Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[sorehammer]

Will the existing compensation offer hardware also be in the Monday shipment or do we have to wait till they come up with a new offer.

[bobsag3]

Will the existing compensation offer hardware also be in the Monday shipment or do we have to wait till they come up with a new offer.

As far as I have been told, only the original hardware. I should have a concrete answer later this week.

[sorehammer]

At least you didn't say next week

[CryptoGuy]

At least I'm in the "A" group 

[bobsag3]

At least I'm in the "A" group 

Its not really a group, just a add on we use to fix Shopify orders that messes with the number system for some reason. We have some order XXXXD's for example lol.

[CryptoGuy]

At least I'm in the "A" group  

Its not really a group, just a add on we use to fix Shopify orders that messes with the number system for some reason. We have some order XXXXD's for example lol.

I'm just going by the information you provided.

I assume your order is one of the ones ending in "A" ? If so your order would go out with the rest on Monday

[sorehammer]

At least I'm in the "A" group 

Its not really a group, just a add on we use to fix Shopify orders that messes with the number system for some reason. We have some order XXXXD's for example lol.

What about double D's got any of thoses

[Dot99lr]

Hopefully it's the last 'next week' for x-1s, now let's get a move on for the x-3s

[primer10]

[Feb 2015]

One year has passed since the promised delivery date...

[Hillbilly]

ohh shit guys ...

4TH deliverd in july (2x X3s) will not make much more than 6 btc in 3 months !!
You know what this means?

NO profit for us, just profit for BA ...

were so fucked at the moment ... thanks to this shitty company, what a bunch of assholes
need to know what is the new compensation plan asap, i'm starting loosing my head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY

^ This

I am really glad I decided to only purchase an X-1 rather that X-3 until I saw how things went. Difficulty has all but doubled since I ordered and 100 Gh/s is never going to return 400$. Waiting to see what compensation will do to remedy this. ( I also believe in Santa Claus and Batman)

[sorehammer]

kingcolex that would do me fine.

[gamer4156]

I called in to see if I could Pick up my X-1 from MS and was told that they are out of stock and will be getting more in on monday.

[sorehammer]

kingcolex that would do me fine.

It would me to, but lets see what they end up deciding on, honestly i don't expect ANYTHING lower than 100% but it should definitely be 200% (as an x2 would probably be close on price for them to manufactor (no lcd, have all inhouse parts just a throw together and go))

That would be too easy though

[sorehammer]

lol plus send you a few extra units to do and send on to other customers

[tempestb]

There's some evidence of what is really going on here from the ecointalk forum. They're "working" on 14nm, which basically confirms that we are exactly in the position of 55nm BFL customers waiting for delivery via a Ponzi on Monarch orders. Expect the compensation to only happen after preorders for the next project to open up.

If they intend to fund a 14nm (is that even available yet?) chip they are going to struggle considering their track record.  They would have to produce AMAZING compensation to show the world that they won't get screwed if they preorder with Black Arrow.  

The only reason BFL was able to get initial Monarch preorders was that the 55nm miners were so late, and shipping was so slow that folks felt they wouldn't get their money back by the time they got their miner, so they went to the front of the line on the now "very late" Monarchs.  They didn't foresee the sudden rise in Bitcoin value that at least allowed the 55nm line to make back the Fiat people spent rather than the Bitcoins.  Those people must feel completely depressed about how much they've lost out trusting them twice.

And like Black Arrow, they forecast completely unrealistic release dates to gather as many preorders as possible.

[ernie-]

Fine with me, i will get out of the scam as soon as possible from now on im on a strict NO PREORDERS rule.

I wish more people would stop pre-ordering. It's fueling one of the worst behaved industries I have ever seen. There is a class action going against Cointerra atm.

http://www.coindesk.com/cointerra-mediation-class-action-lawsuit/

Most of the ASIC manufacturers have failed to deliver on their pre-order promises. This type of funding is bad for all, and should stop. Other industries rely on venture capital with strict controls not pre-orders.

[david105396]

tempestb I really doubt that BFL which produce the first melting PCIE board in the world can ever produce energy efficient HW.

Speaking about X1 ; david said that heatsink is not so hot at the touch, and all people read the internal chip temperature near 80°C. Heatsink with heatpipes should be very efficient to transfer heat, so deltaT between chip & exaust air shoul be very low. Is termal paste applied correctly???

Reading Bob's mesures what I think is this:

1 - More than 120Gh @ under 120W is good, cause freq can be adjust between 1200 Mhz and 800 Mhz, it seems like BA choose to deliver all hardware OC by default (correct me if I worng).

2 - If we get less than 1 W/Gh in max freq state, there must be room to improve it in lower speed states, but doing it for the moment dosen't seems to increase efficiency significantly.

3 - Possible cause. Chip + power regulators have better dynamic power dissipation than static power dissipation which is good, and this could be why errors increase lowering frequency ( makeing this, chip is forced to pass more time where it dosen't like - especially if it is hot )

Fixes - try anything possible to cool more chip ( this will be good for efficiency & stability at any state ).
        - control voltages (Bob said on ecoin that this will be possible, I suggest david to write this in firsts order on the work to do list for programmers, cause achieving for example 0,7 W/Gh will seriously impove BA situation ).

Bob (or anyone else) , is there any drop in temperatures when you run @ 1000Mhz or lower

I dont think the software based temp sensors, or their software is not working. Our X1s report either 0, 60 or 80c, nothing else.

Clocking to 800mhz only drops the speed, does not seem to impact power consumption all that much. Seems the sweet spot is 1000-1100mhz.

I didn't said sw is not working, only suggest BA implement voltage controls as fast as they can (I see temperatures only HW related)   .  The fact that 800Mhz drops only speed, fully support my thesis.
Would be a shame we can't acieve the better energy consumption only for those little details  

Sry ninjaboon but I see this as a general X1 topic and I don't want to make bob and david start to loose time jumping along btctalk. Those detalis could be usefull of every X1 future older too.  

The chip can still be tuned and tweaked. The thermal paste is applied properly and does its job well. While I was working on my X-1 I got it running but forgot I didn't have the fan on it. The heatsink and thermal paste work very well .

[btct22]

Where the hell are the X-1's for people that bought direct from BA    ohh we can make 20000 units a day they said..  we're ahead of schedule they said in f'ing nov/dec .. argh!!!

[david105396]

There's some evidence of what is really going on here from the ecointalk forum. They're "working" on 14nm, which basically confirms that we are exactly in the position of 55nm BFL customers waiting for delivery via a Ponzi on Monarch orders. Expect the compensation to only happen after preorders for the next project to open up.

It was already said back in November and is public knowledge. Nothing new.
https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/35/0/what-are-black-arrow-plans-for-the-future-are-you-developing-new-devices

[nexus99]

I called in to see if I could Pick up my X-1 from MS and was told that they are out of stock and will be getting more in on monday.

That's good news. I am waiting on 5 more units...