers + substrates + other minor components + services of packaging house = final chips.

Thanks. KnC did fabrication from chips-in-hand to ready boards in a single day, HF announced it needs a week maximum. Add a week to your calculation and we get a realistic possible delivery date at the end of this month + add the substrate waiting time.

KnC would have had their substrates ready to go. Also, they had way more time between when they started taking orders and their deadline, which they missed by deadline by 4-15 days (which caused me to lose a bitbet, although my Saturn has covered that so far - a Saturn that was delivered about 15 days earlier then they'd promised I'd get it Smiley  

Oh, and they weren't scumbag scammers. That helped.

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November 14, 2013, 07:24:31 PM
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Is there any topic about hashfast 1200GH/s ?
I have ordered one today and would like to find out if there are others who did so. January delivery; hope they will be able to keep their word.

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November 14, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
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Is there any topic about hashfast 1200GH/s ?
I have ordered one today and would like to find out if there are others who did so. January delivery; hope they will be able to keep their word.

Sorry but the first batch is expected to be shipping in mid December IF everything goes well. They have not said a word of the next batches , but I personally think that we could consider ourselfs "lucky" if we got our first rigs in late December



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November 14, 2013, 10:02:05 PM
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Is there any topic about hashfast 1200GH/s ?
I have ordered one today and would like to find out if there are others who did so. January delivery; hope they will be able to keep their word.
Sorry but the first batch is expected to be shipping in mid December IF everything goes well. They have not said a word of the next batches , but I personally think that we could consider ourselfs "lucky" if we got our first rigs in late December

It seems that ASIC manufacturers make much more money that the miners!!
Why should they ALL ask for our money in front?! To do business with our money? That's the worst way to develop a business!
I am waiting for their telephone to confirm the delivery, otherwise will not pay for the order placed.
Let see what happens...

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November 14, 2013, 10:11:05 PM
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Is there any topic about hashfast 1200GH/s ?
I have ordered one today and would like to find out if there are others who did so. January delivery; hope they will be able to keep their word.

Well they promised us October 20th-30th deliveries..
said that that everything was on track...
Waited until Ocotober 23rd to announce delays..
they blamed it on the substrate and said everything else was on track which turns out is a lie since they are only now getting the wafers..
said the new estimated ship date was mid-november..
and then just recently announced that it was more like mid-December.

They have lied to us and I see no reason why they wouldn't lie to you.
Do not pay for your order and run away now while you still can.
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November 14, 2013, 10:19:20 PM
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It seems that ASIC manufacturers make much more money that the miners!!
Why should they ALL ask for our money in front?! To do business with our money? That's the worst way to develop a business!
I am waiting for their telephone to confirm the delivery, otherwise will not pay for the order placed.
Let see what happens...

Yeah its a really bad way to do business, but its like that  Embarrassed

By the way, they will tell you that everything is under schedule and as planned as they did to us back at October when they did not even expect the wafers to be shipped until a week ago.
Do not trust on HF words. They will tell you all you wanted to listen until you are in. Once you are in, say bye bye to any kind of contact or suggestion. These days they did not even answer to the emails and the same for Josh at skype.

Run away now that you can !

If you wanted a real estimated shipping date look at their terms of sale. Until that limit date they will take your money and do whatever they want. We will tell you what happens when that date comes close what is their next brilliant movement



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November 14, 2013, 11:02:20 PM
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Just saw this in the product spec of the sierra and BJ:

At the wall, this unit consumes 1 watt per gigahash +/- 20%

Is that new? The chips where supposed to achieve 0.65GH/W. From there to 1GH/W at the wall seems a big difference to account for inefficiencies and cooling..
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November 14, 2013, 11:07:44 PM
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1W/GH is the number that John throw at me long time ago. 0.65*1.1*1.1 = 0.8, round that to the excess and you are almost there.

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November 14, 2013, 11:16:57 PM
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Just saw this in the product spec of the sierra and BJ:

At the wall, this unit consumes 1 watt per gigahash +/- 20%

Is that new? The chips where supposed to achieve 0.65GH/W. From there to 1GH/W at the wall seems a big difference to account for inefficiencies and cooling..

Chip efficiency is often not the whole story.  You are looking at 10% inefficiency (12%-13% probably more realistic under real world conditions) in DC regulator and another 10% for the ATX PSU.

So if chip is 0.65 J/GH @ 1VDC then the entire board is ~0.74 J/GH @ 12VDC.   @ 400 GH/s nominal that is 295W.  Now add on two probably 6W fans per radiator and you are looking at 307W per board.   On sierra we know there are two exhaust fans.   So 307W*3 + 12W = 933W @ 12VDC.  Throw in 90% efficient PSU and that is 933W/0.9 = 1036W at the wall.   1013/1200 = 0.87 J/GH.  

HashFast has stated they believe the boards can be faster possibly 500 GH/s.   To push the clock that high may require a higher nominal voltage.   Power usage for silicon scales linear with the clock (no change in J/GH) but scales by the square of the voltage.  So say it requires 10% higher voltage that would be 21% higher power consumption.  0.87 * 1.21 ~ 1.1 J/GH.

Since HashFast doesn't yet know what the final clock and voltage will be the 1 W per GH/s makes sense.  My total guess is that if the chips end up closer to 400 GH/s without much headroom they will run it at a lower nominal voltage and higher efficiency.  If the chips show more potential performance they will run them at a higher nominal voltage and lower efficiency. 

Just my opinion got no inside info or anything like that.  
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November 14, 2013, 11:23:44 PM
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ohh god, this guy is obviously so fucking important. american smile, non-stop wearing of his mighty blue-tooth headset, suit and in hand some strange package in grey plastic blister.

love this kind of updates.)

That (non-American) man is smiling because he is holding the result of thousands of hours and bitcoins worth of effort, in the form of the world's first true 3rd gen ASICs.

His pride and joy is completely deserved.

I'm glad he's wearing a hands-free device because he's obviously extremely busy coordinating all the aspects of building our mining hardware ASAP.

We don't want him driving around holding a phone to his ear, or missing important calls while fumbling for his cell.

Haven't you ever been proud of an outstanding accomplishment?

Your hatred and contempt for the rational exuberance associated with demonstrated productive capacity makes me think you are perhaps what Ayn Rand called moochers, looters, and second-handers.


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November 14, 2013, 11:31:29 PM
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His pride and joy is completely deserved. He stole millions of dollars promising a delivery date he knew he couldn't met and now he is gonna mine with their customer's hardware.
I Agree.

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Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
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November 14, 2013, 11:46:43 PM
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His pride and joy is completely deserved.  Let everyone enjoy the taste of cedavid and other moocher's salty tears as they weep with rage, shame, and jealousy over the accomplishments of their 16-hour day working superiors.
Cry  I Agree.   Cry

There.  Fixed.


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November 14, 2013, 11:52:20 PM
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Personal attacks = ages olds technique. Doesn't really even fit in.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
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Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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